i dont know anything about python so i post here and someone else can make (if posible) in poser i have my main screen showing my scene that im creating i want to be able to have that 1 window (in 1 part, not a split window) to show 2 cameras blended together for 1 view main camera showing only red channel aux camera showing only green/blue channels so i have a realtime view (as an anaglyph) of my scene rendering every little change in camera and making them into anaglyph manually takes forever, and realtime feedback of camera changes to it would make making anaglyph pics easier and faster anaglyphs are the pictures/movies that use red/blue 3d glasses

Attached Link: http://www.poserpython.com/ScriptsPage.html

no not quite that script is like 90% right but instead of the 2 pics left and right, i need 1 pic main camera showing only red channel aux camera showing only green/blue channels on ONE picture, NOT split :) see what i need now? if i have to i can make a pic in poser+psp n show o_o

If you're on Windows, I can do it. (The solution requires an external piece of code that only works on Windows.) Show a picture of how you want it....

I am not sure how to combine these colors. Did you need this on Windows? I would like to see something like this, Ockham, if you are still interested in writing it. If you want to generate random dot stereograms from poser files, that would be cool too. But only if you really want to. :-D

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph.zip

The combining action is not done in Win GDI; it's just a file operation. So it could be written in straight Python, but would be somewhat slower (I think.)

I would be interested in seeing that 'c' code if you want to post it. As for me, I am off to try it and dig out my red blue glasses..

But.. before I go.. a story..

I am kind of old. Perhaps not the oldest on here, but I was one of the first people in St Louis to own a Commodore Amiga 1000 back in November of 1985. A couple of years (or so) later, a friend of mine from the user-group got some Haitex 3D shutter glasses.

WAY KEWL. We took my video camera, set it on a tripod, and grabbed some stuff to shoot. A clay skull that I made in highschool, an old cap-gun from silver dollar city that looked like it was from the 1800's, a decorative treasure-box, some costume jewelry... it looked like pirates treasure.. Then we pointed the camera at it, shot a frame, move the camera a few inches ("there, that outta be enough...") and shot another frame.

...when we put it into the Amiga... MAGIC.

It really looked like my Amiga monitor was a "carpeted box" with the skull, gun, glass beads, etc, sitting inside.. Yet you could still see the pixels.. hard to explain how magical it seemed..

To this day I still can't figure out why 3D LCD shutter glasses aren't popular. Ah well. Off to try that code.

===Underdog===

thanks! btw.. that install didn't work out right. I had to create the camfade directory. The ZIP file has this path...

Runtime/Python/poserScripts/Anaglyph

...but the scrypt is looking for this path...

Runtime/Python/poserScripts/camfade/Outputs

It can create one level of directory (Outputs) but not two levels (camfade/Outputs)..

Once I got that figured out, I realized that the "Render()" calls were commented out. Then I had to move the 2nd DrawAll() call so it took place before the render call (the Aux camera was saving the 'display' view).

Now I get the BMP files created with red-blue mixed...

...but! there is still a problem I can't fix. The displayed image isn't showing up in the dialog box. It does create the BMP file and I think it looks pretty good. I can't find my damned 3d glasses! Any of them (h'yuck h'yuck!)... My kids absconded with them, curse their black little souls ... just kidding.

Anyway, I am off to search some more for 3D goggles.. Last time I had to hand make some.. but that is another long story..

===Underdog===

OOps, I'll correct the path and repost. The Render() calls were removed for speed, because Anxcon wanted something that was close to immediate. I'll set up two versions, one with and one without.

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph.zip

I hope you weren't waiting for MY judgement as I am apparently no longer in possession of red-blue glasses. I will look more tomorrow... I guess we have to wait for anxcon to respond to this. I was busy trying to convert Mix to python and realizing that I don't know how to read and write binary data in python. Let alone then display the image once it is written to a file! IIRC, I can't do that? I know Perl really well, and I am always struggling with what I find to be difficult documentation for Python. But that is probably just me. Lots of folks love that language...

ok sorry if i actin like a critic, especially since i cant do any of this myself :) just trying to guide it to perfection :) ok looks like its on almost right track (btw used unmoved V3 as a test to look) but when i look at the image created (without glasses, and with) i see it mostly straight, but some areas are a bit grainy kinda and window showing pic is same size no matter poser window size so that look might be the result of resizing imagine down? (since my poser window is much larger than the anaglyph window) but as for showing the colors channels together, looks right posible have output window follow posers window size? so both show exact same size pics, if posible current one too small for me :) 27 inch monitor next when i click on "show" i get alot of lag suddenly while the files are saved and loaded from my harddive is it posible to leave entire process in ram? and while the "show" button helps speed up the whole testing angles alot (this idea will kill my comp tho if the pictures arent totally handled in ram), a "Live" button to cause the window to do live updates, and work more like poser main window does, would add both speed and even better end pics assuming you can get above 2 ideas to work, i noticed the window doesnt show while im changing a dial for camera is there a way for the window to stay on top always? if so, add a "always on top" button the live part would require it, while other parts it would cause more annoyance than good, so ya button :) umm should probably shut up now :) just tryin be thorough if above stuff is done, ill add more input maybe lol thanks :)

heh heh heh.. I am still waiting for the random dot stereograms!! (just kidding)

anyway.. I wonder if setting your output window in the animation properties would change the render window size? either there or the render options..

try changing either..
"Animation->Animation Setup"
or..
"Render->Render Options"
...and see if that changes your output window size.

Also, FYI.. I think you are going to run into problems with the way Poser handles interactivity really soon now. Poser doesn't do the "remain on top and still let me click the camera" stuff very well if at ALL.. Just a sad but true fact.

I am out of my depth on this stuff, so I can't help. I can nit-pick some directory issues and then I pretty much have to step aside. I can tell you that saving to RAM instead of disk seems unlikely. The problem is that Poser only lets you do certain things, and if they aren't there.. well it's pretty tough if even possible to do them.

For example.. wouldn't you think it would be easy to create an AVI (movie) file using Poser python? It's NOT. You can create sequences of images, and you can create a flash movie (SWF), but you can't create an AVI. It isn't supported by the poser library.

So buffering images in RAM is pretty tough. But it doesn't hurt to ask, eh?

BTW, ockham, looking at that 'c' code for the bitmap manipulation: shouldn't you be doing an 'fseek()' on the GrnFile for 36 bytes after reading the header from RedFile? If not, won't GrnFile be off by 36 bytes?

Oh and anxcon, I am wrong about the Render Options / Animation Setup stuff. That preview window is hardcoded in the python script. You might be able to change the number. You can definately find the "out.BMP" file and see what it looks like at full resolution. That file is in.. .../Runtime/Python/poserScripts/Anaglyph/Outputs/out.BMP

o another thought if you cant have the "always on top" part for the window while clicking cam controls, then what about on the window, have 2 arrows, right and left, a click changes X orbit of Aux came by +/- 0.1 degrees, or a box to enter amount that each click effects it then a number is also displayed showing value of X orbit Aux - Main = # (ie 23.4 - 21 = 2.4) and posibly when script is first started, Aux cam copies all stats from main cam and changes X orbit to Main +2 (default startup)

Okay, I'm awake again. Sort of. Underdog: Thanks for the fseek catch! That was exactly why the pictures were unsynchronized. Anxcon: I can certainly do the Main/Aux action as you describe; but shouldn't it be Y orbit instead of X orbit?

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph.zip

I gotta say, Ockham: I sure hope you are stinkin' rich from whatever you do as your "day job". All of this free help is wonderful. Everyone already knows this, but it doesn't hurt repeating it..

All Right Then. This weekend I really HAVE to get that Poser Python Script Archive working.

I put a few hours into the upload page this last week, and I almost have it ready, but I am still trying to get the organization of the catalog right once the files are uploaded.

Anyone reading this want to suggest categories for Poser Python scripts? Message edited on: 02/05/2005 11:45

I'm happy you're serving as Editor or Beta for these. Seems like I'm missing a lot of details in the last week or so. This seems to happen about twice a year; means it's time for a break from programming to defrag the old "wet RAM". -------- Some categories that seem likely: Lights Camera Textures Morph and magnet organizers Animation helpers (Naturalizer, randomizers) Multiple prop / Multiple figure control Sound and music Render control File organizers (Extractors)

i installed the recent files and used even tried reinstall 4 times but its acting like no last version like no changes were made -.- ill fiddle with it little more and be back in a few

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph3.zip

Try this link with a different version name.
Also, be sure to install "manually" by extracting the
files into a temp folder, then moving to Poser area.

Message edited on: 02/05/2005 15:04

Note the switch to 3 in the link above, not 2. Last minute correction!

i always install manually :) brb testing

Python Powered Props. Could also be called Kits.... a prop or figure that uses a custom script to run itself, or a script that is tied to a custom set of "stock" props like my Weather kit.

so "enter" key sets the value*

I wouldn't worry too much about the beta stuff ockham. I sure as hell don't want anyone to hold my feet to the fire for a wrong directory name and stuff like that. If they do, they can find their free stuff elsewhere, fur shure. You just keep crankin' them out and I will try to keep you honest from time to time. :-D ===Underdog===

_anaglyphmodule15 62,464 bytes 2/5/05 6:17 AM _anaglyphmodule22 65,536 bytes 2/5/05 6:18 PM both of those came with the zip and are in dll folder

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph4.zip

as for the aux cam coords, 3 options 1) show the "difference" in degrees (my prefered way) 2) show both main and aux yorbit 3) show "center point" and a 2nd window shows "+/- #" meaning main is center - # and aux is center + # but you would have to change the arrow keys to effect main and aux yorbit when clicked, so center stays same id take option 1 or 3, 3 is accually lil nicer but then it effects main camera, when i use that to do things so option 1 is best, but your choice to add others ill test latest update :)

no ideas for the line problem, you on pc or mac? me pc does your code care the poser window size? perhaps some resizing is going on somewhere? Out looks same size as the window in poser tho, so thats straight

It shouldn't be affected by the display size. The mix action just reads two BMP files, skips the header part, then combines the pixels one by one, with red from the Main (RED.BMP) and green and blue from the Aux (GRN.BMP) Red file...r.g.b.r.g.b.r.g.b Grn file...R.G.B.R.G.B.R.G.B Out file...r.G.B.r.G.B.r.G.B It's all PC; if you were on Mac, it wouldn't even begin to work.

The only way this could fail is if your BMP files don't follow this same format. I thought all Poser BMPs used the same format, but maybe not.... Could you ZIP up one of your RED.BMP files and send it to me? Posting it here won't help; no telling what the net does to an image. email occam24@aol.com

uh. I posted the same idea and then finally READ what ockham had already suggested. oops.. :)

Message edited on: 02/05/2005 22:56

Attached Link: http://www.fantasy3d.com/pfiles/python/Anaglyph4B.zip

I changed it to not render images until you click the Show button. I also added a mouse click event to START the Out.BMP file with whatever you have associated with the BMP suffix on your box.

Feedback is appreciated!

"Could you ZIP up one of your RED.BMP files and send it to me? Posting it here won't help; no telling what the net does to an image." forum doesnt accept bmp anyways :) had to convert to jpg sent you red/grn/out hope you dont mind the model :) just the project i saved for testing the script lol also a new addition to the cam controls have it so when you change yorbit on aux cam it cant go any less than yorbit of main cam cuz the anaglyph work by having right/left pics its not really needed, just an "idiot proof" feature lol as for my bmp format, i didnt know was different kinds of bmp :S have fun :)

OK, I'll put in the leftward limit. Makes sense. Analyzing the BMPs now; they appear to be the same format, so that's not the problem. There are different BMP types, for 2-color, 256-color, and 'palette' vs 'RGB' true color. It didn't seem likely that Poser would use different types on different computers, but Poser is full of mysteries, and I wanted to be sure.

oooooooooo ya
i kinda knew that color thing from like 10 years ago
dunno why it didnt pop in before :S

sits and awaits next update dont forget underdog's files :P i posted same time as you :S glad ya found it :D this could be best plugin ever ya know :D

Message edited on: 02/06/2005 12:20

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph5.zip

Attached Link: http://ockhamsbungalow.com/PPP/Anaglyph6.zip

Message edited on: 02/06/2005 14:43

brb testing ^_^

nope still the same mixing problem for me perhaps tell the window size you are using? i can test at that size and see if it works :)

Hmm. My standard size is around 400 x 400.