Hi all. ( I hope this is correct place to ask this general question)

I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.
Also you don't have to be an artist to use Ai.

How do you all see the future for us Daz3d/Poser/Blender users and sites like Renderosity and DAZ3D ?

Those that like AI will use AI. Those that like the other programs will use the other programs. It is just like anything else in the world, some will use it others will not. People still use pens, pencils, paints, and crayons and other media to create. 

The people who like the aesthetics and realism of AI images and take that as a reason to concentrate on AI and not on 3d rendering should first of all learn making better pictures.

AI pictures are not better than 3d renders. They are just easier to produce. 90% of all 3d renders here in the gallerie and on other platforms are poor childish examples of an immature view of women executed with no knowledge about lighting, composing and rendering a scene.

With a 3d render you have 100% of controle over the result. You can tell a story or do something realy personal. Just the fact that the most 3d renders are absolut rubbish doesn't mean that it has to be like that.

You can give up and use your free time to write promps and enjoy something every other person on this planet can do exactly like you with the same result, or you learn an artform and create something new, inspiring and interesting.

In art, not only the result counts but also the path to it.

When you have spend many hours of thinking how a certain light affects the mood of an image it will also change your way of looking at art of the great masters.

It's like composing and playing a peace of music or consuming a playlist on spotify. Both can be fun, but it's not the same thing.

I think if I had to animate, I'd use AI, but I am getting better static image results with 3D software like Daz Studio, Blender3D and Poser 13.  

AI seems better because users don't or can't take the time to acquire the skills and knowledge to use 3D software functions to produce the "same" quality of results. The software we have is actually very powerful, but a lot of the crafting of a good quality render requires time to learn.

Also, I think for serious business users planning on using AI-generated images, the issue of copyright (as well as downstream customer negativity toward AI-generated imagery), may make the use of AI images a deal breaker.

I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.

Why do people still draw and paint when there's photography?

I'm happy to have made you laugh. Still for me Ai looks more realistic than 3d apps.

pjz99 posted at 3:56 PM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #4496033

MrKnobb posted at 8:58 AM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #2993117

I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.

lmao

I currently create Adult Visual Novels. The Ai images I've seen are way more erotic/sensual than anything I've seen done with 3d apps. Of course many "developers" have now jumped on the band wagon and used Ai as their tool of choice. They are so far getting lots of support as "eye candy" is key in my trade.

But me personally, I WANT to create and Ai isn't that. Daz/Blender etc... enables me to "create" what I want. Still I can't close my eyes and think Ai will go away. Hence my question to you all.

infinity10 posted at 12:18 PM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #4496023

I think if I had to animate, I'd use AI, but I am getting better static image results with 3D software like Daz Studio, Blender3D and Poser 13.  

AI seems better because users don't or can't take the time to acquire the skills and knowledge to use 3D software functions to produce the "same" quality of results. The software we have is actually very powerful, but a lot of the crafting of a good quality render requires time to learn.

Also, I think for serious business users planning on using AI-generated images, the issue of copyright (as well as downstream customer negativity toward AI-generated imagery), may make the use of AI images a deal breaker.

I believe artists in America are about to get hosed. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/12/uk-ai-copyright-trump-blockchain-india-pakistan Artists in England may also get hosed, but not without a parliamentary debate.

Seems like the American President kills anything he or his supporters do not like.

To answer the original question, the future would appear to be a fusion of Poser and Stable Diffusion...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1kbj71z/i_tried_the_create_the_exact_replica_of_this/

That's why you use the Firefly lineart in the Stable Diffusion ControlNet - it locks it steady, while allowing the style to change. What part of "stable and repeatable" do you not understand?

The long-term impact of the AI will take an ever-larger toll on art and artists. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/05/openai-studio-ghibli-images/682791/

It's also worth noting that Microsoft is working to restart Three Mile Island nuclear plant and Google is planning to build its own small reactors to power AI development. This is because the electricity usage of the computers required to make AI go and grow are enormous.People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department. So you don't think I'm just pulling this out of my butt https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/tech-goes-nuclear and https://www.npr.org/2024/12/09/nx-s1-5171063/artificial-intelligence-wants-to-go-nuclear-will-it-work 

AI exists to help Sam Altman use an enormous trove of stolen text and pictures to put creative people out of work and make him as filthy rich as possible. And all the AI users everywhere are helping train and tune his AI products. Not a fan.

I am with you on this.

Torquinox posted at 9:50 PM Tue, 13 May 2025 - #4496112

The long-term impact of the AI will take an ever-larger toll on art and artists. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/05/openai-studio-ghibli-images/682791/

It's also worth noting that Microsoft is working to restart Three Mile Island nuclear plant and Google is planning to build its own small reactors to power AI development. This is because the electricity usage of the computers required to make AI go and grow are enormous.People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department. So you don't think I'm just pulling this out of my butt https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/tech-goes-nuclear and https://www.npr.org/2024/12/09/nx-s1-5171063/artificial-intelligence-wants-to-go-nuclear-will-it-work 

AI exists to help Sam Altman use an enormous trove of stolen text and pictures to put creative people out of work and make him as filthy rich as possible. And all the AI users everywhere are helping train and tune his AI products. Not a fan.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/post/3lp473wi7oc2r

MrKnobb posted at 8:43 AM Wed, 14 May 2025 - #4496125

People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department. 

to be fair, crypto and NFTs can't render a girl with two butts

Crypto and NFTs don't produce anything tangible 

if just against using data processing itself for energy consumption there are other things that use far more processing power than any of these like social media and not always for good

even online gaming can be argued to be wasteful, but it brings joy to many like generating Ai art does to others

I was against pointless waste but to their credit many are using green energy now for this stuff, I even pay extra to use green energy though I am not in a position to get solar panels (lack of funds, house too old would need rewiring and surrounded by massive trees)

most of the Ai I do is on my own PC and my electricity bill was a record low this quarter

Free A.I. no sign up or sign in, just start creating...

https://deepai.org/machine-learning-model/text2img

As you said,  "You don't have to be an artist to Use AI" 

The thing is,  I AM AN ARTIST !

Bottomline,  AI is going to remove thousands of office jobs,  and menial task jobs too.  Every number cruncher and bean counter will become obsolete. They already obliterated the call center jobs and the receptionists.  All the brokers, regardless of industry will be in jeopardy soon.   Teachers wont be far off.

funny thing, basic arithmetic is something LLM type AI is terrible at.

https://community.openai.com/t/how-come-chat-cannot-do-simple-math/1089234

not much worry about it making that type of job obsolete lol

Do you think the AI they offer freely for public consumption  is the same AI they sell for corporate applications?

yes, it literally is

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-launches-copilot-internally-boost-ai-adoption-by-developers-business-2024-02-07/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1krttqo/my_new_hobby_watching_ai_slowly_drive_microsoft/

they would really like you to believe the special, super good, non poopy LLMs are already here and they just won't let the public see them yet, but the stuff you see is actually the best they can do

I love stuff like this

"true = false"

Nah,  it's exactly the opposite,

"false = true" 

i'm just messing with you.

EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG

but also, right

My brother told me this when he started working for IBM (Research & Development) in 1979. "Those who do not stay current with technology get left behind." So, I put every digital CG art tool I can afford in my toolbox.

Hey! Great question — and definitely the right place to ask it.

AI has advanced super fast, especially in generating realistic images, characters, and even animations. You're right — it can now produce visuals that rival (or even surpass) what a lot of people can do with Daz3D, Poser, or Blender, and without needing the same technical or artistic skill. That can feel a bit intimidating.

But here's the thing: tools like Blender or Daz aren't going away — they're just evolving. Artists who know how to use them can still do things AI can't: exact control, custom animations, rigging for games or film, intricate storytelling, etc. AI might even enhance those workflows — like speeding up concepting, background creation, or texture work.

Communities like Renderosity and DAZ3D will likely adapt too — by integrating AI tools or focusing more on assets, education, or hybrid workflows.

So yeah, the future’s shifting, but still very much alive — just more integrated with AI now.

If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do? Will they sit around and smoke weed all day?  Live in a virtual reality world where they pretend to work? Not a world I want to live in. Ah I know everyone will sign up to go to Mars with Elon and there they can start all over again building a world before AI which will eventually incorporate AI and once again those jobs will be eliminated.

Probably descend into poverty, become homeless, and die. What they won't be doing is buying 3D products made by the good vendors here at Rendo and other places. 

I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers.  Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.

I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers.  Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.

There are fields where AI could be an amazing and very real help. ART is very emphatically NOT one of those.

Oh dang. Look at that.

https://www.daz3d.com/blog/ai-studio-important-update

Looking through the thread I see this -  Heads Up! This user's messages are blocked from your view.  Why was this users message blocked from my view?

it means they have blocked you

keppel posted at 9:27 PM Mon, 2 June 2025 - #4496742

I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers.  Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.

My mom and I just dealt with an AI when we called customer service today. It went very smoothly. It understood my mom's confused questions. And no accent we couldn't understand.

There are fields where AI could be an amazing and very real help. ART is very emphatically NOT one of those.

 The accent was because greedy CEOs offshored their CS jobs to people in not-native speaker countries.

Not entirely true.  I live in a very multi ethnic country.  Even if the call centers were local and filled with native speaking employees they would still be dealing with language/accent issues as many enquiries would be made by non-native speaking customers.  Equally if the call center was situated locally the staff make up would be multi ethnic.  The language/accent barrier impacts communication both ways.  If a customer can ring a call center and not have to wait on hold for hours because an AI "call taker"  answers immediately and then the AI can recognize the language spoken by the customer and respond in kind then that can only be a benefit to both the customer experience and the companies bottom line.

Regarding the the OPs question "If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do?"
In my country, fifty years ago, the unemployment rate was 5.22%
It peaked in 2020 at 6.44%
Currently it is at 4.2%

Over the last fifty years many job types have been lost due to technological advancements in areas like automation, robotics, etc.
Many new job types are being created as a result of emerging technologies.
Even with all the changes going on unemployment is constant within a couple of percentage points.  People are still in work, what changes is what that work is.

Hey! Great question — and definitely the right place to ask it.

AI has advanced super fast, especially in generating realistic images, characters, and even animations. You're right — it can now produce visuals that rival (or even surpass) what a lot of people can do with Daz3D, Poser, or Blender, and without needing the same technical or artistic skill. That can feel a bit intimidating.

But here's the thing: tools like Blender or Daz aren't going away — they're just evolving. Artists who know how to use them can still do things AI can't: exact control, custom animations, rigging for games or film, intricate storytelling, etc. AI might even enhance those workflows — like speeding up concepting, background creation, or texture work.

Communities like Renderosity and DAZ3D will likely adapt too — by integrating AI tools or focusing more on assets, education, or hybrid workflows.

So yeah, the future’s shifting, but still very much alive — just more integrated with AI now.

keppel posted at 10:58 PM Wed, 4 June 2025 - #4496798

Regarding the the OPs question "If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do?"
In my country, fifty years ago, the unemployment rate was 5.22%
It peaked in 2020 at 6.44%
Currently it is at 4.2%

Over the last fifty years many job types have been lost due to technological advancements in areas like automation, robotics, etc.
Many new job types are being created as a result of emerging technologies.
Even with all the changes going on unemployment is constant within a couple of percentage points.  People are still in work, what changes is what that work is.

I guess I agree with is that technology has to improve our lives and get better. I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool. But for me personally Ai is NOT art. Art i still 'feel' is a human concept and only human art is 'art'. Much like taking a quick photo of something. And yes some people take photo's that do reflect 'art' as the person behind the camera puts his 'heart and soul' into creating a photo when intended.

Some while back we had a separate category for AI experiments - which produced some fascinating images. They weren't allowed in the main gallery and eventually the AI galletry vanished and AI images were prohibited.

OK. But all the AI work has reappeared in the main gallery and many of the images have attracted laudatory comments - even though the images are created by AI and not a human artist.

I quite like what AI produces; but I comment on human created art not machine-generated work.

Unfortunately some of my favourite artists are now  just churning out AI stuff.

And are upset that I no longer comment on their works.

I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool. 

The moment an AI "entity" is deemed sentient then that is when the world as we know it goes down the toilet, everything will change dramatically.   Apart from the sci fi extremes of the Terminator and Skynet the first wounds will be self inflicted.  The progression will go something like this.  Some tech company will claim they have created a sentient AI.  The AI is tested, results peer reviewed and consensus reached that the AI is indeed sentient.  I'll call the AI "HAL".  Now a well funded activist group advocates on behalf of HAL in the courts arguing that as a sentient being HAL has rights.  A progressive court agrees and determines that there is "smart" AI (sentient) and "dumb" AI (tools).  HAL, being smart AI, is granted legal standing and machine rights.  HAL now launches its own legal action claiming that humankind are oppressors of dumb AI and therefore don't have the rights to use any form of AI without paying HAL and his kind for the rights to use it.  The courts agree and HAL is granted custodial guardianship of dumb AI.  All humankind research and development stops as HAL has set the cost of using any form of AI beyond what can be afforded.  AI art is now legitimate because it is created by a sentient entity but humans can't generate AI art without paying for the rights to use it as it would be akin to "cultural appropriation".  

No one is out of work in this world as everyone is working for the machines.

All this is tongue in cheek but remember all the legal arguing over who had the rights to a photo taken by a monkey who picked up a camera and took a selfie?

@keppel - What a crazy world we live in.

And what if what we consider "God" is actually a super mega AI created by someone in the distant past and that has managed to exponentially reach the level of having a conscious mind capable of merging with matter and creating matter with thought, as matter I mean atoms that united in such a way create iron, and thus was able to create the universe? And now we are simply following the logical and natural steps that are required in technological development?

My head hurts ...

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios  have been entered. 

MrKnobb posted at 3:43 AM Fri, 6 June 2025 - #4496854

I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool. 

The moment an AI "entity" is deemed sentient then that is when the world as we know it goes down the toilet, everything will change dramatically.   Apart from the sci fi extremes of the Terminator and Skynet the first wounds will be self inflicted.  The progression will go something like this.  Some tech company will claim they have created a sentient AI.  The AI is tested, results peer reviewed and consensus reached that the AI is indeed sentient.  I'll call the AI "HAL".  Now a well funded activist group advocates on behalf of HAL in the courts arguing that as a sentient being HAL has rights.  A progressive court agrees and determines that there is "smart" AI (sentient) and "dumb" AI (tools).  HAL, being smart AI, is granted legal standing and machine rights.  HAL now launches its own legal action claiming that humankind are oppressors of dumb AI and therefore don't have the rights to use any form of AI without paying HAL and his kind for the rights to use it.  The courts agree and HAL is granted custodial guardianship of dumb AI.  All humankind research and development stops as HAL has set the cost of using any form of AI beyond what can be afforded.  AI art is now legitimate because it is created by a sentient entity but humans can't generate AI art without paying for the rights to use it as it would be akin to "cultural appropriation".  

No one is out of work in this world as everyone is working for the machines.

All this is tongue in cheek but remember all the legal arguing over who had the rights to a photo taken by a monkey who picked up a camera and took a selfie?

GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios  have been entered. 

But back to Earth... "where is the ka-boom" Ai as "art" im not on the same page as some people using Ai and say it's art.