thats looking weird, and was not what i ecpected from the new ff render.wanted to stop from exporting poser to bryce

On the plus side, the bug only occurs with transparency in reflections, and only with gradient values. A transparency value of 0 (completely opaque) or 1 (completely transparent) still reflects properly, although that isn't much of a consolation.

there was some similar bug long time ago in some 3d-software i don't remember name any more, and the solution was to increase the light bounce number in the raytracing properties. since i don't have p5 yet, i can't say if this is possible at all with the glowingmoth, but it's worth giving it a try.

In the above image, I had increased th bounces from 4 to 8 - I could try more, but it really should be caught on the first bounce, so I'm not too hopeful that that would help. Thanks for the suggestion though.

yep, you're right, that should be enough... well... p5 is cheap... ;]P

I am getting the same results. I thought I had it figured out but I dont think so. Also the new hair does not appear in my reflections. I am going to spend some time today playing with the various settings. Could even be a lighting setting. Who knows. Ron

funny thought: try to put something behind the mirror where reflections of transparency are. maybe the renderer thinks that reflected transparency is in fact part of the object that's reflecting ;)

If you play with the translucence color of the transparent items you get better results but it is still is not a fix nor a proper work around.

I have been playing with every thing I can think of this morning. Still trying different settings. I tried translucence. I havent given up yet. Ron

D'oh! I hadn't tried the new hair yet - thanks for the update. I've been trying some things as well (plugging a reflection node into the transparency/translucncy channels of the mirror node, etc.) but hadn't found any work-arounds yet.

I played around with the Material Room and render settings for sixteen hours, and have reached the conclusion that it's the way the renderer handles (or doesn't handle) transparency gradients. I've reduced transmaps to two colours (pure black and pure white, no grey), and the reflection renders properly. It's the in-between shades of grey that cause problems.

I played all day today and did get the new hair to work in reflections. I was getting nothing or the background color before. Tomorrow its trans hair. LD what are you setting as the value for transparency? Ron

I usually leave it at 1.0 when I plug in a transmap, but have tried other values. Let us know if you succeed.

Boy! I hope this is one of the fixes we see in the Sep 30 P5 patch.

Sirkrite... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but.. you got the same results that I did ;). I made the background a bright color on purpose, so that it would show up better... if you change your bakground to hot-pink, it'll show the problem (righ now, the bleed-through is just gray, so it blends in).

Actually.. I'm not sure what I just said is true.. but I'd be interested to see an image with a hot-pink background, just to be sure.

Dang.. I was hoping that I was wrong ;). I was just about to render a ew image to check.

thought so (see post #8). reflecting object just takes the trasparency information when reflecting as if it was it's own material. my nasty suspicion is that it isn't really reflecting with bouncing lights, but it renders a fake from the "other side" and then map it on... so it makes me wonder: how did kupa produced that reflection image - i think it was at rdna - does anybody have it still?

I don't think so, if it was rendering a fake from the other side, the trasparents would still work and you would see the dynamic hair in the mirror. (Look at post 21)

The pink your seeing on the head is the scull cap not the hair. The hair is invisible not transparent.

hmmm... can you make another mirror behind her, so that we can see that reflection also in the first mirror? :)

Hmmm.. I noted at the time that reflections of reflections didn't work correctly, but now you've got me curious to see that image he made again (it seems to me that there WAS dynamic hair in that image)... off to search, back in a bit with the link...

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yeah, i still think it was a fake. if you look at it closely, you'll notice several things: - she is not only mirrored, but inverted. her left shoulder is slightly higher left then in the mirror. in the mirror it's vice versa. - her right ear isn't covered with hair. in the mirror it'S covered to the half. - the reflection on the big ball in the mirror isn't possible that way. the image should be way smaller then the real ball infront of her. - her reflection on the ball has no hair. yet it's fully there in the mirror. to me this is a serious manipulation that borders almost to a ehm... let's not say it...

Wouldn't it be nice if the manual the came with the software explained this stuff? Or is it just silly ol me expecting too much!

I got another one for you. Did you know that if you enlarge the square to the size of say a wall, it would not cast reflections anymore? So let's say we want to have a figure standing in a lake or a pool, it most likely wont have reflections. There is definitely something wrong with Kupa's picture.

Okay Spanki, How did you get a wall to Reflect? Every time I try to enlarge the square that large, it won't reflect anything.

I think the problem is in the scaling.. it scales the reflection up as well (so far that you don't recognise it as a reflection). I still hadn't tried this, but you might be able to scale the prop up, then export the .obj and re-import it.. this will reset the scale values to 100% and that might fix it. The 'walls' I used were part of a room prop... they were already scaled to that size.

I'm modeling a high poly square now. Just got it into UVMapper Pro. :)

I have 512 and it does not max out here. Ron

What operating system you have Ron?

Win2k pro. Ron