GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios  have been entered. 

lol LLMs are not at all in the same category as consciousness and reasoning, those concepts are just not in their wheelhouse at all. what they ARE made to do is predict text and appear anthropomorphic, but if you put cases in front of the "smartest" LLM that don't have known, trained-for predictable outcomes, it produces trash, even for simple problems.

https://mashable.com/article/apple-research-ai-reasoning-models-collapse-logic-puzzles

https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf

Here's a thought --- What will you all think when a mental picture in ones mind can be neuropathically scanned and instantly transferred into an image anyone can see?

Another words, your mental image from your imagination transferred direct to a monitor!  

My answer:  If I should find it horrible I may simply grab a brush and some paint and go back to painting on stretched canvas :)

Welcome to the wild, scary and unpredictable new world!

Well, I think this AI we've invented now is the beginning, just like the CD, then the DVD, then portable hard drives, then flash drives, then SD cards, etc. The AI ​​we know now will be something completely different in 5 or 10 years.

When the DVD came out, no one could have imagined what a flash drive was.

Close the doors to AI now and have to open them later because otherwise you become obsolete?

Quadraw321 posted at 12:12 PM Wed, 18 June 2025 - #4497214

When the DVD came out, no one could have imagined what a flash drive was.

Writing and erasing have a destructive effect on flash memory cell (it's a chemical reaction and charged by electrical current), so it has limited read/write cycles.

DVD have the 0s and 1s engraved into their layer using laser's heat.

DVDs are more reliable and will definitely outlive flash drives.

BTW when you use Google search, you are using AI as it is incorporated into the search. So ask Google for a NO_AI search next time you do a search to keep your true colors, yeah? or maybe just drop the hypocrisy that you don't use AI at all

Quadraw321 posted at 12:12 PM Wed, 18 June 2025 - #4497214

Close the doors to AI now and have to open them later because otherwise you become obsolete?

lol

https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/

MrKnobb posted at 7:10 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497007

GGreen posted at 4:46 AM Wed, 11 June 2025 - #4497003

@Quadraw321 - Interesting concept there and makes me think of Elon and ET in the same content. Elon is trying to get back home that is why he is determined to built a spaceship that will take him to Mars. The problem in his task is that he does not seem to be learning anything each time the Rocket explodes. Is it because he keeps doing the same thing hoping by some miracle it will work? Wonder if he has used AI to help him trouble shoot the problem? I have done some searches for various things online and whatever AI system that is being used has on several occasions returned incorrect information. That makes me not trust it because that means someone has entered some incorrect information. It also makes me think that AI is subjective. The system itself may be flawed because not all scenarios  have been entered. 

Humans are flawed. If some Ai "God" made us then i would venture we'd be different. Currently humans are writing Ai and it is now evolving. YET, it still has the human "soul" to it's base code.
I've always felt that we humans, cannot think outside the "human box". Our thinking is 3 dimensional i guess and not 8 dimensional. I mean sit and focus on not existing. It freaks me out when i try it. Also try to think upon "how can the universe still be expanding" what surrounds the "universe" or where is it expanding to etc....

But back to Earth... "where is the ka-boom" Ai as "art" im not on the same page as some people using Ai and say it's art.

I'll leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giT0ytynSqg&list=TLPQMjYwNjIwMjVM52khpy3sEA&index=2

I use Daz3D and Blender mostly for hobby art and character scenes, and it's true that the growth in AI image generators is huge right now. What I notice is that some folks just want the fastest, prettiest results, so they're more than happy with AI tools. For me, though, there's a lot of satisfaction in actually building something from scratch, posing models, tweaking the materials, and experimenting with lighting until it looks right, there's a personal investment in every project that no AI output can replace.

Still, I think both workflows will find a place. Some people combine the two, using 3D renders as a base for AI upscaling or stylization, which can be pretty cool. I like to try new tech but I always come back to the hands-on creative part. I like seeing how new tools can help without taking away that sense of authorship. Speaking of evolving tech, I recently read about this device called the orb that's supposed to be about helping verify your unique identity, seems like things keep moving toward tech that makes our online selves more secure and personal too.

I, personally,  do not think that AI Images are Art. But that is only my humble opinion.

Many think that working with Poser or Daz Stuidio is just like, dressing a ready made doll with ready made clothes.

Opinions differ and that goes for most everything.

Raindroptheelf posted at 7:54 AM Mon, 8 December 2025 - #4502083

Many think that working with Poser or Daz Stuidio is just like, dressing a ready made doll with ready made clothes.

Photography is the same, isn't it? Except in photography you don't design the character, you may not even be the one to dress the character, and your ability to modify the setting is greatly restricted.

In any case, the change is here; you can find Photoshop on ChatGPT

Have you heard about that new mechanism they are calling the 'printing press' in production that will allow anyone to produce books? Great Caesar's Ghost!! All the scribes will be put out of work! And 'the church' will no longer have a monopoly on information! People, regular ol' filthy people, will be freely able to learn to read from mass-produced primers! Can you imagine?!? In no time at all literacy will be everywhere! Public schools might form! Traditional dogma might be challenged! News sheets might be mass-produced and distributed daily! Some company might print books for profit! Some of those books might even contain factually incorrect information! Or...gasp...plagiarism!  On the bright side, artists will be safe. Because a printing press can't create pictures. Phew! 

Next episode: The mechanical loom, the locomotive, automobiles, and the Internet. Stay tuned.

Let's see where artificial Intelligence will lead us. All I know is that most people do not really care about good art or good music. If it tickles their fancy it's good enough for them. I was just wondering how our future as Daz/Poser/Blender/Unreal etc users will fit in with the Intelligence part of it all.

For me it's about the journey of creating. So I like to be able to take things to pieces and rearrange them to my liking. I like to be able to play with the meshes in ZBrush and the textures in Photoshop(very old versions as I don't do subscriptions for programs)

That said I could see using it in the capacity that I would use something like Filter Forge but for me it would never be more than that.

I have no problem with others doing so as long as they clearly mark it has been used and what for.

PendraiaFaeCreations posted at 9:13 PM Mon, 12 January 2026 - #4503024

For me it's about the journey of creating. So I like to be able to take things to pieces and rearrange them to my liking. I like to be able to play with the meshes in ZBrush and the textures in Photoshop(very old versions as I don't do subscriptions for programs)

That said I could see using it in the capacity that I would use something like Filter Forge but for me it would never be more than that.

I have no problem with others doing so as long as they clearly mark it has been used and what for.

I absolutely agree with you. For my VN i would use it to enhance (as i do with Photoshop) certain images/animations but that is it. A person creating Art for me is, in creating it oneself. Using tools to do it, and not tell the tool what to and it does it.

The rise of AI in digital art and 3D rendering is definitely shifting the landscape. AI-generated images are becoming increasingly realistic, sometimes faster than traditional 3D pipelines. However, software like Daz3D and Blender still offers creative control that AI can’t fully replicate, especially for complex scenes or animations. Sites like Renderosity may evolve to integrate AI tools alongside existing assets to stay relevant.

MrKnobb posted at 8:58 AM Mon, 12 May 2025 - #2993117

Hi all. ( I hope this is correct place to ask this general question)

I'm just wondering where Ai future lies. It's already better / realistic looking than any 3d Application such as Daz3d/Poser/Blender can make.
Also you don't have to be an artist to use Ai.

How do you all see the future for us Daz3d/Poser/Blender users and sites like Renderosity and DAZ3D ?

If keeping an archive matters, look for tools that store page snapshots over time.
Being able to look back at how a competitor’s messaging evolved is way more useful than just knowing “they changed something.”

Poser and Daz Studio content has always been content that content creators prepare down to the smallest detail for the end user, aka artist, so that the artist only has to choose the character, the nail polish, and the pose to create a work of art.
Where exactly is the difference to AI?
I see AI as something like a completely new rendering engine that delivers results in seconds that no one else, not even with the most expensive 3D apps, could achieve.
What should count in art, in my opinion, is the final result. Not the artist.
AI kills the artist and the marketplace. So what?

I do think it's definitely not the marketplace for it, like selling junk food in a health store or Cigarettes at a pharmacy 

I enjoy my junk food ...and AI art BTW, but don't expect or want it sold here or at DAZ

I do use it on my 3D renders though, mostly to animate them

Nursoda posted at 6:13 AM Sat, 21 March 2026 - #4504670

Poser and Daz Studio content has always been content that content creators prepare down to the smallest detail for the end user, aka artist, so that the artist only has to choose the character, the nail polish, and the pose to create a work of art.
Where exactly is the difference to AI?
I see AI as something like a completely new rendering engine that delivers results in seconds that no one else, not even with the most expensive 3D apps, could achieve.
What should count in art, in my opinion, is the final result. Not the artist.
AI kills the artist and the marketplace. So what?

I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.

Torquinox posted at 7:07 PM Sun, 22 March 2026 - #4504678

I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.

As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.

The same cannot be said for someone using 3D programs to create the artworks. Many of us have spent thousands of dollars for the digital assets we use in our preferred program. I know I have over 800gb of digital content, most of which rarely gets used. A lot of us are 'starving artists' and when given a choice to either spend our hard earned cash on digital assets or go the AI route, the decision is pretty clear. I suspect that AI art will eventually have severe repercussions on this 3D community.

For many, this is just a hobby and like to share their production rendering with us in the galleries. Some have advanced their careers with the digital pipeline 3D programs offer. Fewer still have financially benefited from their enormous catalog of content. Whether 'art' that is created or generated will all come down to money and convenience.

I read earlier that one doesn't need to be an artist to create with AI. It's true, BUT, you still need to be an artist to create ART with AI ! As for any tool, creativity is as important as the ability to use the tool. Just take a look at some masterpieces on Deviant Art, and try to do the same ! It's not that easy. What is important is you ability to create something beautiful or meaningfull for others. Personaly, I want to use both 3D and AI. Hence my question : do we have a chance to see one day Poser integrating AI ? Is it possible to combine the control of a 3D software with the extraordinary realism and freedom of AI ? My opinion is that, if 3D doesn't adapt, it will just become obsolete and disapear, as AI is improving everyday.

dyraven posted at 2:07 PM Tue, 24 March 2026 - #4504705

As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.

I disagree with this statement. With the use of AI, everyone pays for its construction, support, and maintenance as the cost of electricity and water consumption skyrockets. There is also an environmental impact as surrounding areas are effected by continuous noise generated by these facilities. That's an expensive proposition to indulge creating art as a hobbyist.

I have to agree with hborre. Somewhere along the line, these costs have to be carried, whether financially or, and this is much worse, environmentally. I am not a big artist myself, but I find AI in Poser absolutely terrible. I want to create something. I want to put effort into my results. I want my thoughts to become images. Not by magic, but through me. I want to create them myself.

AI does not create art. AI takes art from others and makes it its own. I may not have seen the right works yet, but in the end AI always looks similar. Similar shapes, similar styles... no, really not.

Describing to a computer how something should look and repeating that process until it matches the idea does not, in my view, have much to do with creation in the true sense. It is, like many processes in this fast-paced era, simply instant gratification.

If I wanted to enhance my work with AI, I could do that outside of Poser as well. So why do I need AI inside Poser?

And to return to hborre again: the price for a few colorful images that I get instantly just by writing a description is simply too high for a hobby.

Back in my day (funny to say that), television was said not to be a hobby. It was just passive entertainment, a way to stimulate the senses. As a child I did not understand that, but now I do.

Creating art with AI is, in my opinion, very similar to watching television. You do nothing active except describe something. It is as if you were describing what is in your mind to thousands of painters, and they turn it into a single image.

I think the resources wasted on this are not proportional.

Poser already costs a lot of money; it was even more expensive 20 years ago. AI has to be paid for as well. If people are already turning to DAZ because DAZ is free and Poser is not, what do you think they would say if it cost even more money just so a few people can get their instant gratification like social media short videos?

What should AI do in Poser? What should it make better? (ok the only thing I can imagine is the draping of clothes)

I get a kick out of watching Father Phi on You Tube. He, among others, tests AIs, and the results are NOT human. Not even for a stupid human. And the personalities given some of the AIs remind me of the boss (Gary Cole) in the movie Office Space.

https://www.youtube.com/@FatherPhi/videos

ahhh! I love his shorts XD always very funny to watch and terrifying at the same time.

After rereading this thread and noticing the commenting on how it is faster and also seeing the comment on the printing press I wanted to comment on the fact that while ai seems to be taking over I've noticed that there is also a trend to do things like slow sewing(handsewing instead of using a machine) and also using hand looms for weaving(either shaft looms or rigid heddle) both activities are very soothing to the soul in what is a very stress filled world. While AI might be the current flavour of the month I think there will still be many people(like myself) who prefer to do tasks for themselves rather than farm it out to an ai.

Looking at the Daz link that someone pointed to it looks as if they are stopping the Daz AI studio not really sure what that was though. Does anyone know more about it?

dyraven posted at 2:07 PM Tue, 24 March 2026 - #4504705

Torquinox posted at 7:07 PM Sun, 22 March 2026 - #4504678

I find this is a surprisingly nihilistic and ill-formed, misinformed, and incorrect viewpoint. First, you are completely discounting that the content creator is an artist, too - That many content creators make their content as art. Maybe you don't? Second, you are discounting the extent to which the customer/end-user/artist may modify and transform the content to get it ready for use. It's not as if content creators are the be-all, end-all. At best, you provide a start point. Third, you are discounting the notion of process in art. It is not just the final result that matters. For an artist, the road to achieving that end result also counts. Fourth, you are discounting the control that an artist wants over the finished product. AI eliminates that control, strips away the role of the actual artist and makes all of us into morons. You type a few words and AI produces something in response that may or may not have anything to do with your intentions. At the end, the work is still not your work. It's just something the AI algorithmically constructed and spit out from all the art and images that were stolen and fed to it. The fact that you, a person known for making particularly creative and amusing figures, can say "so what" if the artist and the marketplace vanish in the face of the theft-based garbage we call generative AI makes me want to vomit. Art is part of our birthright as humans. It does not belong to a soulless, mindless, idiotic image generator.

As a content creator myself, I fully agree with your points on generated vs production art. However, we must all face the fact that AI art is here to stay and will only get better in the future. I personally have created absolutely zero AI art, but have seen some pretty incredible images created with it. I ask myself, How much did it cost the person to generate such an image? Many of the AI image generators are currently still free. So, the answer is, it cost them nothing.

The same cannot be said for someone using 3D programs to create the artworks. Many of us have spent thousands of dollars for the digital assets we use in our preferred program. I know I have over 800gb of digital content, most of which rarely gets used. A lot of us are 'starving artists' and when given a choice to either spend our hard earned cash on digital assets or go the AI route, the decision is pretty clear. I suspect that AI art will eventually have severe repercussions on this 3D community.

For many, this is just a hobby and like to share their production rendering with us in the galleries. Some have advanced their careers with the digital pipeline 3D programs offer. Fewer still have financially benefited from their enormous catalog of content. Whether 'art' that is created or generated will all come down to money and convenience.

I mostly use AI to animate 3D renders

some examples using your motorhome in this video (the rest is Twinmotion, a free Unreal Engine based program)

some DAZ Studio renders AI Animated 

I use LTX in Pinokio mostly, on my PC

first and last frames with a prompt

also grab a daily free go with dialogue off the Wan website 

Tycath is one of my channels, just not in my already long sigline, I have 7 YouTube channels no-one watches 🤣

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 10:46 PM Wed, 20 May 2026 - #4506593

I mostly use AI to animate 3D renders

some examples using your motorhome in this video (the rest is Twinmotion, a free Unreal Engine based program)

some DAZ Studio renders AI Animated 

I use LTX in Pinokio mostly, on my PC

first and last frames with a prompt

also grab a daily free go with dialogue off the Wan website 

Tycath is one of my channels, just not in my already long sigline, I have 7 YouTube channels no-one watches 🤣

Thanks for sharing. I commented on the YT video. I am surprised how well the Cobra Motorhome turned out with the lighting and reflections. since I am no longer producing products, this may be worth looking into.

a PBR upgrade on materials for DAZ and Poser would definitely make it pop

I set it up manually for Twinmotion but I have to do that for everything 

no easy way around that

that motorhome was much easier than the Stonemason set, which has a lot of surfaces 

those animated people on the street and cars are part of Twinmotion BTW

I used AI on my 2 characters who were obj imports

Just check out Baudelaire and Photography.  Same narrow-minded, ill-informed attitude there as we find it about AI...  AI is here to stay.  Can't live with it?  Heck, don't use it, but leave those who do bloody well alone, please.  Or give up the TV that destroyed the radio, the trains and cars that destroyed the horse carriage, the musical that destroyed opera, rghe rock music that destroyed "decent" clean music.  Be consequent!!!

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 4:33 AM Thu, 21 May 2026 - #4506595

a PBR upgrade on materials for DAZ and Poser would definitely make it pop

I set it up manually for Twinmotion but I have to do that for everything 

no easy way around that

that motorhome was much easier than the Stonemason set, which has a lot of surfaces 

those animated people on the street and cars are part of Twinmotion BTW

I used AI on my 2 characters who were obj imports

I had mentioned previously that I don't use Daz 4+ or Poser, so PBR materials are not in the works. The 'Sunflyer Motorhome' from my catalog has much better material settings and textures. The Cobra Motorhome Cr2 was compiled with a third party app and swapped the Ambient and Specular values making the RV glow. In a later version I tried correcting them. By looking at the wheel hubs in the video, I think you may still be using the older version. If the material in the Cr2 (or pp2) 'white' has the Ambient level at 0.710000, let me know by PM and I can get you the corrected 'Updated Mats'. They can also be found in the 'Free Stuff' here on Rendo. https://www.renderosity.com/users/dyraven/freestuff

dyraven posted at 5:21 PM Fri, 22 May 2026 - #4506655

WendyLuvsCatz posted at 4:33 AM Thu, 21 May 2026 - #4506595

a PBR upgrade on materials for DAZ and Poser would definitely make it pop

I set it up manually for Twinmotion but I have to do that for everything 

no easy way around that

that motorhome was much easier than the Stonemason set, which has a lot of surfaces 

those animated people on the street and cars are part of Twinmotion BTW

I used AI on my 2 characters who were obj imports

I had mentioned previously that I don't use Daz 4+ or Poser, so PBR materials are not in the works. The 'Sunflyer Motorhome' from my catalog has much better material settings and textures. The Cobra Motorhome Cr2 was compiled with a third party app and swapped the Ambient and Specular values making the RV glow. In a later version I tried correcting them. By looking at the wheel hubs in the video, I think you may still be using the older version. If the material in the Cr2 (or pp2) 'white' has the Ambient level at 0.710000, let me know by PM and I can get you the corrected 'Updated Mats'. They can also be found in the 'Free Stuff' here on Rendo. https://www.renderosity.com/users/dyraven/freestuff

I deliberately used the prop version and attempted to separate all the wheels to animate separately in Twinmotion, the software however had different ideas and wouldn't centre the axis no matter where I moved the pivot, gave up, left them static

(a Twinmotion issue, not the prop, works fine in iClone and Carrara)

I redid all materials anyway as I have to for anything 

its all good 

I was only thinking the DAZ customer base was bigger if you wanted to get a good return on your work

I myself use many softwares