well things are about to get active here lol With the sale of C8.5; meaning at less then $50, I got it. Right now I am busy getting the purposly confusing files sorted.

I know they will work and were they are if they don't so...

Thing is, no CMS means not autofit. no autofit mean no genesis or G2, so I am saving my self a lot, and I mean a lot of downloading and installing.

As I have said for 2 years I absolutly refuse to use CMS or DMI. Which basically means DAZ wont be making any money off me; out side of the C8.5 purches, because I wont be using genesis.

Now I may post on the DAZ forum with my alt, wonder how long it will take them to notice? I mean no one will get that Man Stan is manstan right?

First up. DAZ content nolonger comes with readmes. So trying to install with out DIM means you're SOL. Unless you know how to to begin with.

easy to install c8.5 with out DIM, enough info onthe forum for this.

i always install myself, not DIM, so all install is manual.

Quote - well things are about to get active here lol With the sale of C8.5; meaning at less then $50, I got it. Right now I am busy getting the purposly confusing files sorted.

Congrats Stan. I'm glad to hear you were finally able to pick it up.

If I get some money this week, I will grab it too. I won't be installing it, but getting it so I won't have to pay full ride on C9 whenever that comes out.

Quote - Thing is, no CMS means not autofit. no autofit mean no genesis or G2, so I am saving my self a lot, and I mean a lot of downloading and installing. As I have said for 2 years I absolutly refuse to use CMS or DMI. Which basically means DAZ wont be making any money off me; out side of the C8.5 purches, because I wont be using genesis.

I agree. I never want to use CMS. I really can't even if I wanted to. My machine is not connected to the internet, so no software I own can ever "phone home."

I wish they would fix the darned autofit because I really like the way V5 and V6 look. I'm a really big fan of Olympia 6. HOT!

Quote - Now I may post on the DAZ forum with my alt, wonder how long it will take them to notice? I mean no one will get that Man Stan is manstan right?

Probably until you cause some trouble. LOL!

I checked and with out CMS what type of clothing never comes up as an option in the autofit. You can select which figure it comes from but not what type of clothing it is.

Fun part? This is not an issue with Studio 4.6. Autofit works just fine with out CMS. So tell me how this isn't carrara spacific because DAZ knows most carraraests wont use CMS. So DAZ made it manditory in carrara. See how much DAZ love us?

I mean I can not get any saves from studio to open in carrar at all. This uesd to work just fine; in the beta, so why or what did DAZ do to screw this up so badly?

And clone account suspended on the DAZ forum. That's ok, heaven forbid someone should have anything but a good opinioin there.

Because it was a clone account, an alt, not because of anything I did other wise.

Oh well. certainly glad I didn't spend full price on an update that the newest feature doesn't work right in.

Ok, it's official, the beta worked far better then the release version of C8.5. Why on earth did DAZ brake so much in the release version?

Thanks, Stan. Guess I'll still hang on to 8.1. If 9 comes out and blows me away, I'll bite, but I'm not going to shell out good money for 8.5 just to stay in the upgrade loop.

Quote - So tell me how this isn't carrara spacific because DAZ knows most carraraests wont use CMS. So DAZ made it manditory in carrara. See how much DAZ love us?

Why is that? Did they ever say why they made it mandatory for Carrara?

I wonder did they think about users whose work computers are not connected to the internet.

I vaguely remember some "official" from Daz saying it wouldn't be necessary and all our worrying was for nothing.

Quote - Well, scrating my head and thinking about a refund. DAZ has just borked C8.5 and any use I may have had for studio. Way to ruin a good thing DAZ. I mean I can not get any saves from studio to open in carrar at all. This uesd to work just fine; in the beta, so why or what did DAZ do to screw this up so badly?

I can't figure out how they screwed up the final release with 2 years of Beta testing under belt. That makes me scratch my head.

Stan, you might as well keep C8.5 if nothing but to stay in the upgrade loop.

That's the only reason I'm trying to scrape up my money to get it now.

Hi Stan

Glad to hear that you're on board with C8.5.  I'm looking forward to some "exciting posts" from you.

On my desktop machine I run C8.5....no DIM...no CMS...no DS4.x.  I add "My Library" via the Content tab, making sure to use "Content" as the file type rather than "Poser Runtime".

It all seems to work for me

Oh, having lotsOfun. It's not how but where you save that seems to make the difference. Fixed quite a few issues opening studio scenes simply by saving to the "my library" scene or scene subset folders. :?

I'm having issues with carrara not finding the textures, even though the pose/mat loads fine in carrara. I'm of the opinoin Studio 4 can't write an addres byond it's "my library" folder. So even though I can load a character from a runtime in my figure folder, and apply textures to the figure from my figure folder, in Studio, it can't seem to save where those textures are so carrara can open them.

This was not an issue with the beta, didn't have to do any of that before. Bets the saves are dependent on CMS?

I'm doing some more experamenting with genesis and G2, but so far carrara can not open a scene with genesis in it regardless of where I save it.

Also do not convert mil4 or 3 figures to triax and expect carrara to be able to use them. Or at least use them clothed. Seems autofit throse a wrench in to the system.

I love experamenting with this stuff. Hate DAZ seems to have gone out of their way to break so much.

One big boon, I did get a dynaimc clothing animation from studio 4 to carrara :D

Well I have given up on getting anything from studio to carrara with textures, just not going to happen. Do I see anyone pointing this out on the DAZ forum?

Oh ya, that's right the DAZ forum is just an infomercil for what ever they are selling. Not some place users can discus issues.

You know that old saying about the defenition of insanity? I can do the same thing the same way and count on different results lol I am walking proof of the chaos theory.

Took a bit of playing around to get the cloths to work/fit. The save had the clothes in genesis instance tree{?}. I had to drag them out then select carrara "fit to" and the poped right on, fit, and didn't even tickle the autofit.

Playing around with a teen morph and K4's clothes. Actually came out kind of cute.

{my testing with dynaimc clothing has been working so I'm spending a few hour reinstalling it all; oh joy}

Attached Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSgTiPEW16c&list=HL1393821326&feature=mh_lolz

ooooK after half an hour I have come to the conclusion posting a video here is beyond me.

Shall we discuss how badly Studio screwed that up?

Quote - ooooK after half an hour I have come to the conclusion posting a video here is beyond me.

Shall we discuss how badly Studio screwed that up?

That darned DAZ!!! :)

Lets start off by saying I think I owe chohole an apology. She is nolonger the prime suspect in my DAZ forum banning. I have also drastically altered my opinion of some one else.

It's also abundently clear that the DAZ carrara forum is the last place to discuss issues with carrara or DAZ. More over it's quite clear that DAZ simply wont fix anything, no profit in it. So if you have issues with C8.5 the only solution you are going to get is workarounds provided by other carrara users, and since I am not on the DAZ forum you wont find them there. But then providing a workaround points out an issue and we can't have people pointing out issues with carrara on the DAZ carrara forum. After all, the DAZ forum is just an infomercial propaganda machine. 

Ya, just a little hot. More because the post providing the solution to the issues I was haveing was pulled, then anything else. Heaven forbid some one else should have similar issues because now no one there can provide a solution.

Here is another one that worked in the beta but doesn't work now. Soft body physics on Genesis/G2 clothes. This worked in the beta, in the release it just shuts carrara down. I don't mean it locks it up, carrara just plain stops working; not using CPU or RAM. I have to kill task to close it.

I spent an hour trying to figure out how to get modeling in the assembly room to work on this dress for genesis. Conclusion, it doesn't.

And the hits just keep coming. Now that i have quite a bit sorted I'm back to doing dynaimc clothes animations in Studio to stage in carrara; don't laugh it works.

Having some poke through issues with the clothes; Studio issue, I was using a color; neutral gray in the displacement channel to just push the clothes out a hair. Got some of the worst of it worked out so went to render the aniamtion; was doing stills at bad points for testing.

Boom looked like yesterdays breafast. Checked, displcement channel had reset to default as well as the default red. Three times, identical. The first time the render room figures the displacement for the first frame, it resets the displacement channel to default.

I'm about to try a neutural gray jpeg lol It was just working to good not to make it work for the animation.

"Stan, you're talking to yourself again"

"Ya, so what's your point"?

lol :p

Talking to yourself mean you are a crazy genius and i have no problem wiht that.

I don't use Carrara for character or animation so i cannot really help you on that one.

Oh by the way, i find your thread to be informative and on some point i am with you with with Daz the way they do their business.

The side by side picture shows how well it works. On the left is with displacement, right with out.

Quote - Something I have discovered that is working well in this dynamic clothing animation; the animation was done in studio and I'm staging it in carrara, is using the displacement channel in the clothing shaders to give them just a push to fix poke through.

The side by side picture shows how well it works. On the left is with displacement, right with out.

That's a great idea Stan, your own custom "push" modifier.

Wish I had been doing this all along for poke through, one of those V8 moments. It's so simple dah. Only bad thing so far is if the cloth folds over it's self the fold gets a bit exaggerated. 

I have an animation rendering; 1/3 in 6 hours, can't wait to see how it turns out lol Nice detail and lighting, 20 seconds rendered at 60fps, to be reset to 30fps for a 40-+ second slow mo.

So Stan, you've fixed Autofit? 

Or is this a "workaround'? 

It's a work around for any poke through. But no, I still can't use autofit in C8.5. It doesn't give me a clothing type option; I can select the character it's coming from and that is it. 

Thing is even genesis cloth wont fit genesis with out a bit of poke through; depending on morphs.

Attached Link: test dc 5b

Quote - Thing is even genesis cloth wont fit genesis with out a bit of poke through; depending on morphs.

Have you ever tried the poke thru product?

http://www.daz3d.com/march-madness/poke-away2-for-genesis-2-bundle

It says it works with Carrara too. 

All poke away does is shrink part of the body. It's like cutting off your toes to make a shoe fit. For mil3/4 figures I'd just pull some pollies in the assembly room. With genesis/G2 this isn't an option.

Quote - All poke away does is shrink part of the body. It's like cutting off your toes to make a shoe fit. For mil3/4 figures I'd just pull some pollies in the assembly room. With genesis/G2 this isn't an option.

LOL! Oh, okay. I thought it did something else.

Is there a way to turn off part of the Genesis body?

I don't know about turn off, but you can always make it invisable; alpha channel.

Genesis and anything run through autofit has protected topoligy, and even after you turn it off, modeling in the assembly room wont work on it.

The problem I am running in to now is multiple carrara content folders. It's as bad as studios content folders used to be. There is my presets, carrara's "my presets" in the DAZ3D folder with studio, then each install of carrara has their own presets folder; C8.1, C8.5beta, and C8.5pro. And the most troublesome of the 3 is C8.5pro. If there was any way to do it I'd combine the 5 "my presets" to one folder. But you can't do that because carrara's content browser wont work that way.

I'm still sorting through all the free stuff that comes with C8.5, but it seems many of the shaders for genesis that came with carrara didn't come with textures. What good is a carrara genesis skin shader with no textures?

In fact I have spent a week getting caught up on content. I finally have all my optitex clothes back in place and am getting caught up on genesis freebies. I've spent the last couple of days running optitex dynaimc clothing aniamtions through Studio. And yes, it has been confirmed DAZ changed the way optitex clothing works from DS3 to studio 4 so it doesn't work as well. The cloth has surface fidelity issues. This expains the todo with Optitex and why you see little being done with it now.

Now if I ran DAZ I'd run it all wrong. It would be all about developmental partners, PAs, and customers. Not $ and profit. But that's just me.

And that is just as far as I have gotten, genesis, V4 optittex dunaimc clothing, draped in Studio 4 exported to carrara and shaders set. Now to find a car that fits that pose lol

That's great Stan! Always fun to see what you come up with.

She can come sit on my truck. I'll even wash it before she gets here. :)

Looking good.

"I've Done So Much, With So Little, For So Long, That Now I Can Do Anything With Nothing."

I live by that lol I'm just so used to making what I have on hand work, that I can do quite a bit with a little of nothing except effort ;) I've been using studio as an aid to carrara since DAZ shut down transposer and Studio finally got some tools for working with content; I went to using it for a lot of stuff. Now that DAZ has taken a big; stumbleing, faultering, tripping over it's self, step in to the weight mapped figures relm, I need to learn how to use these new tools.

As in V4 could stand a good weight mapping to fix many of her posing issues. The minute you convert her to Triax is the minute the nightmare begins. And once all is said and done it's doesn't improve posing.

I've been doing a lot of run through testing and have it worked out on how to do the clothing animations in Studio to stage in carrara useing mil3/4, and even genesis; note do not "fit to" mil4 clothes on genesis.   The 2 issues I am having now are purly financial, I don't have the clothing control sustem or animate2; or $20 a pop for aniblocks. 

This weekend I may be able to scrape together enough cash and coupons to get 1 aniblock set, just not sure which one I could get the most use out of. Right now I am limited to what comes with Studio 4. I also found; well they weren't lost just over looked, the preset settings for optitex clothes; The denim one was a big help wiht M4's polyester cargo pants lol

I worked one out with genesis yesterday, about a 30second animation, once it was done it was plain to see I needed a bra on genesis; that shirt came up high lol  I worked out a still using genesis and the optitex boyfriend shirt, once done it was clear geneis needed some panties lol Putting clothes under clothes usually isn't soemthing I need to worry with ;)

I don't usually tell stories with my aniamtions, just working on the technical aspects of it. But I strung several aniblocks together to make "the 50second drunk" with M4. Now if I can get a good runthrough with it, I'll stage in and post it; may be a few weeks I'm having issues with the hoody. 

"good mornen"

Very nice! I had a '65 Thunderbird back in my younger days. Loved that car. Wish I still had it.

When did the cost of a single character morph triple? I was looking for mil4{3} morphs for the G2 figures, couldn't find any so I am working on a work around; and we know how well those work

Genesis to carrara with autofit clothes TIPS.

Always save to "scene subset" or "scene" folders in your Studio "my library" folder. Yes PITA

Studio can't seem to write an address for textures that carrara can read, so be prepared to retexture everything. Further PITA.

When you open the studio save of genesis in carrara the clothes wont be fitted. Just drag them out of the genesis tree. Not much of a PITA.

Now for the general wierdness. Sometimes reposing/remorphing genesis works fine, some times the clothes go all wonky. 

I think part of the texture issue is not appling mats. As in sometime if I apply a mat in studio the texture will actually make it to carrara.

This is once again genesis; seriously genesis just looks better posed, V5 skin; I have got to rebuild some shaders, using adzan's hiro 3 clothes, V3's renella hair, and v4.s omaga huntress guns.

Yes, I am having fun putting clothes on dollies, DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE? 

Oh hit this and thought "cool"   http://www.poserpedia.com/index.php?title=Adzan

You're having too much fun. Stop it. :)

Makes me wish I had more optitex clothes and aniblocks to play with. Found the aniblock I want but no Pclub discount{?} and a ? voucher. Sorry, spring is coming and my jeep needs attentioin; tune up, oil change, seals are gone in the powersteering pump, got to play the neutral bump game to find the good spot in the sending switch to start it, windshield wipper motor about died this winter. That doesn't leave me much "fun" money .

As I said when I was banned from the DAZ forum, DAZ's loss not mine. I can tell people how to do this on any forum, no need for me to be on the DAZ forum to get people excited about any of this

Thanks for posting this stuff Stan.

How much trouble was it to get those clothes on the models?

I guess you do have some aniblocks. Do the clothes stay fitted when animated?

The stretch tests{9} were done by starting at 0 in in the time line and using morphs that fit the clothes close enough, then going forward in the time line and setting the morph for the end figure; a longer time gives you a better chance of a good drape, so 3 seconds for morph + pose at the end frame. {bake timeline, freeze clothes}

DO not "fit" to the non genesis clothes, thats why this is only good for static poses. For aniamtions use the proper clothes/figure. So most of my aniamtions are done with V4; don't have much for the other figures. It's fairly easy to do in studio but it's real touchy so you have to watch your aniamtions; as in any time the animation causes surface to pass through{inside arm through side of chest} things go wonky fast.

I have the animblocks that comes free with studio 4; starter stuff. I supose I could work out a scene using what I have but it's very limited. Note, you can import aniblocks to carrara 8.5; you can I wont again ;)

Oh, I don't mind resetting testures, I will anyway lol

G1; M&F, V5, M5, G1M4hirez, G1V4hirez, and an assortment of other highrez skins for V4 and M4 to G1.

It looks painful Stan.

LOL!