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 Subject: Daz Studio 4.9 Big Changes Incoming!!

ghosty12 opened this issue on Oct 28, 2015 · 502 posts

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  ghosty12    ( ) ( posted at 9:50AM Wed, 28 October 2015 

Just a little post to let everyone know here of the release of Daz Studio 4.9 Public Beta and a major change in how content will be delivered once 4.9 goes live..

The new system that is incoming is called Daz Connect, what you may ask is Daz Connect? Well best to head on over to the Daz Forums because right now there are major rumblings from the Daz forums over Daz Connect..

Lets just say that big changes are coming and by the looks not all of them will be good..

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  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 10:06AM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235641

I know I am running 4.9 most of the changes are good ghostly but the Daz Connect is a grey area and I agree. I run the DRM system on other software and usually if the net skips a beat some I get lock out but usually if the software content is available on a trial you get trial spattered across your screen you can't see what you are doing

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  cedarwolf    ( ) ( posted at 10:25AM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235649

Hmmm....do I, or don't I....that seems to be the question. As one of those 'early user' people because of my ADHD and need to play with new stuff and see how it breaks, I'm still a bit cautious because I don't understand half of what's going on already. Guess I'll have to grit my teeth after the DSL resets in a week and download it to a separate iteration.


  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 11:06AM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235656

I kept 4.8. Its Beta so it shouldn't replace your 4.8 Just do a backup of your content to an external drive get 4.9 and if it goes pear shaped then you have solution. I still think the benefits outweigh the negs even with the cloud based DRM management. I feel the Props/Content loads a little quicker just haven't had much time to check out both the claimed render engines improvements properly. I was going to wait and after 3 minutes like you ADHD took over I had waited long enough and all went silky smooth. I didn't do the backup of course because I never practice what I preach most is scattered far and wide anyhow tbh probably be doing me a favour if it disappeared

- Johnny G

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  ghosty12    ( ) ( posted at 11:29AM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235662

You should see what is happening over at the Daz forums the amount of disgruntled people over these changes to the new incoming content delivery system is well lets just say some folks are planning on ditching Daz content altogether and going places like here at Renderosity, RDNA or Hivewire..

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  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 12:15PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235667

Yes they said the same thing when PC club rules were changed, when Genesis 2 replaced Genesis 1, and when Genesis 3 arrived so soon. People don't like change and the venting you see is a natural occurrence.

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  -Timberwolf-    ( ) ( posted at 1:13PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235682

No I'm serious. Cloud is evil. so no way. If DAZ goes cloud, that's it, I'm gone. Bummer I've just started to like DAZ. Was a very short affaire. If worst comes worst, I'll go back to pen and paper.


  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 1:28PM Wed, 28 October 2015 · edited on 1:34PM Wed, 28 October 2015 · @4235687

Depends on the cloud system. All the Daz one will do is alert you of real time content updates, sort content, suggest products etc. Expecting users to monitor this themselves isn't working as half of them aren't alerted when a product has been updated unless they check dim every time. The system isn't going to steal your information or spy on you. Not all cloud systems are evil. This cloud system is strictly for content management and how it is handled, nothing else. Are people scared of this type of thing? Yes, but it all depends on the type of company behind the system. I don't think Daz is an evil corporation that want to know what you had for supper or monitor your private actions. We all have different views on these things. I for one have no issue with cloud systems because in a lot of ways it is more dynamic and real-time compared to older systems. Only issue I do have is some companies motives behind them. In this regard, I don't think Daz's motives are to harm users or violate their trust.

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  ghosty12    ( ) ( posted at 1:35PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235690

The one thing that is good to know now is that they are also going to allow the download of encrypted product package files along with the authorization file unique to the purchaser to allow offline installation.. :D

You know you enjoy 3D Art when you realize that your life is a piece of 3D Art. :)

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  unzipped    ( ) ( posted at 2:29PM Wed, 28 October 2015 · edited on 2:30PM Wed, 28 October 2015 · @4235698

The cloud part is undesirable. I don't want my content across the network. I don't need my software phoning home. I don't want things I paid for DRM'ed. I won't take any release of Studio with that in it (as is the current plan for 4.9) and I won't buy any content from DAZ that is DRM'ed (which is the stated future DAZ content delivery plan).


  DAZ_kevin    ( ) ( posted at 3:10PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235707

Leftover Pot Roast again? Interesting...

Zev0 posted at 3:09PM Wed, 28 October 2015 - #4235687

I don't think Daz is an evil corporation that want to know what you had for supper or monitor your private actions.


  -Timberwolf-    ( ) ( posted at 3:55PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235716

I understand, that they want fight piracy. But it all mostley affects legal users. Piracy is realy a PITA, when people start to make money with your work. I think it's more effective to go against the piracy system then against the downloaders. Like go against dealers, not addicts. About 15years ago at my school, Poser stuff has been shared a lot. None of the guys made money with it. Those nerds opened Poser twisting V1 around, giggled, shared it on and forgot it. Those who liked it, played with it for a while and purchased the next version legally. So I think, those warez helped make Poser and content popular. Where do you get informations about 3dcg stuff from? I don't know about the US, but in europe, I have never ever seen a comercial dealing with CG, Poser or DAZStudio on TV nor in magazins or anywhere else. If you want to know anything about that, you have to be allready into it, and you have to know where to look for it. So do something against the big guys. This scene is highley criminal. They will find a way to provide cracks anyway. The only ones, that have all the problems are the legal customers.


  -Timberwolf-    ( ) ( posted at 3:59PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235717

And Renderosity taught me, that not even Credit Card nr are save, so how would purchased cloud content be safe?


  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 5:15PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235724

Zev0 posted at 7:45AM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235667

Yes they said the same thing when PC club rules were changed, when Genesis 2 replaced Genesis 1, and when Genesis 3 arrived so soon. People don't like change and the venting you see is a natural occurrence.

Exactly a storm in a teacup. We should not lose sight of the fact Daz give away the software, allow you to buy products and utilize from outside of their domain, make your own content and if you wish sell it at any number of outlets including their own store. Or if you're like me export everything out for use in other software. Not many companies on the planet give you that much freedom you usually have a ball and chain. We click agree on their terms of use it is only fair we let them protect what content they do have and the vendors who produce it for their store. Piracy has all but killed the music industry and now the film industry are kicking and screaming as suffering the same. You challenge somebody who has stolen your product you get a response "You should be happy that I thought enough of it to steal it" dealing with that mentality I fully understand Daz's moves towards DRM providing it is stable system we should support it. After all you paid your hard earned money for the content you are using why should the theives be able to utilize it for free. IMO that is more of a slap in the face than anything Daz are doing. Of course they also had the option to charge for the software somebody can correct me here but wasn't it "Daz 4.5 FREE for a limited time" ? Lose in one area make up for it in another.

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  RHaseltine    ( ) ( posted at 5:23PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235726

Despite the "cloud" bit the system will work offline when complete, aside from a one time activation to let your computer verify your account. At the moment the offline download isn't available, but even without it you can use your installed content offline - a connection is needed only for installing and updating content.


  AtticAnne    ( ) ( posted at 5:37PM Wed, 28 October 2015  · @4235727

It doesn't work with Carrara. I held on with DS until G3F. Quit right there. My setup is 32-bit, so I cannot use Iray. Nor will I install this 4.9 beta.


  chaecuna    ( ) ( posted at 2:52AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235763

Extremely bad evolution. Time to seriously (not just an emotional reaction, but cold, calculated one) look at something different from Poser (check nightmarish Smith Micro situation) and different from Studio (absolute power corrupts absolutely). And, since I am programmer by profession, also time to give a hard look at Poser, Studio and Blender scripting (mcjTeleblender is a great inspiration, isn't it? suggests lots of ideas, doesn't it?).

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  WandW    ( ) ( posted at 7:50AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235778

Keep in mind this is strictly a business decision. DAZ is no longer a small shop run by a group of artists, but is now but one small piece of a $80 Billion dollar corporation, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, and has to contribute to their bottom line...

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  Male_M3dia    ( ) ( posted at 9:45AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235785

WandW posted at 10:43AM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235778

Keep in mind this is strictly a business decision. DAZ is no longer a small shop run by a group of artists, but is now but one small piece of a $80 Billion dollar corporation, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, and has to contribute to their bottom line...

And so is Smith micro. I wouldn't be surprised that their connected to the web protection becomes a reality in all versions of Poser as the other products in SM's product line.


  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 9:59AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235786

"Of course they also had the option to charge for the software somebody can correct me here but wasn't it "Daz 4.5 FREE for a limited time" "

The marketing phrase your looking for is "creating a sense of urgency" and is much smarter business than "pick it up any time before the end of the world". Having an option does not mean it is good business in the "free to play" economy to go back to a strategy you already have proof is not ideal.

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  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 10:09AM Thu, 29 October 2015 · edited on 10:18AM Thu, 29 October 2015 · @4235788

WandW posted at 5:08PM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235778

DAZ is no longer a small shop run by a group of artists, but is now but one small piece of a $80 Billion dollar corporation, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone, and has to contribute to their bottom line...

Say what now?

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  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 10:10AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235789

DAZ_kevin posted at 5:10PM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235707

Leftover Pot Roast again? Interesting...

Zev0 posted at 3:09PM Wed, 28 October 2015 - #4235687

I don't think Daz is an evil corporation that want to know what you had for supper or monitor your private actions.

Lol Kev

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  ghosty12    ( ) ( posted at 10:35AM Thu, 29 October 2015 · edited on 10:36AM Thu, 29 October 2015 · @4235790

Well considering that if you do not have a physical copy of Photoshop, you are stuck with Photoshop CC where you pay either a monthly, yearly or as you need it sub to use their software and well a lot of other companies are heading in the same direction with their software.. So in some respect the Daz thing could be a lot worse, I remember when you had to pay I think it was $450 or $500 for Daz Studio Pro and Advanced.. Also with the licensing costs that Daz have to pay for 3Delight which is by looking at the 3Delight website is not cheap, and who knows how much they are having to fork out to Nvidia for the use of Iray makes you wonder..

I was a bit taken aback by these changes at first but after thinking about it good and properly I can understand totally now for this move by Daz.. I am a hobby artist who has done some work for a small website and have found some of the premium content from that website being posted where it should not have been.. And well it is quite infuriating when you see your own work being stolen by others because there goes your bread and butter so to speak being made free for everyone.. I know that there is no real way to stop piracy but you would like to be able to slow it down just a bit..

So in the end the only way they can recoup the costs of Studio is from the content they sell and well the problem is that currently there is so much stolen Daz content out there I am surprised it took them this long to do what they have done.. And don't think that Daz are the only ones losing their content to pirates there is probably a ton of Renderosity, RDNA and Renderotica content floating around out there in the DarkWeb..

You know you enjoy 3D Art when you realize that your life is a piece of 3D Art. :)

Core I7 2700K, 8gig ram, Nvidia 650 GTX TI, Windows 10 64bit, Poser 9 / Pro 2012 / Pro 2014, Daz Studio 4.8 Pro/Daz Studio 4.9 Beta.


  wolf359    ( ) ( posted at 10:48AM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235794

This will protect Daz PA content from Illegal Distribution....for at least several hours.

Perhaps even longer than the "encryption" That was promised to protect the Sony Blu-Ray Discs for "ten years" from having the HD video extracted and put on torrent...it lasted 3 hours.

But hey Daz has to make the effort Piracy s quite rampant. My usage is not affected as I am staying with DS 4.7 for the foreseeable future

I dont need any more new content and will likely start making my own genesis 2 content if needed, as it is so bloody easy now.



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  bhoins    ( ) ( posted at 2:32PM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235833

-Timberwolf- posted at 1:30PM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235682

No I'm serious. Cloud is evil. so no way. If DAZ goes cloud, that's it, I'm gone. Bummer I've just started to like DAZ. Was a very short affaire. If worst comes worst, I'll go back to pen and paper.

OK, then to be serious, Daz Studio resides on your computer, your content resides on your computer. The only time you need to connect is to download and install your content that you don't already have on your computer or for updating the content/software on your computer.


  chaecuna    ( ) ( posted at 4:56PM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235849

bhoins posted at 10:53PM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235833

-Timberwolf- posted at 1:30PM Thu, 29 October 2015 - #4235682

No I'm serious. Cloud is evil. so no way. If DAZ goes cloud, that's it, I'm gone. Bummer I've just started to like DAZ. Was a very short affaire. If worst comes worst, I'll go back to pen and paper.

OK, then to be serious, Daz Studio resides on your computer, your content resides on your computer. The only time you need to connect is to download and install your content that you don't already have on your computer or for updating the content/software on your computer.

Yes. Definitely. Until you will again hear an ominous deep breath and a voice will inform you that the deal has been further altered.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


  unzipped    ( ) ( posted at 6:16PM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235860

They're converting Studio into another storefront. The ability to render the content you buy from them is becoming its secondary purpose. The main goal is to make advertising to the users prominent and make purchasing seamless. They'll get more impulse buys than ever before. "Hey your scene has V7 and some ropes in it - click here to buy some chains, whip cream and a new S&M outfit which will be automatically installed and populated into your scene." That's where this is going. They could have done tons of things to fix how users install their content to achieve their purported goal of addressing all the "I can't find my stuff" support tickets they're whining about - integrating directly with the store isn't necessary for that.


  Writers_Block    ( ) ( posted at 8:08PM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235866

Zev0 posted at 1:04AM Fri, 30 October 2015 - #4235687

Depends on the cloud system. All the Daz one will do is alert you of real time content updates, sort content, suggest products etc. Expecting users to monitor this themselves isn't working as half of them aren't alerted when a product has been updated unless they check dim every time. The system isn't going to steal your information or spy on you. Not all cloud systems are evil. This cloud system is strictly for content management and how it is handled, nothing else. Are people scared of this type of thing? Yes, but it all depends on the type of company behind the system. I don't think Daz is an evil corporation that want to know what you had for supper or monitor your private actions. We all have different views on these things. I for one have no issue with cloud systems because in a lot of ways it is more dynamic and real-time compared to older systems. Only issue I do have is some companies motives behind them. In this regard, I don't think Daz's motives are to harm users or violate their trust.

We don't know their motives.

I wonder if the DRM isn't a double bluff; not mention it, folks get caught up on it, when the intent long-term is to go subscription only. After all, the EULA already says 'we' don't own it, only licence it. And EULAs change. It is a logical progression from what is being introduced now. I guess we'll wait and see. Other than the DRM and the cloud part, there is lots to like about this. After 4.8 it isn't ground-breaking, but small speed improvements in render speeds and bug fixes are always nice.


  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 9:52PM Thu, 29 October 2015  · @4235880

"If DAZ goes cloud, that's it, I'm gone."

Why is it a simple name change makes people get all woggly? The reality is that content has been jumping on and off that same cloud since DIM came out. It goes there when you purchase it so you can download it, it goes back there when you use DIM to remove something. The rest of the time it lives right there on your hard drive with you. The difference is that it is easier and it does not depend on you having to start a different program. No, not every one uses DIM but the vast majority for them there really is no change where downloads are coming from. DIM skippers are not seeing a change either.

I can't imagine them ever going to subscription only because it would be a frekin nightmare for them. There are several hundred individual PA's with thousands of individual products in the store. Can you imagine the accounting nightmare it would be to sort out who got what for how ever many days potentially hundreds of products were subscribed to? And there would be no way to equitably pay PA's unless it were on a per item basis since there is so much variable in how many products people have and which products are most popular. Nor is there any logic to the program going subscription because all that does is screw up a working marketing scheme.

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  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 10:17PM Thu, 29 October 2015 · edited on 10:17PM Thu, 29 October 2015 · @4235883

"They're converting Studio into another storefront. The ability to render the content you buy from them is becoming its secondary purpose. The main goal is to make advertising to the users prominent and make purchasing seamless. They'll get more impulse buys than ever before. "Hey your scene has V7 and some ropes in it - click here to buy some chains, whip cream and a new S&M outfit which will be automatically installed and populated into your scene." That's where this is going. They could have done tons of things to fix how users install their content to achieve their purported goal of addressing all the "I can't find my stuff" support tickets they're whining about - integrating directly with the store isn't necessary for that."

Yes, they are adding a little window that will show options from the store. But as store fronts go its pretty small since it is a section at the bottom of the smart content tab. And since it is so unobtrusive most people can't even find it at first I doubt if it will be super distracting unless people are looking to be distracted. Nor does it seem to actually be as aware of my content as you seem to think it should be.

By the way what your calling "whining" is them actually listening to what many customers have trouble with and trying to address it and simplify it. I have been at this a long time and I am pretty confident about where my content is. In fact I am pretty old school so I never really learned to use smart content.... Until now. It is so much easier to really see what the content is with Smart content that when I am just looking to see if something inspires me or strikes me vs me going right to what I know I am about to use. Now if after 10 years I suddenly find it easier to locate things how much easier must it be for someone just starting out?

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Daz studio and Poser content creators

  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 3:59AM Fri, 30 October 2015 · edited on 4:00AM Fri, 30 October 2015 · @4235913

Why do I get the feeling that when the dust settles at the Daz3D forums regarding this issue, and the people who are just stirring trouble there for the sake of it are moved on. This thread is going to heat up a bit. There is lots of speculation about motive and future direction of Daz3D when very little factual evidence of that said "intention" is evident. Sure the next Eula might want the blood of your first born child but then again it might not...



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