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Why do people still draw and paint when there's photography?

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I'm happy to have made you laugh. Still for me Ai looks more realistic than 3d apps.

pjz99 posted at 3:56 PM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #4496033

MrKnobb posted at 8:58 AM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #2993117
I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.
lmao

I currently create Adult Visual Novels. The Ai images I've seen are way more erotic/sensual than anything I've seen done with 3d apps. Of course many "developers" have now jumped on the band wagon and used Ai as their tool of choice. They are so far getting lots of support as "eye candy" is key in my trade.

But me personally, I WANT to create and Ai isn't that. Daz/Blender etc... enables me to "create" what I want. Still I can't close my eyes and think Ai will go away. Hence my question to you all.

infinity10 posted at 12:18 PM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #4496023

I think if I had to animate, I'd use AI, but I am getting better static image results with 3D software like Daz Studio, Blender3D and Poser 13.
AI seems better because users don't or can't take the time to acquire the skills and knowledge to use 3D software functions to produce the "same" quality of results. The software we have is actually very powerful, but a lot of the crafting of a good quality render requires time to learn.
Also, I think for serious business users planning on using AI-generated images, the issue of copyright (as well as downstream customer negativity toward AI-generated imagery), may make the use of AI images a deal breaker.

I believe artists in America are about to get hosed. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/12/uk-ai-copyright-trump-blockchain-india-pakistan Artists in England may also get hosed, but not without a parliamentary debate.

Seems like the American President kills anything he or his supporters do not like.

To answer the original question, the future would appear to be a fusion of Poser and Stable Diffusion...

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That's why you use the Firefly lineart in the Stable Diffusion ControlNet - it locks it steady, while allowing the style to change. What part of "stable and repeatable" do you not understand?

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The long-term impact of the AI will take an ever-larger toll on art and artists. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/05/openai-studio-ghibli-images/682791/

It's also worth noting that Microsoft is working to restart Three Mile Island nuclear plant and Google is planning to build its own small reactors to power AI development. This is because the electricity usage of the computers required to make AI go and grow are enormous.People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department. So you don't think I'm just pulling this out of my butt https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/tech-goes-nuclear and https://www.npr.org/2024/12/09/nx-s1-5171063/artificial-intelligence-wants-to-go-nuclear-will-it-work

AI exists to help Sam Altman use an enormous trove of stolen text and pictures to put creative people out of work and make him as filthy rich as possible. And all the AI users everywhere are helping train and tune his AI products. Not a fan.

I am with you on this.

Torquinox posted at 9:50 PM Tue, 13 May 2025 - #4496112

The long-term impact of the AI will take an ever-larger toll on art and artists. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2025/05/openai-studio-ghibli-images/682791/
It's also worth noting that Microsoft is working to restart Three Mile Island nuclear plant and Google is planning to build its own small reactors to power AI development. This is because the electricity usage of the computers required to make AI go and grow are enormous.People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department. So you don't think I'm just pulling this out of my butt https://www.informationweek.com/it-infrastructure/tech-goes-nuclear and https://www.npr.org/2024/12/09/nx-s1-5171063/artificial-intelligence-wants-to-go-nuclear-will-it-work
AI exists to help Sam Altman use an enormous trove of stolen text and pictures to put creative people out of work and make him as filthy rich as possible. And all the AI users everywhere are helping train and tune his AI products. Not a fan.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4usmserhjqkvhldgedfjb3jw/post/3lp473wi7oc2r

MrKnobb posted at 8:43 AM Wed, 14 May 2025 - #4496125

People have complained bitterly about the power consumption of crypto and NFTs, but apparently AI gets a free pass in that department.

to be fair, crypto and NFTs can't render a girl with two butts

Crypto and NFTs don't produce anything tangible

if just against using data processing itself for energy consumption there are other things that use far more processing power than any of these like social media and not always for good

even online gaming can be argued to be wasteful, but it brings joy to many like generating Ai art does to others

I was against pointless waste but to their credit many are using green energy now for this stuff, I even pay extra to use green energy though I am not in a position to get solar panels (lack of funds, house too old would need rewiring and surrounded by massive trees)

most of the Ai I do is on my own PC and my electricity bill was a record low this quarter

https://deepai.org/machine-learning-model/text2img

Free A.I. no sign up or sign in, just start creating...

As you said, "You don't have to be an artist to Use AI"

The thing is, I AM AN ARTIST !

Bottomline, AI is going to remove thousands of office jobs, and menial task jobs too. Every number cruncher and bean counter will become obsolete. They already obliterated the call center jobs and the receptionists. All the brokers, regardless of industry will be in jeopardy soon. Teachers wont be far off.

funny thing, basic arithmetic is something LLM type AI is terrible at.

https://community.openai.com/t/how-come-chat-cannot-do-simple-math/1089234

not much worry about it making that type of job obsolete lol

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-launches-copilot-internally-boost-ai-adoption-by-developers-business-2024-02-07/

Do you think the AI they offer freely for public consumption is the same AI they sell for corporate applications?

yes, it literally is

https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1krttqo/my_new_hobby_watching_ai_slowly_drive_microsoft/

they would really like you to believe the special, super good, non poopy LLMs are already here and they just won't let the public see them yet, but the stuff you see is actually the best they can do

I love stuff like this

"true = false"

Nah, it's exactly the opposite,

"false = true"

i'm just messing with you.

EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG

but also, right

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My brother told me this when he started working for IBM (Research & Development) in 1979. "Those who do not stay current with technology get left behind." So, I put every digital CG art tool I can afford in my toolbox.

Hey! Great question — and definitely the right place to ask it.

AI has advanced super fast, especially in generating realistic images, characters, and even animations. You're right — it can now produce visuals that rival (or even surpass) what a lot of people can do with Daz3D, Poser, or Blender, and without needing the same technical or artistic skill. That can feel a bit intimidating.

But here's the thing: tools like Blender or Daz aren't going away — they're just evolving. Artists who know how to use them can still do things AI can't: exact control, custom animations, rigging for games or film, intricate storytelling, etc. AI might even enhance those workflows — like speeding up concepting, background creation, or texture work.

Communities like Renderosity and DAZ3D will likely adapt too — by integrating AI tools or focusing more on assets, education, or hybrid workflows.

So yeah, the future’s shifting, but still very much alive — just more integrated with AI now.

If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do? Will they sit around and smoke weed all day? Live in a virtual reality world where they pretend to work? Not a world I want to live in. Ah I know everyone will sign up to go to Mars with Elon and there they can start all over again building a world before AI which will eventually incorporate AI and once again those jobs will be eliminated.

Probably descend into poverty, become homeless, and die. What they won't be doing is buying 3D products made by the good vendors here at Rendo and other places.

I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers. Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.

keppel posted at 9:27 PM Mon, 2 June 2025 - #4496742

I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers. Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.

My mom and I just dealt with an AI when we called customer service today. It went very smoothly. It understood my mom's confused questions. And no accent we couldn't understand.

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There are fields where AI could be an amazing and very real help. ART is very emphatically NOT one of those.

Oh dang. Look at that.

https://www.daz3d.com/blog/ai-studio-important-update

Looking through the thread I see this - Heads Up! This user's messages are blocked from your view. Why was this users message blocked from my view?

it means they have blocked you

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RedPhantom posted at 6:16 PM Tue, 3 June 2025 - #4496755

keppel posted at 9:27 PM Mon, 2 June 2025 - #4496742
I'm longing for the day that AI gets rolled out to consumer help call centers. Then I can finally get to speak to a call taker that I can understand.
My mom and I just dealt with an AI when we called customer service today. It went very smoothly. It understood my mom's confused questions. And no accent we couldn't understand.

Think, Pooh, think! The accent was because greedy CEOs offshored their CS jobs to people in not-native speaker countries. Now the same greedy CEOs pay a pittance to the AI companies to replace the offshored people. You may think it's wonderful, but it's a trap. Guess what, Red Phantom? Day's gonna come that whatever CEO pays you or members of your family or whatever won't need you or any of them, either. Which brings us back to GGreen's question. "If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do?" It's a very good question.

Rhia474 posted at 7:49 PM Tue, 3 June 2025 - #4496757

There are fields where AI could be an amazing and very real help. ART is very emphatically NOT one of those.

And yet, because it's highly visible and low-hanging fruit, that's what gets replaced first.

Torquinox posted at 10:23 AM Wed, 4 June 2025 - #4496776

The accent was because greedy CEOs offshored their CS jobs to people in not-native speaker countries.

Not entirely true. I live in a very multi ethnic country. Even if the call centers were local and filled with native speaking employees they would still be dealing with language/accent issues as many enquiries would be made by non-native speaking customers. Equally if the call center was situated locally the staff make up would be multi ethnic. The language/accent barrier impacts communication both ways. If a customer can ring a call center and not have to wait on hold for hours because an AI "call taker" answers immediately and then the AI can recognize the language spoken by the customer and respond in kind then that can only be a benefit to both the customer experience and the companies bottom line.

Regarding the the OPs question "If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do?"
In my country, fifty years ago, the unemployment rate was 5.22%
It peaked in 2020 at 6.44%
Currently it is at 4.2%

Over the last fifty years many job types have been lost due to technological advancements in areas like automation, robotics, etc.
Many new job types are being created as a result of emerging technologies.
Even with all the changes going on unemployment is constant within a couple of percentage points. People are still in work, what changes is what that work is.

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kensmith1 posted at 5:23 AM Sun, 1 June 2025 - #4496693

Hey! Great question — and definitely the right place to ask it.
AI has advanced super fast, especially in generating realistic images, characters, and even animations. You're right — it can now produce visuals that rival (or even surpass) what a lot of people can do with Daz3D, Poser, or Blender, and without needing the same technical or artistic skill. That can feel a bit intimidating.
But here's the thing: tools like Blender or Daz aren't going away — they're just evolving. Artists who know how to use them can still do things AI can't: exact control, custom animations, rigging for games or film, intricate storytelling, etc. AI might even enhance those workflows — like speeding up concepting, background creation, or texture work.

Communities like Renderosity and DAZ3D will likely adapt too — by integrating AI tools or focusing more on assets, education, or hybrid workflows.

So yeah, the future’s shifting, but still very much alive — just more integrated with AI now.

I like this mindset and agree. I asked a question on a AAA game forum once. Would player like AAA games to look realistic (real life - similar to what Ai can do now) or still have that CGI feel to it? And I don't mean cartoony, but still looks almost realistic but one can still make out it's a game on first or second glance.

keppel posted at 10:58 PM Wed, 4 June 2025 - #4496798

Regarding the the OPs question "If AI eliminates all of the jobs what will everyone do?"
In my country, fifty years ago, the unemployment rate was 5.22%
It peaked in 2020 at 6.44%
Currently it is at 4.2%
Over the last fifty years many job types have been lost due to technological advancements in areas like automation, robotics, etc.
Many new job types are being created as a result of emerging technologies.
Even with all the changes going on unemployment is constant within a couple of percentage points. People are still in work, what changes is what that work is.

Makes sense what you saying. I hope it stays like this for future to come.

I guess I agree with is that technology has to improve our lives and get better. I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool. But for me personally Ai is NOT art. Art i still 'feel' is a human concept and only human art is 'art'. Much like taking a quick photo of something. And yes some people take photo's that do reflect 'art' as the person behind the camera puts his 'heart and soul' into creating a photo when intended.

Some while back we had a separate category for AI experiments - which produced some fascinating images. They weren't allowed in the main gallery and eventually the AI galletry vanished and AI images were prohibited.

OK. But all the AI work has reappeared in the main gallery and many of the images have attracted laudatory comments - even though the images are created by AI and not a human artist.

I quite like what AI produces; but I comment on human created art not machine-generated work.

Unfortunately some of my favourite artists are now just churning out AI stuff.

And are upset that I no longer comment on their works.

MrKnobb posted at 3:43 AM Fri, 6 June 2025 - #4496854

I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool.

The moment an AI "entity" is deemed sentient then that is when the world as we know it goes down the toilet, everything will change dramatically. Apart from the sci fi extremes of the Terminator and Skynet the first wounds will be self inflicted. The progression will go something like this. Some tech company will claim they have created a sentient AI. The AI is tested, results peer reviewed and consensus reached that the AI is indeed sentient. I'll call the AI "HAL". Now a well funded activist group advocates on behalf of HAL in the courts arguing that as a sentient being HAL has rights. A progressive court agrees and determines that there is "smart" AI (sentient) and "dumb" AI (tools). HAL, being smart AI, is granted legal standing and machine rights. HAL now launches its own legal action claiming that humankind are oppressors of dumb AI and therefore don't have the rights to use any form of AI without paying HAL and his kind for the rights to use it. The courts agree and HAL is granted custodial guardianship of dumb AI. All humankind research and development stops as HAL has set the cost of using any form of AI beyond what can be afforded. AI art is now legitimate because it is created by a sentient entity but humans can't generate AI art without paying for the rights to use it as it would be akin to "cultural appropriation".

No one is out of work in this world as everyone is working for the machines.

All this is tongue in cheek but remember all the legal arguing over who had the rights to a photo taken by a monkey who picked up a camera and took a selfie?

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@keppel - What a crazy world we live in.

And what if what we consider "God" is actually a super mega AI created by someone in the distant past and that has managed to exponentially reach the level of having a conscious mind capable of merging with matter and creating matter with thought, as matter I mean atoms that united in such a way create iron, and thus was able to create the universe? And now we are simply following the logical and natural steps that are required in technological development?

My head hurts ...

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios have been entered.

keppel posted at 9:58 PM Mon, 9 June 2025 - #4496964

MrKnobb posted at 3:43 AM Fri, 6 June 2025 - #4496854
I would like to use Ai as a tool. But currently it looks more like it's almost as if it maybe can become 'sentient' in some way and 'it' wants or can do it's own thing and not used as a tool.
The moment an AI "entity" is deemed sentient then that is when the world as we know it goes down the toilet, everything will change dramatically. Apart from the sci fi extremes of the Terminator and Skynet the first wounds will be self inflicted. The progression will go something like this. Some tech company will claim they have created a sentient AI. The AI is tested, results peer reviewed and consensus reached that the AI is indeed sentient. I'll call the AI "HAL". Now a well funded activist group advocates on behalf of HAL in the courts arguing that as a sentient being HAL has rights. A progressive court agrees and determines that there is "smart" AI (sentient) and "dumb" AI (tools). HAL, being smart AI, is granted legal standing and machine rights. HAL now launches its own legal action claiming that humankind are oppressors of dumb AI and therefore don't have the rights to use any form of AI without paying HAL and his kind for the rights to use it. The courts agree and HAL is granted custodial guardianship of dumb AI. All humankind research and development stops as HAL has set the cost of using any form of AI beyond what can be afforded. AI art is now legitimate because it is created by a sentient entity but humans can't generate AI art without paying for the rights to use it as it would be akin to "cultural appropriation".
No one is out of work in this world as everyone is working for the machines.
All this is tongue in cheek but remember all the legal arguing over who had the rights to a photo taken by a monkey who picked up a camera and took a selfie?

Tongue in Cheek and Space Odyssey 2000 excluded, you are I believe hitting the hammer on the nail in all aspects. We will deffo see snowflakes fighting for the Ai "human" rights. I recently watched Love, Death & Robots and there was an episode on which had 3 Androids/robots visiting a broken earth. They also visited an oasis in the ocean similar to a fancy oil rig for the rich. Yes they mentioned Elon. But their jokes were spot on. The super rich who created the Ai in the first place when things started to go sideways they fled to this "Elysium" of theirs. But even here things went wrong. It just confirmed for me what will probably happen.
Hopefully it's still 50yrs away but I actually think it's much closer.

GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios have been entered.

Humans are flawed. If some Ai "God" made us then i would venture we'd be different. Currently humans are writing Ai and it is now evolving. YET, it still has the human "soul" to it's base code.
I've always felt that we humans, cannot think outside the "human box". Our thinking is 3 dimensional i guess and not 8 dimensional. I mean sit and focus on not existing. It freaks me out when i try it. Also try to think upon "how can the universe still be expanding" what surrounds the "universe" or where is it expanding to etc....

But back to Earth... "where is the ka-boom" Ai as "art" im not on the same page as some people using Ai and say it's art.

GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios have been entered.

Okay, our AI is still a newborn.

I would ask if what we are creating, "conscious AI," is an obligatory step that computing is in technological development and that we cannot skip, leading us irremediably to conscious AI.

For example, the computational language of ones and zeros has brought us this far, but could we skip the development of AI to continue evolving in the computational world?

lol LLMs are not at all in the same category as consciousness and reasoning, those concepts are just not in their wheelhouse at all. what they ARE made to do is predict text and appear anthropomorphic, but if you put cases in front of the "smartest" LLM that don't have known, trained-for predictable outcomes, it produces trash, even for simple problems.

https://mashable.com/article/apple-research-ai-reasoning-models-collapse-logic-puzzles

https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf

https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/

Here's a thought --- What will you all think when a mental picture in ones mind can be neuropathically scanned and instantly transferred into an image anyone can see?

Another words, your mental image from your imagination transferred direct to a monitor!

My answer: If I should find it horrible I may simply grab a brush and some paint and go back to painting on stretched canvas :)

Welcome to the wild, scary and unpredictable new world!

"An Example is worth Ten Thousand Words"

Well, I think this AI we've invented now is the beginning, just like the CD, then the DVD, then portable hard drives, then flash drives, then SD cards, etc. The AI we know now will be something completely different in 5 or 10 years.

When the DVD came out, no one could have imagined what a flash drive was.

Close the doors to AI now and have to open them later because otherwise you become obsolete?

Quadraw321 posted at 12:12 PM Wed, 18 June 2025 - #4497214

When the DVD came out, no one could have imagined what a flash drive was.

Writing and erasing have a destructive effect on flash memory cell (it's a chemical reaction and charged by electrical current), so it has limited read/write cycles.

DVD have the 0s and 1s engraved into their layer using laser's heat.

DVDs are more reliable and will definitely outlive flash drives.

BTW when you use Google search, you are using AI as it is incorporated into the search. So ask Google for a NO_AI search next time you do a search to keep your true colors, yeah? or maybe just drop the hypocrisy that you don't use AI at all

Quadraw321 posted at 12:12 PM Wed, 18 June 2025 - #4497214

Close the doors to AI now and have to open them later because otherwise you become obsolete?

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giT0ytynSqg&list=TLPQMjYwNjIwMjVM52khpy3sEA&index=2

MrKnobb posted at 7:10 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497007

GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003
@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios have been entered.
Humans are flawed. If some Ai "God" made us then i would venture we'd be different. Currently humans are writing Ai and it is now evolving. YET, it still has the human "soul" to it's base code.
I've always felt that we humans, cannot think outside the "human box". Our thinking is 3 dimensional i guess and not 8 dimensional. I mean sit and focus on not existing. It freaks me out when i try it. Also try to think upon "how can the universe still be expanding" what surrounds the "universe" or where is it expanding to etc....
But back to Earth... "where is the ka-boom" Ai as "art" im not on the same page as some people using Ai and say it's art.

About what you say, a universe that is expanding and that there is more beyond.

So if you take a PC and create a blank page with the X Y axis of a size that increases in a loop X = X +1, Y = Y +1 and you leave it computing without stopping it, would you never be in a space that expands without end?,

Now some scientists say that we can live in a simulation.

I'll leave this here.

I use Daz3D and Blender mostly for hobby art and character scenes, and it's true that the growth in AI image generators is huge right now. What I notice is that some folks just want the fastest, prettiest results, so they're more than happy with AI tools. For me, though, there's a lot of satisfaction in actually building something from scratch, posing models, tweaking the materials, and experimenting with lighting until it looks right, there's a personal investment in every project that no AI output can replace.

Still, I think both workflows will find a place. Some people combine the two, using 3D renders as a base for AI upscaling or stylization, which can be pretty cool. I like to try new tech but I always come back to the hands-on creative part. I like seeing how new tools can help without taking away that sense of authorship. Speaking of evolving tech, I recently read about this device called the orb that's supposed to be about helping verify your unique identity, seems like things keep moving toward tech that makes our online selves more secure and personal too.

I, personally, do not think that AI Images are Art. But that is only my humble opinion.

Many think that working with Poser or Daz Stuidio is just like, dressing a ready made doll with ready made clothes.

Opinions differ and that goes for most everything.

Raindroptheelf posted at 7:54 AM Mon, 8 December 2025 - #4502083

Many think that working with Poser or Daz Stuidio is just like, dressing a ready made doll with ready made clothes.

Photography is the same, isn't it? Except in photography you don't design the character, you may not even be the one to dress the character, and your ability to modify the setting is greatly restricted.

In any case, the change is here; you can find Photoshop on ChatGPT

Have you heard about that new mechanism they are calling the 'printing press' in production that will allow anyone to produce books? Great Caesar's Ghost!! All the scribes will be put out of work! And 'the church' will no longer have a monopoly on information! People, regular ol' filthy people, will be freely able to learn to read from mass-produced primers! Can you imagine?!? In no time at all literacy will be everywhere! Public schools might form! Traditional dogma might be challenged! News sheets might be mass-produced and distributed daily! Some company might print books for profit! Some of those books might even contain factually incorrect information! Or...gasp...plagiarism! On the bright side, artists will be safe. Because a printing press can't create pictures. Phew!

Next episode: The mechanical loom, the locomotive, automobiles, and the Internet. Stay tuned.

Let's see where artificial Intelligence will lead us. All I know is that most people do not really care about good art or good music. If it tickles their fancy it's good enough for them. I was just wondering how our future as Daz/Poser/Blender/Unreal etc users will fit in with the Intelligence part of it all.

For me it's about the journey of creating. So I like to be able to take things to pieces and rearrange them to my liking. I like to be able to play with the meshes in ZBrush and the textures in Photoshop(very old versions as I don't do subscriptions for programs)

That said I could see using it in the capacity that I would use something like Filter Forge but for me it would never be more than that.

I have no problem with others doing so as long as they clearly mark it has been used and what for.

PendraiaFaeCreations posted at 9:13 PM Mon, 12 January 2026 - #4503024

For me it's about the journey of creating. So I like to be able to take things to pieces and rearrange them to my liking. I like to be able to play with the meshes in ZBrush and the textures in Photoshop(very old versions as I don't do subscriptions for programs)
That said I could see using it in the capacity that I would use something like Filter Forge but for me it would never be more than that.
I have no problem with others doing so as long as they clearly mark it has been used and what for.

I absolutely agree with you. For my VN i would use it to enhance (as i do with Photoshop) certain images/animations but that is it. A person creating Art for me is, in creating it oneself. Using tools to do it, and not tell the tool what to and it does it.

The rise of AI in digital art and 3D rendering is definitely shifting the landscape. AI-generated images are becoming increasingly realistic, sometimes faster than traditional 3D pipelines. However, software like Daz3D and Blender still offers creative control that AI can’t fully replicate, especially for complex scenes or animations. Sites like Renderosity may evolve to integrate AI tools alongside existing assets to stay relevant.

MrKnobb posted at 8:58 AM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #2993117

Hi all. ( I hope this is correct place to ask this general question)
I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.
Also you don't have to be an artist to use Ai.
How do you all see the future for us Daz3d/Poser/Blender users and sites like Renderosity and DAZ3D ?

If keeping an archive matters, look for tools that store page snapshots over time.
Being able to look back at how a competitor’s messaging evolved is way more useful than just knowing “they changed something.”

Poser and Daz Studio content has always been content that content creators prepare down to the smallest detail for the end user, aka artist, so that the artist only has to choose the character, the nail polish, and the pose to create a work of art.
Where exactly is the difference to AI?
I see AI as something like a completely new rendering engine that delivers results in seconds that no one else, not even with the most expensive 3D apps, could achieve.
What should count in art, in my opinion, is the final result. Not the artist.
AI kills the artist and the marketplace. So what?

I do think it's definitely not the marketplace for it, like selling junk food in a health store or Cigarettes at a pharmacy

I enjoy my junk food ...and AI art BTW, but don't expect or want it sold here or at DAZ

I do use it on my 3D renders though, mostly to animate them

https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi/videos

Nursoda posted at 6:13 AM Sat, 21 March 2026 - #4504670

Poser and Daz Studio content has always been content that content creators prepare down to the smallest detail for the end user, aka artist, so that the artist only has to choose the character, the nail polish, and the pose to create a work of art.
Where exactly is the difference to AI?
I see AI as something like a completely new rendering engine that delivers results in seconds that no one else, not even with the most expensive 3D apps, could achieve.
What should count in art, in my opinion, is the final result. Not the artist.
AI kills the artist and the marketplace. So what?

I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.

Torquinox posted at 7:07 PM Sun, 22 March 2026 - #4504678

I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.

As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.

The same cannot be said for someone using 3D programs to create the artworks. Many of us have spent thousands of dollars for the digital assets we use in our preferred program. I know I have over 800gb of digital content, most of which rarely gets used. A lot of us are 'starving artists' and when given a choice to either spend our hard earned cash on digital assets or go the AI route, the decision is pretty clear. I suspect that AI art will eventually have severe repercussions on this 3D community.

For many, this is just a hobby and like to share their production rendering with us in the galleries. Some have advanced their careers with the digital pipeline 3D programs offer. Fewer still have financially benefited from their enormous catalog of content. Whether 'art' that is created or generated will all come down to money and convenience.

I read earlier that one doesn't need to be an artist to create with AI. It's true, BUT, you still need to be an artist to create ART with AI ! As for any tool, creativity is as important as the ability to use the tool. Just take a look at some masterpieces on Deviant Art, and try to do the same ! It's not that easy. What is important is you ability to create something beautiful or meaningfull for others. Personaly, I want to use both 3D and AI. Hence my question : do we have a chance to see one day Poser integrating AI ? Is it possible to combine the control of a 3D software with the extraordinary realism and freedom of AI ? My opinion is that, if 3D doesn't adapt, it will just become obsolete and disapear, as AI is improving everyday.

dyraven posted at 2:07 PM Tue, 24 March 2026 - #4504705

As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.
I disagree with this statement. With the use of AI, everyone pays for its construction, support, and maintenance as the cost of electricity and water consumption skyrockets. There is also an environmental impact as surrounding areas are effected by continuous noise generated by these facilities. That's an expensive proposition to indulge creating art as a hobbyist.

I have to agree with hborre. Somewhere along the line, these costs have to be carried, whether financially or, and this is much worse, environmentally. I am not a big artist myself, but I find AI in Poser absolutely terrible. I want to create something. I want to put effort into my results. I want my thoughts to become images. Not by magic, but through me. I want to create them myself.

AI does not create art. AI takes art from others and makes it its own. I may not have seen the right works yet, but in the end AI always looks similar. Similar shapes, similar styles... no, really not.

Describing to a computer how something should look and repeating that process until it matches the idea does not, in my view, have much to do with creation in the true sense. It is, like many processes in this fast-paced era, simply instant gratification.

If I wanted to enhance my work with AI, I could do that outside of Poser as well. So why do I need AI inside Poser?

And to return to hborre again: the price for a few colorful images that I get instantly just by writing a description is simply too high for a hobby.

Back in my day (funny to say that), television was said not to be a hobby. It was just passive entertainment, a way to stimulate the senses. As a child I did not understand that, but now I do.

Creating art with AI is, in my opinion, very similar to watching television. You do nothing active except describe something. It is as if you were describing what is in your mind to thousands of painters, and they turn it into a single image.

I think the resources wasted on this are not proportional.

Poser already costs a lot of money; it was even more expensive 20 years ago. AI has to be paid for as well. If people are already turning to DAZ because DAZ is free and Poser is not, what do you think they would say if it cost even more money just so a few people can get their instant gratification like social media short videos?

What should AI do in Poser? What should it make better? (ok the only thing I can imagine is the draping of clothes)

I get a kick out of watching Father Phi on You Tube. He, among others, tests AIs, and the results are NOT human. Not even for a stupid human. And the personalities given some of the AIs remind me of the boss (Gary Cole) in the movie Office Space.

W11,Intel i9-14900KF @ 3.20GHz, 64.0 GB RAM, 64-bit, GeForce GTX 4070 Ti SUPER, 16GB.

Old lady hobbyist. All visual art or fiction is "playing with dolls."

VISIT MY ALBUMSFOR COMICS: https://www.renderosity.com/users/VedaDalsette/gallery/albums

You can also get to my comics from my book website: https://www.vdbooks.com.

ahhh! I love his shorts XD always very funny to watch and terrifying at the same time.

After rereading this thread and noticing the commenting on how it is faster and also seeing the comment on the printing press I wanted to comment on the fact that while ai seems to be taking over I've noticed that there is also a trend to do things like slow sewing(handsewing instead of using a machine) and also using hand looms for weaving(either shaft looms or rigid heddle) both activities are very soothing to the soul in what is a very stress filled world. While AI might be the current flavour of the month I think there will still be many people(like myself) who prefer to do tasks for themselves rather than farm it out to an ai.

Looking at the Daz link that someone pointed to it looks as if they are stopping the Daz AI studio not really sure what that was though. Does anyone know more about it?

dyraven posted at 2:07 PM Tue, 24 March 2026 - #4504705

Torquinox posted at 7:07 PM Sun, 22 March 2026 - #4504678
I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.
As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.
The same cannot be said for someone using 3D programs to create the artworks. Many of us have spent thousands of dollars for the digital assets we use in our preferred program. I know I have over 800gb of digital content, most of which rarely gets used. A lot of us are 'starving artists' and when given a choice to either spend our hard earned cash on digital assets or go the AI route, the decision is pretty clear. I suspect that AI art will eventually have severe repercussions on this 3D community.
For many, this is just a hobby and like to share their production rendering with us in the galleries. Some have advanced their careers with the digital pipeline 3D programs offer. Fewer still have financially benefited from their enormous catalog of content. Whether 'art' that is created or generated will all come down to money and convenience.

I mostly use AI to animate 3D renders

some examples using your motorhome in this video (the rest is Twinmotion, a free Unreal Engine based program)

some DAZ Studio renders AI Animated

I use LTX in Pinokio mostly, on my PC

first and last frames with a prompt

also grab a daily free go with dialogue off the Wan website

Tycath is one of my channels, just not in my already long sigline, I have 7 YouTube channels no-one watches 🤣

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 10:46 PM Wed, 20 May 2026 - #4506593

I mostly use AI to animate 3D renders
some examples using your motorhome in this video (the rest is Twinmotion, a free Unreal Engine based program)
some DAZ Studio renders AI Animated

I use LTX in Pinokio mostly, on my PC
first and last frames with a prompt
also grab a daily free go with dialogue off the Wan website
Tycath is one of my channels, just not in my already long sigline, I have 7 YouTube channels no-one watches 🤣

Thanks for sharing. I commented on the YT video. I am surprised how well the Cobra Motorhome turned out with the lighting and reflections. since I am no longer producing products, this may be worth looking into.

a PBR upgrade on materials for DAZ and Poser would definitely make it pop

I set it up manually for Twinmotion but I have to do that for everything

no easy way around that

that motorhome was much easier than the Stonemason set, which has a lot of surfaces

those animated people on the street and cars are part of Twinmotion BTW

I used AI on my 2 characters who were obj imports