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ChromeStar posted at 10:46 PM Fri, 19 July 2024 - #4487505
I have considered that possibility, but since only a small fraction of my own HDRIs include a JPEG preview, that wouldn't actually solve the problem. In addition, many of the JPEG previews don't even match the HDR/EXR image names, having random suffixes that don't follow any rule I could recognize. Some others have names that don't match at all. I want a real solution that works for all cases, or else it's not worth doing. I am pretty sure that if I included a half-working preview, that would result into more complains - so please, consider that.:(
For thumbnails, about half of my HDRIs have .jpg thumbnails with the same names in the same folder. And that's basically how thumbnails in the library work too. I would be satisfied on that front if it displayed that non-HDRI thumbnail image and not the real thing.
As it stands, I consider this release a VICTORY when Poser Python still cannot load any HDRI images, and I still got creative enough to bypass the broken API and finally get this working when nobody else could. I couldn't get everything I wanted, but it's still a VICTORY to release the VERY FIRST script to handle genuine 32-bits HDRI in Poser history. Fully automated, 1-click solution. Domes are now a thing of the past, where they belong. This is a GAME CHANGER for Poser renders! 😁
Who knows - maybe one day Bondware will give us the HDRI previews we wanted? My ticket is still open at the devs internal threads. Until that happens, there is no real solution for this. Believe me - I want this as much as you do. :)
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Thread: HDRI Control for Poser 13+ | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
That looks pretty cool! But I have a couple of wishlist items for it!
I have a whole bunch of HDRI images. When I go to pick them, it would be super helpful to see some thumbnails so I have a general idea of what I'm getting. Often I have to try a few before I get one I like.
Second, since you can rotate the Y axis and you can also rotate the camera, it's really hard to know what part of the image you are looking at. Poser 13 has a dome that can be used to show your HDRI background, but it doesn't sync if you manually rotate the HDRI image. It would be incredibly helpful if your script could set up that dome and the XYZ controls handled both the HDRI background and that preview. If you add that, I will buy it for sure!
Thank you for the feedback. This script was created back in March 2023, and it couldn't be released because of 2 things:
1. The Python API command to load HDR/EXR files was broken. We can load HDRI images manually using the Poser interface, but it doesn't work from Python - and it still doesn't work even now. I asked them to fix this back in March last year, but they told me it was too broken and could not be fixed - so they didn't. But I thought this script was too important to give up on it, so I kept asking for them to fix it for months, until I started being ignored, so I stopped. More recently, I have found a workaround that doesn't use the API to do it, or else this script would never be released.
2. The Python framework has no access to 32-bits HDR or EXR thumbnails, so here again, I asked Bondware to add it to the API, so I could add previews to the script. This request never got an answer. I kept asking for months, until again, I saw that I was getting ignored, so I stopped. This ticket never got looked at, so by now I know it's a lost cause. The original script interface actually had a place for the preview, which had to be removed once I came to terms with the fact it's not going to happen.
So you see, what you are requesting here were my own requests to Bondware a year ago, and by now I well aware that it won't happen. I even started getting mocked in the internal forums because some people found it funny that I kept asking for those things for a whole year. It's important to know that only some parts of Poser are exposed to Python, so I can't do everything I want. I can only reach the parts of Poser the Python API has access to. The rest is unreachable.
As a matter of fact, this script is only possible NOW because Bondware has added to Poser 13 the part that gives me access to what's required to access HDRI from a script, which is still impossible in all previous Poser versions. So it's not that other script makers didn't want to make this script in the past, but instead, they didn't do it because it was impossible.
Therefore, what you want is what I wanted, but didn't get it. For as long as Python has no access to these features, there is nothing we can do about it.
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Thread: HDRI Control for Poser 13+ | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
Thread: OpenPose Plugin for Poser 12 and 13: Combine Poser + Stable Diffusion AI | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
For those who wish to install Stable Diffusion AI with the Automatic1111 webUI, here is the BEST GUIDE ON YOUTUBE, which also includes installing ControlNet and setting it up to auto-launch and optimize render times. Skip to 2:23mins to pass his Patreon part. That should get you up and running in no time! ^___^
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Thread: OpenPose Plugin for Poser 12 and 13: Combine Poser + Stable Diffusion AI | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
Hello back Ken!
I think ControlNet is the issue. Not quite sure how to enable it and then after that how to get the pose from the clipboard into ControlNet.
That's alright, everything is difficult the first time. 🙂
First, check if ControlNet is installed. Check the folder "stable-diffusion-webui\extensions\sd-webui-controlnet" and see it the folder is there, and that it is not empty. If it's empty, it means ControlNet is not installed. To install it, or any other A1111 extension, you can do it directly from A1111 itself. Switch to the "Extension" tab, then to the "Available" tab and click the "Load From" button to populate the list. Then type "ControlNet" on the seatch bar to locate it, and click the "Install' button next to it. Once it's installed, go back to the "Installed" tab and click the big orange "Apply and restart UI". The A1111 gurus recomment restarting A1111 at this point.
Hope this helps. Ask me if you have any questions. ^____^
--=Ken
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Thread: OpenPose Plugin for Poser 12 and 13: Combine Poser + Stable Diffusion AI | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
Hi Deecey! I recommend going directly to the source, so you get everything from a single place. Go to the Automatic1111 Github, scroll down to the installation section, and follow the instructions for the automatic installation. They really made it simple for people to get started. I don't remember now, but I think the ControlNet extension now comes installed by default, which should make things even easier. Give it a try and let me know if it helps. ^___^
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Thread: OpenPose Plugin for Poser 12 and 13: Combine Poser + Stable Diffusion AI | Forum: MarketPlace Showcase
Thanks Rich! This Poser plugin is a gamechanger! You will see what I mean once you start playing with it. This brings Poser figures to a whole new level. ^___^
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
trained on logos, which are typically copyrighted things, and signatures? ok, but where did these 'training' tools come from? companies and organisations just agreed to have their logos used in the 'training"?
The training materials come from data sets used for AI training in research groups in universities and the industry in general. These data sets have been used for research and development for decades, but only became known to the general public after AI became popular (somewhere around last year). These data sets were obtained under the "fair use" legal requirements. Nothing was stolen, or else there would have been lawsuits all over the place decades ago.
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
@Giana: Let me try to explain this in simple terms. The reason AI-generated images may sometimes contain what appears to be signatures is simply because the images used in the training contained logos and signatures. The AI simply doesn't know these things are not part of the artwork, and that's why it attempts to replicate them in generated images. Conversely, when a human artist learns art from the works of others, we KNOW their logos and signatures are not part of the art, so we will not replicate them in our own art. Therefore, this is a deficiency on the AI learning process, and has nothing to do with stealing. It's as simple as that. It's a common misunderstanding conclusion people tend to jump to because they don't know how AI is actually trained.
Hope this helps. :)
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
When it comes to artistic styles, here is the law: artistic styles cannot be copyrighted, and as a matter of fact, basically all artists were influenced by artistic styles from one or multiple artists. What we now know as the Japanese manga style started off by importing many of the looks from Disney style, and later developed into their own very recognizable style. Later on, Disney itself, and both Marvel and DC comics then imported manga style into their own art, and the cycle keeps rolling. It doesn't matter who grabs a brush or a stylus - artistic styles cannot be owned by anyone. That's the law.
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
@Byrdie: From the plugin I have created for Poser, you will no longer need to try so many times when it comes to camera framing, character proportions, and pose. You establish all of these in Poser using your preferred figure, and the plugin exports a preprocessed OpenPose file you can drop into ControNet OpenPose, and whatever you prompt will be in that pose, proportions, and camera framing. You can find a good number of results I've got from this pipeline in my gallery, and the feedback I've got from social media has been massively positive - even from people who don't even know what Poser is.
It's a pipeline that starts in Poser (3D), then goes to Stable Diffusion (AI), and ends with postwork in Paintshop (2D). This alone has silenced all of those haters who claimed that images entirely made with AI had no merit because no human was involved. Back in the early 2000s, haters were claiming that anything made with Poser was "not art", and before that they claimed anything created with Photoshop was "not art", and before that they claimed that photography was "not art". Having that said, it comes to no surprise that now, anything created with AI is "not art". Some things never change, but my Poser plugin has already changed that perception in social media when I showed the results from this 3D-AI-2D pipeline, where AI is just part of the work.
Trends show that in the future, every human activity might be AI-assisted, so AI doesn't have to be everything, but it will be part of it.
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
What Gillbrooks said is correct. The claims that AI "steals" images from other is indeed a myth spread by misinformed people. AI learns by repeating the same task over and over again, until it gets good with it. Sounds familiar? That's how humans learn. So, if humans practice over materials created by others, and that is not stealing, then why would the same process have a different meaning when done by AI? This is the part some people have trouble understanding, or perhaps refuse to understand for personal reasons. For the record, I have 2 degrees in Computer Science, and I have worked in academic AI research, so these are the facts, and remain facts no matter how people may feel about it.
@parkdalegardener: Thanks for the support and feedback. Not only this QAV is taking longer than usual, but I didn't get any notification from QAV that the process has started, which is definitely not normal after this long. If Rendo has something to say about it, they didn't tell me. But this AI ban happening at the same time of my submission leaves me wondering. I hope it's just a huge coincidence, but this sudden ban will certainly affect my product. And to think I am doing this to help Poser to get more users... I really feel betrayed.
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
The way I see this, AI has revolutionized the way people create art in more ways than people may realize. All major paint programs have adopted it, and even 3D programs have added AI generation to their tools arsenal. Some have already listed some of the applications in this thread, but there are many more. As time passes, I am sure even more creative applications will be explored.
On my side, I have spent a lot of time and effort to develop a workflow to integrate Poser with Stable Diffusion AI. I have created a plugin that allows 3D artists to pose the and frame the character in Poser, and export a preprocessed OpenPose-compatible pose reference that can be loaded into the ControlNet extension to customize and render it in Stable Diffusion. I have been showcasing this workflow in social media for over a month, and people who had never heard of Poser are now interested. I have provided links to the PoserSoftware page to those who had never heard of Poser before. They look at the results I have been presenting, and asked me what Poser is, and where to find it.
So, for those claiming AI cannot bring money to Poser, think again. With the explosion of popularity AI has brought into the community, this alone could bring plenty of new users to Poser. However, I have submitted the plugin to the Rendo QAV last month, and got not a word from Rendo ever since. I don't know what's happening, or why, but I wonder if Rendo's decision to ban AI was related to it, since it has happened in the same week my plugin was submitted to the store.
Whether or not those are related, this decision to ban AI may backfire on Rendo once my plugin gets released. Pushing customers away at a time when Poser cannot afford to lose even more customers will have consequences, and might also defeat my efforts to bring more attention to Poser, taking advantage of this explosion of AI popularity. After all the time and effort I have put into this project, I feel betrayed. Rendo has pulled the carpet from under my feet in the same week I am releasing my Poser plugin to bridge it with AI.
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Thread: Renderosity Announces Change in Policy Regarding AI Gallery Images | Forum: Community Center
One thing to consider is that AI is already integrated into people's lives, and it's becoming more so every day. A few have hopes that they will wake up one day, and AI will just magically go away, but that's not how the world works. As proven in past history, those who fight technology will be left behind. Disney is the prime example of it - they have strongly opposed 3D in their studios for over a decade, until they were left behind and ran after their losses. Their claim was the same - "3D is not art". Studio Ghibli from Japan went the same way, banning 3D from their studios until they realized that was a grave mistake. Now we all know a studio cannot compete in the market without 3D. Pixar Studios had already established that way before, but some decided to swim against the tide. The end is always the same.
Back in the early 2000s, I have suffered great prejudice and discrimination because I was a 3D artist, and some in the community insisted that "3D was not art", and wanted 3D artists banned. I have suffered all kinds of flaming for YEARS because of it, and then when it finally subsided, new 3D artists who join the site will never know the hell I went through because now everybody is welcome. A few professional photographers from dA told me it was the same with them before 3D, with claims that it was "not art". As usual, photographers went through flaming and humiliation for YEARS until everybody now understands and accepts it. That's the burden we carry.
And now, hold and behold, "AI is not art". Here we go again.
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Thread: Cloning Objects | Forum: Poser Python Scripting
You guys would be surprised how many times I have seen people in the forums saying no scripts for Poser were ever made since Poser 12 was released. This probably happens because none of my script releases were advertised on the Rendo newsletter since 2020, and products get quickly buried on the store pages after a day or two, never to be seen again.
I posted here because I was told by another user that someone here was saying Poser doesn't have a script for scattering objects. I don't usually read the forums, so I took their word on it, and showed my solution for those who are interested - I didn't mean to intrude. Every now and then somebody points me to a forum where someone is asking for a specific script, and I show them what I have.
I find it both shocking and disappointing when customers can't find what they want in the store, and assume it doesn't exist. Happens quite often - especially when it comes to scripts. Seems like FINDING products at Rendo leaves something to be desired. Just wanted to put things in perspective before you guys jump to conclusions about why I posted here. I apologize if it seemed like an intrusion.
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