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 Subject: Genesis 8 in Poser 11

willdial opened this issue on Jun 21, 2017 · 46 posts

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  willdial    ( ) ( posted at 10:43PM Wed, 21 June 2017 

I was able to import Genesis 8 into Poser 11 by following the same steps for Genesis 3. The Genesis 3 Poser Updater converted Genesis 8 with out errors. I still want to run some more tests to make sure everything works. It looks like Genesis 8 is a minor update of Genesis 3 and that is why the Updater worked.

I'll post more soon.


  EClark1849    ( ) ( posted at 10:56PM Wed, 21 June 2017  · @4308185

I was wondering if Your utility would support Genesis 8.


  adzan    ( ) ( posted at 4:01AM Thu, 22 June 2017 · edited on 4:03AM Thu, 22 June 2017 · @4308188

Just a question.

Do you actually need to run the Genesis 3 Poser Updater on Genesis 8 once you have converted G8 to a TriAx(s) weight mapped figure?

Genesis 8 is set up differently and the face expressions are already exposed so should work in the same way as genesis 2 and not need to be updated.



  adzan    ( ) ( posted at 5:05AM Thu, 22 June 2017 · edited on 5:08AM Thu, 22 June 2017 · @4308189

adzan posted at 5:02AM Thu, 22 June 2017 - #4308188

Just a question.

Do you actually need to run the Genesis 3 Poser Updater on Genesis 8 once you have converted G8 to a TriAx(s) weight mapped figure?

Genesis 8 is set up differently and the face expressions are already exposed so should work in the same way as genesis 2 and not need to be updated.

lol - i'll answer my own question - most of it works but the HD expression are ghastly haha - so yep you'd need to run her through the Genesis Poser Updater.

Thank you for creating it willdial, think i'd be very sad otherwise



  Kazam561    ( ) ( posted at 4:15PM Thu, 22 June 2017  · @4308256

Thank you!

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  gorgnosh    ( ) ( posted at 4:17PM Thu, 22 June 2017  · @4308257

Will there be an easier process forthcoming to use this in OSX?



  Rae134    ( ) ( posted at 8:39PM Thu, 22 June 2017  · @4308277

Could someone please point me in the right direction? I didn't know G3 could be imported into poser, thanks


  R_Hatch    ( ) ( posted at 10:34PM Thu, 22 June 2017  · @4308283

Rae134 posted at 9:33PM Thu, 22 June 2017 - #4308277

Could someone please point me in the right direction? I didn't know G3 could be imported into poser, thanks

Render DAZ Genesis 3 in Poser!!!!!! Now you can-FREE! :)


  karanta    ( ) ( posted at 5:23AM Fri, 23 June 2017  · @4308295

"It looks like Genesis 8 is a minor update of Genesis 3 and that is why the Updater worked."

That's a very interesting sentence lol and that's what I think when I see G3 and G8 on the same image....


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  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 9:38PM Fri, 23 June 2017 · edited on 9:42PM Fri, 23 June 2017 · @4308353

"It looks like Genesis 8 is a minor update of Genesis 3 and that is why the Updater worked."

This is misleading and relates to Genesis 8/ Genesis 3 when either are ported across to Poser only. In truth, when porting to Poser much of the original functionality of the latest Daz 3D figures are lost. And your comment speaks more about the porting process itself, than the actual figure capabilities.

The vast majority of improvements with Genesis 8 are strangely focused on usage within Daz Studio which is the platform the figure is designed for.

Some of Genesis 8 new features.

Better expression control with Powerpose - link to vid here

New Eyelash setup

Switched to A pose for better shoulder realism when posing

Fantastic New Skin shaders

Muscle Flexions and improved rigging

Mesh improvements and refinement

victoria-8-main.jpg



  willdial    ( ) ( posted at 12:16AM Sat, 24 June 2017  · @4308360

You didn't need to copy and paste DAZ's promotion material here. I and several others feel that the improvements are minor. We have a difference of opinion and that is all.

Perhaps you can help me. For the past two years, I have not been able to find a comparison of Genesis 3's Dual Quaternion bends versus Triax bends. If you get a chance, could you post up a comparison of the methods. I'm sure that others would like to see that as well.


  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 1:49AM Sat, 24 June 2017 · edited on 1:50AM Sat, 24 June 2017 · @4308369

I didn't copy and paste anything. I'm not sure why you wouldn't consider an image of Genesis 8 on its native platform relevant. The same with a list of some of the main features on it's native platform in the context of a discussion about porting Genesis 8 to a non-native platform. Surely the success of any port is in how faithful it is to the original? How well the features of the original are translated to the new platform?

Genesis 8 is made up of a numerous parts, translating a single part or even a few pieces doesn't make a translation equal to the original. For example imo one of the major advances with Genesis 8 is in the new skin shader which provides some of the most realistic skin I've seen, the new shader features high quality glossiness and SS in renders(As you can see in the above image). Or even how easy creating expressions has become with the use of the Powerpose editor.

Do you consider these aspects when assessing the improvements or just disregard them because it's not possible to port them using the current process? If you remove enough features in a port of course it will become similar to the other port which also did not have these new features.

Let me see what I can find on Dual Quat vs Triax for you.



  willdial    ( ) ( posted at 10:35AM Sat, 24 June 2017  · @4308411

Would you post the comparison into a new thread. This thread is about Genesis 8 in Poser and let's not get off topic.


  tonyvilters    ( ) ( posted at 10:52AM Sat, 24 June 2017  · @4308412

An image of Gen8 is not relevant here at all because this is the POSER forum. This baby has her own software to live in, so what's she doing here?

If you find Gen8 or V8 in Poser? It is time to upgrade your firewall and virus scanner. LOL.


  willdial    ( ) ( posted at 10:12PM Sat, 24 June 2017 · edited on 10:14PM Sat, 24 June 2017 · @4308473

I'm happy to report that Genesis 8 works fine in Poser 11.

Gen8Test.jpg

Couple things to note.

Genesis 8 eyelashes are a separate figure. You can treat them like a hair figure and conform them to Gen8.

Genesis 8 has new JCMs for flexing. Like Gen3, run "Transfer Active Morphs" to copy the JCMs to the clothes.


  EClark1849    ( ) ( posted at 10:50PM Sat, 24 June 2017  · @4308475

Not trying to start an argument, but to me, BOTH renders seem to give her skin a plastic quality. In the Poser one, she looks more waxy.


  hornet3d    ( ) ( posted at 4:05AM Sun, 25 June 2017  · @4308489

EClark1849 posted at 10:01AM Sun, 25 June 2017 - #4308475

Not trying to start an argument, but to me, BOTH renders seem to give her skin a plastic quality. In the Poser one, she looks more waxy.

Well you are not alone in this view. When I saw it stated that better skin tones were one of the improvements I went back and had a better look at the renders but I can't say I am impressed. Sure they are not bad but nothing special either. That said it is difficult to see on renders this size and it could be there is a marked improvement but it is just not highlighted by these renders. Alternatively they could be improved in DS but the improvement does not carry over into Poser. I would be interested to see the fuller picture here.

 

 

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  rokket    ( ) ( posted at 7:53AM Sun, 25 June 2017  · @4308493

Lighting probably played a part in the skin looking like that.


  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 9:52PM Sun, 25 June 2017 · edited on 10:00PM Sun, 25 June 2017 · @4308542

Firstly Willdial, once again very nice job with this so far!

Some of obvious differences to my eye are with the skin shaders. The Daz Iray Skin shader has subsurface scattering which you can see clearly on the skin of the ears. Skin details like pores or skin imperfections are visible in both the glossy details and the shadowed areas of the skin in the DS render. The DS shader uses a Dual lobe specular shader base which provides a better depth to the glossiness of the skin, similar to the skin rendered in Arnold which has become a bit of target in the 3D industry. The Poser skin seems pretty flat and featureless to my eye, but that could just be the lighting as pointed out.

Another obvious difference is with the facial expressions, in DS facial expressions are driven by HD morphs and as far as I am aware these do not carry over to Poser at this point. Which makes the Poser Genesis 8 smile a little soulless imo.

This is what I have been talking about, Genesis 8 is far more than just a rig, mesh and the correction morphs. And while the hurdles overcame to reach this landmark have been a huge achievement and credit to yourself and the Poser community as a whole. There is still a rather large divide in what is being called Genesis 8 in Poser and Native Genesis 8 in DS. Most of the major advances in the Genesis 8 figure are being lost in the translation process which is why it is unfair to state " It looks like Genesis 8 is a minor update of Genesis 3" as that simply isn't true.



  adzan    ( ) ( posted at 4:35AM Mon, 26 June 2017 · edited on 4:37AM Mon, 26 June 2017 · @4308554

You can improve the HD Head morphs when using the Poser DSON importer as long as your PC has enough memory.

It won't give be the same results as Daz studio but it will improve Portraits....

Daz only provided 1 level of subdivision - so just create a second level.

Go to Runtime/Python/poserScripts/Scripts/Menu/DSON Support/SubDivision

copy the file - Set SubDivision Level 1.py

rename the file - Set SubDivision Level 2.py

open it in a text editor.

go down to the bottom where it says -

if param: param.SetValue( 1.0, 1 )

and change ( 1.0, 1 ) to ( 2.0, 1 ) and save the file

all done.

Open poser, load Genesis8Female - On the main menu - Scripts - DSON Support - SubDivison - Set SubDivision Level 2.

The HD morphs will now show better detailing.

I haven't found a way of going above level 2 as I don't know the switch that tells DSON to turn of the limits within the DS core in the same why that you have to in Daz Studio.

Anyway, hope it helps



  Boni    ( ) ( posted at 6:48AM Mon, 26 June 2017  · @4308559

Let's keep it civil folks. Poser users are happy to be able to use this character in P11/PP11. That is what this thread is about. Criticizing views on that goal is NOT constructive and can be considered combative. You know who I am talking to. Any more and sadly I will have to start deleting posts and locking threads. I don't want to go that far.

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  RHaseltine    ( ) ( posted at 9:17AM Mon, 26 June 2017  · @4308568

adzan posted at 9:16AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308554

You can improve the HD Head morphs when using the Poser DSON importer as long as your PC has enough memory.

It won't give be the same results as Daz studio but it will improve Portraits....

Daz only provided 1 level of subdivision - so just create a second level.

Go to Runtime/Python/poserScripts/Scripts/Menu/DSON Support/SubDivision

copy the file - Set SubDivision Level 1.py

rename the file - Set SubDivision Level 2.py

open it in a text editor.

go down to the bottom where it says -

if param: param.SetValue( 1.0, 1 )

and change ( 1.0, 1 ) to ( 2.0, 1 ) and save the file

all done.

Open poser, load Genesis8Female - On the main menu - Scripts - DSON Support - SubDivison - Set SubDivision Level 2.

The HD morphs will now show better detailing.

I haven't found a way of going above level 2 as I don't know the switch that tells DSON to turn of the limits within the DS core in the same why that you have to in Daz Studio.

Anyway, hope it helps

Are you sure that is necessary? I haven't reinstalled Poser yet, but my recollection was that it was possible to set the SubD level (but advisable to keep it to 1 until just before render time).


  adzan    ( ) ( posted at 10:12AM Mon, 26 June 2017 · edited on 10:14AM Mon, 26 June 2017 · @4308574

RHaseltine posted at 10:00AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308568

adzan posted at 9:16AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308554

lots of stuff ;)

Are you sure that is necessary? I haven't reinstalled Poser yet, but my recollection was that it was possible to set the SubD level (but advisable to keep it to 1 until just before render time).

As far as I can tell - converting Genesis 8 Female to a Poser unimesh figure causes an undesired doubling of the Genesis8 mesh.

and using both the DSON subdivision and the Poser subdivision at the same time increases the amount of ram and the amount of time required to process lights and render the scene, Plus the Poser subdivison doesn't work on the HD morphs whereas increasing the DSON plugin to SubDivision Level 2 does,

so allowing DSON to perform the subdivision seems more logical in this instance



  ShawnDriscoll    ( ) ( posted at 10:34AM Mon, 26 June 2017  · @4308579

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  RHaseltine    ( ) ( posted at 3:05PM Mon, 26 June 2017  · @4308604

adzan posted at 3:04PM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308574

RHaseltine posted at 10:00AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308568

adzan posted at 9:16AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308554

lots of stuff ;)

Are you sure that is necessary? I haven't reinstalled Poser yet, but my recollection was that it was possible to set the SubD level (but advisable to keep it to 1 until just before render time).

As far as I can tell - converting Genesis 8 Female to a Poser unimesh figure causes an undesired doubling of the Genesis8 mesh.

and using both the DSON subdivision and the Poser subdivision at the same time increases the amount of ram and the amount of time required to process lights and render the scene, Plus the Poser subdivison doesn't work on the HD morphs whereas increasing the DSON plugin to SubDivision Level 2 does,

so allowing DSON to perform the subdivision seems more logical in this instance

I was thinking there was a setting to increase the DSON SubD without needing to edit files, that worked in pre-SubD versions of Poser. But, as I said, I don't have any way to check so it could well be my memory.


  willdial    ( ) ( posted at 7:40PM Mon, 26 June 2017  · @4308620

RHaseltine posted at 5:33PM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308604

adzan posted at 3:04PM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308574

RHaseltine posted at 10:00AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308568

adzan posted at 9:16AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308554

lots of stuff ;)

Are you sure that is necessary? I haven't reinstalled Poser yet, but my recollection was that it was possible to set the SubD level (but advisable to keep it to 1 until just before render time).

As far as I can tell - converting Genesis 8 Female to a Poser unimesh figure causes an undesired doubling of the Genesis8 mesh.

and using both the DSON subdivision and the Poser subdivision at the same time increases the amount of ram and the amount of time required to process lights and render the scene, Plus the Poser subdivison doesn't work on the HD morphs whereas increasing the DSON plugin to SubDivision Level 2 does,

so allowing DSON to perform the subdivision seems more logical in this instance

I was thinking there was a setting to increase the DSON SubD without needing to edit files, that worked in pre-SubD versions of Poser. But, as I said, I don't have any way to check so it could well be my memory.

Each Genesis figure has a Mesh Resolution setting.

MeshResolution2.jpg

This is to control the DSON SubD. The max value is 2.

Some people has said that you can adjust the max value to be 3 and get the full HD morphs. I have not tried this so I cannot say if it will work.

In the image I posted, the mesh resolution was set to 1. I was in a bit of a rush to get the image up. Also, her skin is an experimental skin shader for Firefly.


  adzan    ( ) ( posted at 2:44AM Tue, 27 June 2017 · edited on 2:45AM Tue, 27 June 2017 · @4308624

willdial posted at 2:31AM Tue, 27 June 2017 - #4308620

RHaseltine posted at 5:33PM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308604

adzan posted at 3:04PM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308574

RHaseltine posted at 10:00AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308568

adzan posted at 9:16AM Mon, 26 June 2017 - #4308554

lots of stuff ;)

Are you sure that is necessary? I haven't reinstalled Poser yet, but my recollection was that it was possible to set the SubD level (but advisable to keep it to 1 until just before render time).

As far as I can tell - converting Genesis 8 Female to a Poser unimesh figure causes an undesired doubling of the Genesis8 mesh.

and using both the DSON subdivision and the Poser subdivision at the same time increases the amount of ram and the amount of time required to process lights and render the scene, Plus the Poser subdivison doesn't work on the HD morphs whereas increasing the DSON plugin to SubDivision Level 2 does,

so allowing DSON to perform the subdivision seems more logical in this instance

I was thinking there was a setting to increase the DSON SubD without needing to edit files, that worked in pre-SubD versions of Poser. But, as I said, I don't have any way to check so it could well be my memory.

Each Genesis figure has a Mesh Resolution setting.

MeshResolution2.jpg

This is to control the DSON SubD. The max value is 2.

Some people has said that you can adjust the max value to be 3 and get the full HD morphs. I have not tried this so I cannot say if it will work.

In the image I posted, the mesh resolution was set to 1. I was in a bit of a rush to get the image up. Also, her skin is an experimental skin shader for Firefly.

Yes, using the scripts and the dial do the same thing, if you click the script it will change the dial for you ;) - but only with the dial can you override the limit and set the subdivision to 3 by clicking on the arrow, selecting settings and unticking force limits.

I didn't actually notice much difference if any between subd level 2 and level 3 on the HD morphs in Poser but that might just be me



  hornet3d    ( ) ( posted at 7:15AM Tue, 27 June 2017  · @4308632

I don't use Genesis but then I do not have Poser 11 either however, I am interested in how you get Genesis 8 to work and how much you can get working. For that reason I hope the thread keeps running. Irrespective of the figure I am not going to jump figures unless I see a real improvement over what I can do already, which is why the renders are also interesting. I won't say anymore as I do not want to add to the chances of this being locked.

 

 

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  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 9:05PM Fri, 07 July 2017 · edited on 9:05PM Fri, 07 July 2017 · @4309431

karanta posted at 11:52AM Sat, 08 July 2017 - #4308295

"It looks like Genesis 8 is a minor update of Genesis 3 and that is why the Updater worked."

That's a very interesting sentence lol and that's what I think when I see G3 and G8 on the same image....

So I guess this comment is the same Boni? A technical observation. I wonder what that 'lol' is about?



  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 9:05PM Sat, 08 July 2017 · edited on 9:08PM Sat, 08 July 2017 · @4309488

This thread was progressing as normal? I had made my statement that, in my own opinion, the first comment wasn't needed and that it could easily be seen as an unintentionally misleading statement that could be perceived to devalue Genesis 8 amongst the Poser community. Clearly other members seen it the same way.

The thread had moved on, my last comment was made almost two weeks before you felt the need to step in and publicly contradict me.



  chimera46    ( ) ( posted at 2:59AM Sat, 15 July 2017  · @4309878

willdial posted at 2:56AM Sat, 15 July 2017 - #4308473

I'm happy to report that Genesis 8 works fine in Poser 11.

Looks great! If I may ask, are you able to get some decent Inverse Kinetics working on her limbs? I recall GF3 being difficult on that front.

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