I am getting into  this thread very late, but ....Yep   I dont like the look of Alyson -

I totally agree with TZORG  I would love an updated Sydney - I'm a big fan.

BTW  I think perhaps this image for Poser8  might be a preliminary  image - kind of maybe rushed for this New Orleans trade show.

This quality render and image  CANNOT  be  what  SM  will have as the final image.

and uh -oh....scanning through this massive thread I saw a link  to  SM's  listing of the new P8 features  and.....I think ....
I will have to  upgrade to p8!

Quote - Hmmm, I suppose one could also use magnets to flex muscle groups. Do magnets work across material zones?

They can, yes.

Quote - considering other new features, could the falloff zones or the shape of the joint capsule distort the mesh to simulate muscle flexing/relaxing?

Possibly.

Of more interest to me ... will the multiple-falloff-zone and capsule-falloff-zone options also be available on magnets?

Be carefull what you wish for ...:)

Heres the SA kitty from P7 in one of the new P8 sci-fi room models.
Rendered on an Atari ST....

These are the System requirements that I have read.
Once again,please do not hold my feet to the fire here.

Windows XP or Vista
700 MHz Pentium class or compatible (1GHz or faster recommended)
512 MB system RAM (1 GB or more recommended)
OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset recommended • (recent NVIDIA GeForce and ATI Radeon preferred)
24-bit color display, 1024 x 768 resolution
2 GB free hard disk space (4 GB recommended)

Macintosh
Mac OS X 10.4 or 10.5
700 MHz G4 processor (Intel Core Duo or 1GHz G4 or faster • recommended)
512 MB system RAM (1 GB or more recommended)
OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset recommended • (recent NVIDIA GeForce and ATI Radeon preferred)
24-bit color display, 1024 x 768 resolution
2 GB free hard disk space (4 GB recommended)

Be very careful Mrsparky, PixelWarrior has set his Mecha Robot free and he is One BIG Dude in a very mean mood.

DR

Quote - pjz99 wrote...*Needs some reference to cat pictures...

• -Timberwolf- wrote so hungry for more screenshots.

Be carefull what you wish for ...:)

Heres the SA kitty from P7 in one of the new P8 sci-fi room models.
Rendered on an Atari ST....

Apart from staring in awe at the lighting, I get weak knees for the cuteness of this picture. :wub:

Quote - :0) - Your SF Rooms are fantastic mrsparky.

Be very careful Mrsparky, PixelWarrior has set his Mecha Robot free and he is One BIG Dude in a very mean mood.

DR

Now THAT is a funny picture!

I'm glad you liked the mecha :-)

Quote - pjz99 wrote...*Needs some reference to cat pictures...

• -Timberwolf- wrote so hungry for more screenshots.

Be carefull what you wish for ...:)

Heres the SA kitty from P7 in one of the new P8 sci-fi room models.
Rendered on an Atari ST....

Atari ST??? You're kidding, right?

Quote - these are the System requirements that I have read.
Once again,please do not hold my feet to the fire here.

Windows XP or Vista
700 MHz Pentium class or compatible (1GHz or faster recommended)
512 MB system RAM (1 GB or more recommended)
OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset recommended • (recent NVIDIA GeForce and ATI Radeon preferred)
24-bit color display, 1024 x 768 resolution
2 GB free hard disk space (4 GB recommended)

Macintosh
Mac OS X 10.4 or 10.5
700 MHz G4 processor (Intel Core Duo or 1GHz G4 or faster • recommended)
512 MB system RAM (1 GB or more recommended)
OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset recommended • (recent NVIDIA GeForce and ATI Radeon preferred)
24-bit color display, 1024 x 768 resolution
2 GB free hard disk space (4 GB recommended)

Those have been the requirements since Poser 5 or so and we all know that doesn't cut it anymore. Have fun running P8 on your 700Mhz PIII with 512MB of Ram...... They should really update these specs and not try to sell people such crap.

 Those would be the MINIMUM system requirements to run Poser. I had to call in to Tech support back when P4 first came out and I found out I needed much more RAM than I had, even though I had enough to launch the program and make it work. I had to use Apple's Virtual memory to compensate until I could upgrade.

OK, after slogging through numerous pages and not finding the information---does ANYONE have a clue when it's going to be out? And if Poser Pro is going to 8--if so, when? At this point, that's all the info I need.  :) Thanks!

Quote - OK, after slogging through numerous pages and not finding the information---does ANYONE have a clue when it's going to be out? And if Poser Pro is going to 8--if so, when? At this point, that's all the info I need.  :) Thanks!

No one knows when it will be released.  The only 'clue' is that SM is showing it at SIGGRAPH, which is next week.  That does not mean it will be released then, though.

As to Poser Pro, it will be Poser Pro 2; as it is a totally separate product line.  Again, there hasn't been any rumors of it yet; so i would guess sometime next year.  On a side note, I wish they would call the new Poser Pro with an 8 so we would know at a glance which Poser version it is most like, so to speak.

Yeah, that Poser Pro designation has people asking me if I'm still using Poser 4, which is weird...especially since I never used Poser 4... but thanks for the info...I knew they were showing at SIGGRAPH, but was hoping they would maybe stop playing these grade school hide and seek games and just give us some information already... I hate when a company treats me like I'm 5. The release of Poser 6 was the worst I've seen in a long time, though. They think it's building anticipation---I thought it was insulting.

Going back a few pages a question has just occurred to me, the glowing textures, are they specific textures or are they settings that can be added to any texture?

I don't know how to respond (phrasing wise) to things like this without somebody getting insulted. Sigh.

The decision to announce a shipping date depends on many factors. I don't know what the situation is, but since I'm not in grade school and actually write software for a living, I can guess at the possibilities.

One interpretation is that they know exactly when it is shipping, all bugs are known to be dealt with, all CD's and manuals are ready and they are just trying to annoy you.  This would automatically piss people off.

Another interpretation is that they are still working on things and do not want to ship a product on some arbitrary day just because it is time to ship. This would automatically piss people off.

Another interpretation is that factors outside their control having to do with production runs of CD's and manuals make them unable to identify the ship date, and it might be missed even if the software is ready. This would automatically piss people off.

In other words, because of your attitudes and predispositions, you are pissed off, and label every decision or process or plan as "grade school".  No matter what the state of the real universe, you will complain that the universe is not ideal and it is the vendor's fault. You have also determined that whining about it does not make you look like an ass, but rather embarasses the vendor into doing what you want.

Quote - Going back a few pages a question has just occurred to me, the glowing textures, are they specific textures or are they settings that can be added to any texture?

Any polygon that isn't black lights other polgyons. It doesn't matter why it lights them. It could be because it is lit by a light. It could be that it has a hard-coded ambient color. Either way, it is included in the general lighting.

My environment sphere is self-lit, using a photo to determine the color of every pixel. Therefore, it lights the scene, as long as something doesn't get in the way.

A rectangle with an "Exit" sign in ambient red also lights the scene. Nothing special about it.

Also, on the whining, saying "give us some information already" implies there has not been some information already. This is the same as saying there has been no information given.

I also saw some blowhard at the DAZ forums claim I have provided no meaningful information, mostly because my ego gets in the way.

Hundreds of postings made by beta testers and actual developers of the product. The complete list of new features and lots of images on the official Poser 8 site. The announcement page at RDNA.

Facts, people. Deal in facts.

Oh. Excuse me for WHINING. I was just saying, I was HOPING they weren't going to be playing any games. I think you took this way more personal than it was meant. If they're advertising, they should have an idea of when they'll be shipping. Even a ballpark estimate would be better than no information at all. Pissing people off a hobby or a habit of yours?

Facts were all I was asking for. I went through as many pages as I had time to dink around with before asking the question. So...whatever. Thanks for deigning to drop those facts on me. That's all I wanted to know.

oy vey. who's taking it personal again?

I wasn't aware that calling something "grade school" was a compliment, or a well informed position to take that yields results.

You have your opinion and have stated it. My opinion is that you're whining, and that doing so serves no purpose. It doesn't appear that you can get what you want, and for good reason in my opinion. So if you complain about it under those circumstances, that's whining.

Also, I didn't take it personally. Why should I? What made you think I did?

If you say that cows can fly, and I point out that you seem to be ignoring obvious facts, how is that in any way an indication that I took it personally?

Just as you felt it was your right to inform everybody reading this forum that SM deserve some negative commentary, because somebody had to, so too did I feel it was my right to inform everybody reading this forum that you deserve some negative commentary, because somebody had to. It had nothing to do with me, or you+me.

Also, I'm not the least bit pissed, but you clearly are. Control your emotions - they reveal you to others.

Hey, gypsyangel. Your gallery is excellent. (I'm not being sarcastic.)

Alsyon is not a stripper or a super model. We have a few figures for that, and I know of a new one under development that will knock you over, so I think we're covered there.

Given how many people I've seen asking for normal everyday characters and clothing, I think some people will find this figure a very welcome addition to their library.

Nice render, BB.

I'm automatically p*sssed off that I don't have her yet... :lol:

Quote - Also, on the whining, saying "give us some information already" implies there has not been some information already. This is the same as saying there has been no information given.

I also saw some blowhard at the DAZ forums claim I have provided no meaningful information, mostly because my ego gets in the way.

Hundreds of postings made by beta testers and actual developers of the product. The complete list of new features and lots of images on the official Poser 8 site. The announcement page at RDNA.

Facts, people. Deal in facts.

Facts? We all know that  there aren't hundred of posts by beta testers and for sure not by the actual developers of the product. The developers are keeping their mouths shut and all the majority of beta testers are telling us they're under a NDA and cannot spill anything. The official Poser 8 site does carry good info on Poser 8, that's sure, but those hundreds of posts are most likely in a restricted forum where we cannot access them. The announcement page doesn't add much either.

The only one really talking is you and by going what SM presents now, I wonder where some of the 'facts' about P8 you presented to all of us have suddenly gone.

I must have missed the link to the official Poser 8 site? Could someone please repost the link?

poser8.smithmicro.com/index.html

Aeilkema, please calm down. You're attempting to contradict me, but you clearly don't know the names and roles of people who have been posting here, at DAZ forums, and at RDNA forums.

I hope being right isn't important to you, because you're not. The easiest way to avoid demonstrating your lack of knowledge is to stay quiet. Just a tip.

Please don't demand that I actually have to count up the postings to prove that there are at least 200. You're simply wrong and almost don't deserve an answer, but I'll give you one. I'm not referring to postings in private developer forums.

Here are a few examples I can think of off the top of my head. This is not a complete list, nor am I going to spend a lot of time assembling one just to defend myself. And I'm certainly not going to assemble a bunch of links to threads. This non-issue doesn't deserve that much of my time.

I am a Poser 8 software developer (library GUI, search, and favorites). (I'm not an employee - I am a consulting engineer and Poser user.) Stewer is a Poser 8 software developer (rendering engine). PhilC is a Poser 8 developer (plugins). Semidieu is a Poser 8 developer (plugins).

DarkEdge is a Poser 8 content developer. Manoloz is a Poser 8 content developer. Dead_Reckoning (aka Mariner) is a tester and maybe he developed some content, I don't know. He's listed as a Poser 8 content developer in the credits. JHoagland is a Poser 8 content developer. Mrsparky is a Poser 8 content developer.

All of these people have been posting facts about Poser 8 since they were released from their NDA. There are a number of other beta testers who have been posting specific answers to questions. I'm not going to hunt them all down and list them.

I alone have posted hundreds of times on the subject of Poser 8, and for a while only I was allowed to give any specifics. I was released from the NDA weeks and weeks ago. This also seemed to be an issue that certain people got very upset about, insisting that I was breaking the law and violating my contract. The accusations were non-productive and based only on speculation, directly in contradiction to stated facts. Just like your post. Someone suggested the possibility that I would be banned over it. What a joke.

Recently, SM allowed others to speak, and there have been many postings of content, screen shots, and direct answers to questions about specific features. Every one of the people I named above have posted multiple times with information about Poser 8, including renders and screen shots.

These postings were not all in this thread, or even all in this forum. There are many at RDNA and DAZ.

I have been posting much less in the past couple weeks because the other guys were picking up, answering questions and showing things.

I cannot understand what it is about this situation that brings out certain behaviors in certain people. But I'm almost certain of this: People wanted information and SM let us give it. But if even a handful of people turn this policy into a stupid, senseless argument, it will not sit well and the information flow will be shut down completely and forever. You will be left with nothing in the future.

If the rest of you don't make these few stop the nonsense, that's what is going to happen. It doesn't matter to me at all if it does. I'm not the one that will be left in the dark.

*Atari ST??? You're kidding, right?
*Yep - its a commodore 64 :)  

Mariner - LOL - is that cool looking mech included with the P8 content?

Personaly I like BB's comments. I find it hard also for so many that complain about every little thing. Somethimes I think just to be heard. He has a job to do, and maybe people don't like his approach. But he gets the job done. what ever it takes! And in the process, giving out information that very few have access to. 

The same thing could have been said about Pattons approch in WW2. But If not for his approch, Europe might be speaking Russian right now. 

While I find that BagginsBill is doing a great job holding his own here, I feel the need to say that a bit of chilling out is necessary from time to time. 

Sometimes, we ALL take offense to things that, well, honestly aren't all that offensive.  It was just our perception at the time.  If we go into every conversation expecting to be disappointed, we will be.  If we expect companies to treat us like children, they will...but usually only in our mind. 

If you, personally, don't like the way a company handles their marketing, there's nothing we here can do about it.  But, there IS something that you can do about it.  Contact their customer service.  Let them know how you feel.  Slamming them here, well, it won't get you much. 

Also, if you're not prepared to read 42 pages of information here, and even more pages worth of thread at RDNA, then please don't come here saying that no one other than BB is talking about P8.  It's being talked about.  By a lot of people.  

I don't know what you guys expect out of BB, but, well, I'm sorry you're not happy with the info being presented.  I feel he's going far above and beyond what he needs to, and he doesn't deserve to get crapped on for doing exactly what everyone's asking of him.  If you want to yell at or dish on someone, direct it to my inbox.  I'm sure I did something to piss someone off today.

Quote - *Atari ST??? You're kidding, right?
*Yep - its a commodore 64 :)  

Mariner - LOL - is that cool looking mech included with the P8 content?

Yes, That is a PixelWarrior creation.

 Ummm, Jen.....?

You're using that 'logic' thing again.......  8/P

And why should -you- have to put up with it? Just hop over to Rotica and invite His Legumeness over for a spin. This place hasn't had a hydrochloric high colonic with a hydrazine chaser in a =loooooooong= time. It probably wouldn't traumatize too many newbies......

And I for one thank you for the info, BB.

I'm not on a one-on-one basis (no pun intended) with Doc ;)  Otherwise, I might :P  I might not have been super-active when he was still around, but I recall the days.... ;)

Why should I have to put up with it?  Cuz I'm used to it.  I'm the super-mean mod.  ;)

I miss the pink pony

Do the RDNA forums contain information or renders not already shared in the threads on this forum?

just posting to say that even though i've been caught up in work stuff, i've been following this thread and am grateful for the information, not pissed off that they're not waiting until everything is rock solid to share information.  it isn't treating people like they're in grade school to say, "well it's not ready yet, and we're not precisely sure when it will be, but here's what we've done so far and what we're trying to do."  it's assuming they're adults, and actually understand how the world works.  and frankly, having been on the receiving end of many DAZ major promotions and announcements only to have vague release statements (like "this fall") turn out to be wrong by months and even years, i'd rather have them give a release  date when they actually are close enough to be 99% certain.

Quote - Do the RDNA forums contain information or renders not already shared in the threads on this forum?

Yes. Info, screenshots, renders. Not as many as here, but there are some. Some people who have more cores than I (syyd) reporting ridiculous render speeds. Poser 8 supports 32 cores running, and with buckets handed out to available cores as they become available instead of just dividing the screen into four quadrants, it screams.

Mariner posted a screen shot of the search dialog.

DarkEdge posted a render that may be here too, but I can't remember.

Mariner talked some about the drag and drop behavior and how he went back to Poser Pro Library for a bit and felt really uncomfortable with the limitations compared to the Poser 8 library. He talked about being able to access multiple runtimes simultaneously. Other stuff.

There's more.

It's not all in one big book you can buy.

/sarcasm on/

Why isn't it all in one book?  SM should get off their behinds and get that out!

/sarcasm off/

Thanks BB and others.  I appreciate whatever info you all give. 

I think there is still a bad feeling towards E-Frontier/Curious Labs on how they marketed Poser 6; and are not treating SM fairly.  These are probably the same people who don't mind when DAZ does the same exact thing over and over again.

More P8 content spotted ....

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1923442
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1923795

Amazing timing. I was about to make a render of Creech because you guys haven't seen that yet. But thefixer beat me to it!

I'll go render something else. There's TONS of stuff to show. If I rendered one an hour I'd still be at it for days.

Quote - Some people who have more cores than I (syyd) reporting ridiculous render speeds. Poser 8 supports 32 cores running, and with buckets handed out to available cores as they become available instead of just dividing the screen into four quadrants, it screams.

How many cores do you have, by the way?

Just wondering how far behind the hardware curve some of us (myself included) might be.

There seems to be a lot of fear about minimum system requirements.

My experience is that Poser 8 uses about the same resources as Poser 7 or Pro. Posing works the same or better. The pose window displays lighting and shaders more accurately, but doesn't seem any slower. General UI clickery and screen refresh of components is no problem. The Library is way faster to load up and navigate. Everything else feels about the same.

I'd say that whatever you have now, if it works it won't be any different.

I don't think I've mentioned this, but there are low-poly versions of Ryan and Alyson.

I agree the posted system requirements are minimums, and they say so. That's what "requirements" are - what you must have. As in, you can probably pose and render a low-poly figure and a few props, but don't expect to load a million polygons with only 512 Meg of RAM. Whatever you think is right for Poser 7 or Pro is right for Poser 8.

But ... Poser 7 and Poser Pro can't touch Poser 8 when using a state of the art machine.

My laptop is Core 2 T7600 @ 2.33 Ghz, 2 GB RAM. I have no problems.

Quote -

Yes, That is a PixelWarrior creation.

I know. I AM Pixelwarrior :-)

Lol - I had alreadydone this one.
Just a Creech Face

Creech is horrified - he's watching Snow White. (Click for full size)

Picture frame, sofa, chips, and cola bottle are Poser 8 included content. I didn't like the shader on the sofa, so I applied my leather shader. The picture frame comes blank, but I put thefixer's render in it and a shader on the frame. Everything else is stock out of the box.

Quote - I had to do mine anyway. I couldn't let go of this idea.

Creech is horrified - he's watching Snow White. (Click for full size)

ROTFL!
Snow White ...

I for my part am grateful for every tidbit of information.
I kow I will not be able to afford P8 at once anyway - but one day I will. :biggrin:

I am personally offended at BB for not being at SM headquarters with a pointy stick making them release it now! ;p

I've been seeing a good number of P8 renders now and I'm wondering about one thing...... why does the majority of these P8 renders look so much alike P7/Pro renders? Why aren't we blown away by stunning renders if the light system and rendering is so much better then it is in the previous versions?

I do hope someone will show me/us the real rendering improvement/power that P8 is supposed to harness, I haven't seen anything yet that couldn't be done with what Poser Pro offers already.

Yes, I've looked at the comparing side by side renders, but those P7 renders look so bad (most likely on purpose) and do not represent Poser 7 (or Poser Pro) at all.

We're are the mind blowing renders? Someone must have them...... nothing mind blowing yet, nothing superior yet..... nothing that cannot be achieved with P7/Pro.....nothing truly convincing yet.

Gamma correction for example brought something new, something different, something very recognizable. These new render and light features do not seem to bring anything outstanding, anything different or very recognizable at all.

New content doesn't interest me at all, new interface neither, nor a new way of having a library. The main thing I'm interested in in a new version is always rendering improvements. What I've seen so far isn't convincing at all, it's the same as usual.

Who will take the challenge and show me/us the real P8 rendering power? Lot's of talk about it, but the images do not match up with the talk..... yet (I really do hope it's yet).

Quote - Any polygon that isn't black lights other polgyons. It doesn't matter why it lights them. It could be because it is lit by a light. It could be that it has a hard-coded ambient color. Either way, it is included in the general lighting.

My environment sphere is self-lit, using a photo to determine the color of every pixel. Therefore, it lights the scene, as long as something doesn't get in the way.

A rectangle with an "Exit" sign in ambient red also lights the scene. Nothing special about it.

No disrespect to you BB but that sounds pretty damn special to me. :D

Quote - I've been seeing a good number of P8 renders now and I'm wondering about one thing...... why does the majority of these P8 renders look so much alike P7/Pro renders? Why aren't we blown away by stunning renders if the light system and rendering is so much better then it is in the previous versions?

I  thought this one by BB was very impressive.  It only uses one light:

This should give a quick example that Poser 8 does handle things differently.
M4 PoserPro render on left

M4 Poser8 render on right

Notice the difference?