Lets start off by saying I think I owe chohole an apology. She is nolonger the prime suspect in my DAZ forum banning. I have also drastically altered my opinion of some one else.

It's also abundently clear that the DAZ carrara forum is the last place to discuss issues with carrara or DAZ. More over it's quite clear that DAZ simply wont fix anything, no profit in it. So if you have issues with C8.5 the only solution you are going to get is workarounds provided by other carrara users, and since I am not on the DAZ forum you wont find them there. But then providing a workaround points out an issue and we can't have people pointing out issues with carrara on the DAZ carrara forum. After all, the DAZ forum is just an infomercial propaganda machine. 

Ya, just a little hot. More because the post providing the solution to the issues I was haveing was pulled, then anything else. Heaven forbid some one else should have similar issues because now no one there can provide a solution.