Just for my own edification... why is it that JCM's don't work in Poser (specifically 7, but I don't remember ever seeing them work, since I became aware of them which was probably around P5) and DO work in D/S?

Now I may not have all my facts correct, as I primarily use DAZ figures, and have not cared much to look at JCMs in any of the other current lines of figures or singular figures... they may very well work on others (G2? I know Aeon family does not use them at all. Apollo?)

I have applied the same pose in Poser and D/S just to copy the JCM parameters to Poser...I shouldn't have to do that.

because the same company makes both D/S and the Mil Characters?...that's my guess....

On what do you base your belief that they don't work?  When the controlling joint is moved, the morph is applied at a predetermined rate.  It won't show up on the morph's dial.  Doesn't work that way.  They work in P6, and I would really be interested to know if and why they don't work in P7.

John

Well... I would be basing it on the fact that it does not show on the dial... and perhaps that is my error!

So you're saying that even though there is no value shown, the JCM is actually functioning?

I will have to test this, but my I have to say that my initial reaction is disbelief.  I could be wrong, but I have to say that I believe I get drastically different results if I dial the morphs up myself.  And the results are similar with hand dialed morphs and automatic morphs in Studio.

But I will investigate your intriguiging suggestion

This is taken from the Victoria 3 sr2.cr2.  I did a search for the first JCM listed, JCMrCollarBend.  To test for sure in Poser you would need to remove the five highlighted lines from the morph itself.  Work on a copy given a different name.  Try the same motion, here a Z rotation, and you should see the difference.  It would show easier on one with a higher ratio (the deltaAddDelta line), but most are probably pretty subtle so I don't know if you can find a higher number.

Dialing the JCM will show an obvious difference, since you are increasing the effect considerably.  The 0.020000 is effectively a 1:50 ratio.  May be hard to see the difference.  A better test may be to increase that line to 1.000000 in the copy.  The result won't be desirable, but will easily show if it is working.

John

Thanks for that John... I had no idea the effect was considered that subtle.

I guess my main issue here is what I see between Poser and Studio... one that displays nothing on the dial, and one that displays and obvious factor on the "dial".

I would like to say that I can visually display a difference in the morph effect between the two programs, but I have not done that research yet.  I hope to tonight.

Glad to help clarify that.  Those dials don't even need to be visible for the morphs to do their jobs.  The reason they mark some morphs with JCM or PBM is to let you know that they are controlled by other means and don't need to be touched.  I suppose they include the dials so you can fine tune them if you want, but they've never made that clear to the user.  They should explain that if they choose to include the dials, to save confusion.

John

Poser doesn't display the value of a dial caused by master dials - the dial's value and the valueOp values are kept separate except when being applied to the figure (etc.).  In keeping with Poser's paradigm, interPoser Pro doesn't display them either.  But at least the value can be examined in the Edit Dial Parameters dialog in this case.

zackly. The diff you're seeing is that D|S does show them.

/P