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Subject: Poser 12 Renders


TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Fri, 20 November 2020 at 12:25 AM · edited Sun, 28 November 2021 at 4:43 PM

I would really love to see your Poser 12 renders. Any kind. ? Here my Butterfly light test. Light source , 1 Spotlight ,strength 30% Backdrop , dark brown tone. The Construct is blacked out. DOF set at 5.6

Still not 100% I would like to have it, but close enough to post. LF Eyeshader and hairshader by Ghostship2, skin default , glossy reduced. Now you ?

Butterfly test.jpg

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Wed, 16 December 2020 at 11:59 AM

Another portrait with my light experiments LF Character Tempesta Hair Bisquit Matilda.jpg

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hborre ( ) posted Wed, 16 December 2020 at 12:13 PM
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So far, all these renders look exceptional. @TheAnimaGemini, thank you for the shader recipe, it looks amazing. I'll pop it into my custom cycles Library folder.


TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Wed, 16 December 2020 at 12:33 PM

hborre posted at 12:31PM Wed, 16 December 2020 - #4407739

So far, all these renders look exceptional. @TheAnimaGemini, thank you for the shader recipe, it looks amazing. I'll pop it into my custom cycles Library folder.

Welcome. You can tweak it on the Layer Weight node. The blend you can change in another value.

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Miss B ( ) posted Wed, 16 December 2020 at 2:16 PM

Great looking renders @ghostship2 and @TheAnimaGemini, and thanks from me too for that Emissive Shader. I'm definitely going to be playing with it. 😉

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 6:03 AM

Miss B posted at 5:08AM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407750

Great looking renders @ghostship2 and @TheAnimaGemini, and thanks from me too for that Emissive Shader. I'm definitely going to be playing with it. 😉

@Miss B Thanks. Here I have another interesting shader variation for émissive. Make the actual emissive prop invisible In this picture La Femme has a gigantic Sphere over her head. But when you just want the light and effect, here is the shader to make it invisible. I think great for Sci Fi or Cyberpunk renders. I use here the big emission sphere and as rim light I use HDRI , dim it down to dark grey and block it with just a background prop. I actually love to use HDRI for Rim lights. Gives nice effect.

Invisible emission.PNG

emission invisible.png

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 7:34 AM
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TheAnimaGemini posted at 7:34AM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407786

Awesome. thanks

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 11:11 AM · edited Thu, 17 December 2020 at 11:12 AM

Y-Phil posted at 11:08AM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407793

TheAnimaGemini posted at 7:34AM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407786

Awesome. thanks

Welcome. They are not perfect , but should do the job when you need some nice effects. For the HDRI rim light I use to plug in the texture coordinate in the reflection slot. This way I have only the reflection from the HDRI.

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Miss B ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 12:44 PM

That's definitely an interesting way to set up a Rim light. Thanks from me as well. 🙂

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 5:18 PM
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TheAnimaGemini posted at 5:15PM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407732

In fact, your idea of an emissive shader, applied to the construct's background, creates a kind of Global Illumination. I've used it here, with Bagginsbill's Fog Capsule to create this atmosphere...

Clara (foggy night)

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 8:43 PM

@y-Phil This looks awesome. Nice idea :) Mystic

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 8:48 PM

Miss B posted at 8:43PM Thu, 17 December 2020 - #4407816

That's definitely an interesting way to set up a Rim light. Thanks from me as well. 🙂

I rarely use HDRI as full light. I think it gives me not enough control over my light and shadows in the scene. I use HDRI mostly as a small fill, or rim light. Blend it out with a backdrop or props , drop the strength and set up lights individually. It works great in Blender, now I have to convert this method seamless in Poser. Still some small problems to solve, because Poser behave different, but almost there. :)

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hborre ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 10:55 PM
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@ Y-Phil: Try adding a Blackbody node to the emission color connector and you can create global illumination to the exact color temperature of your environment. The shader below is my setup for having different Kevin degree values for different lighting conditions. Combining the TheAnimaGemini node arrangement, I can control color temperature and modulate the brightness.

image.png

I would stay away from color temperatures around 1500 degrees, that is the color of candlelight and it does not render well as global illumination.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 17 December 2020 at 10:59 PM

a wallpaper texture that uses a map to alternate between metallic gold and red velvet. A little on the weird side. Paisley wallpaper.jpg

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 1:03 AM

@Ghostship2 Looks interesting. Like it.

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 1:19 AM

I am currently testing out some glass shader. Glasstest.jpg

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ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 10:16 AM

Testing out the Post FX in Poser 12. Mesh lights only for this so the image was a little dark and noisy. De-noised and exposure kicked up. P12 Bottles.jpg

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 12:21 PM
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Wonderful render. Is that Russian Vodka?


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 1:27 PM

hborre posted at 1:26PM Fri, 18 December 2020 - #4407893

Wonderful render. Is that Russian Vodka?

This is part of Santuzi78's billiard room. I think he's Russian.

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 1:52 PM
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Cognac. My wife translated it.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 3:40 PM

hborre posted at 3:40PM Fri, 18 December 2020 - #4407899

Cognac. My wife translated it.

I thought it was white wine so I colored it pale yellow. lol

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 11:03 PM

@Ghostship2 Insane render. Did you find out some cheap tricks for the Post FX? I am still struggling with it. I find it blurs to much and remove details.

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ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 18 December 2020 at 11:49 PM

@TheAnimaGemini tricks for the noise reduction: 1) large renders (i normally do 1920x1080). 2) only use it on the most stubborn renders and only after LOTS of samples. This image is 70 samples (4900 samples). It worked well on this but I've had the same issues as you with it blurring things too much on other renders. Another version with a different camera position, sub d on the bottles and higher exposure setting (more than 3 on the FX setting) P12 Bottles 2.jpg

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ChromeStar ( ) posted Sat, 19 December 2020 at 11:48 PM
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It seems to use some algorithm to try to estimate what's a feature and what's noise, and adjust the scale of noise removal accordingly. The more noise, the larger the scale of the smoothing. Here's a render I did at super low quality (just 3 samples!) and way too much light. I hadn't meant to leave the denoise on, it was just a quick lighting test. But the effect is pretty interesting even if it isn't what I meant at all.... turned it into something like brushstrokes.

Stygian Tunnels dynamo chamber original lighting denoised.jpg

Since I'm posting that, here's something that came out how I intended, from the same set of models (by Nightshift3d):

Stygian Tunnels boiler room view lava dark.jpg


ghostship2 ( ) posted Sun, 20 December 2020 at 12:34 PM

@ChromeStar how many diffuse bounces and what kind of lights are you using for the second image?

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Sun, 20 December 2020 at 10:37 PM

@Ghostship2 Thanks. This is what I use too. Large render and a lot of samples. And if there are still noises, I use the FX.

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TheAnimaGemini ( ) posted Sun, 20 December 2020 at 10:39 PM

ghostship2 posted at 10:39PM Sun, 20 December 2020 - #4407907

hborre posted at 3:40PM Fri, 18 December 2020 - #4407899

Cognac. My wife translated it.

I thought it was white wine so I colored it pale yellow. lol

Well Cognac is some kind of vine too LOL

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ChromeStar ( ) posted Mon, 21 December 2020 at 12:18 AM
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@ghostship2 I'll check tomorrow, I gave Poser a lot of frames to render overnight. :) If I remember correctly, the lights are all either point lights or emissive materials, and diffuse bounces may be on the default.


ChromeStar ( ) posted Mon, 21 December 2020 at 2:14 PM
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@ghostship2 There are four point lights down in the pit, plus a sheet of lava which is an emissive surface (physicalsurface root node, emission strength set to 1 with a fairly bright image map attached). The eyes are emissive surfaces too. Then a pair of point lights out past the doorway (i.e. not in this room), you can see one through the portcullis and the other is behind the camera.

Diffuse bounces was only set to 1. Since you asked about it, I tried a render with it raised to 4. As you might expect, that fills in the shadows quite a bit. Light bounces around more, and gets to more of those places. In this case I like it better with the lower value. The higher value did reduce the graininess, probably just because there is more light.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Tue, 22 December 2020 at 9:12 PM

ChromeStar posted at 9:09PM Tue, 22 December 2020 - #4408148

@ghostship2 There are four point lights down in the pit, plus a sheet of lava which is an emissive surface (physicalsurface root node, emission strength set to 1 with a fairly bright image map attached). The eyes are emissive surfaces too. Then a pair of point lights out past the doorway (i.e. not in this room), you can see one through the portcullis and the other is behind the camera.

Diffuse bounces was only set to 1. Since you asked about it, I tried a render with it raised to 4. As you might expect, that fills in the shadows quite a bit. Light bounces around more, and gets to more of those places. In this case I like it better with the lower value. The higher value did reduce the graininess, probably just because there is more light.

I'd set diffuse bounces to 6, make sure the point lights were on inverse square and then adjust the exposure down (post FX) after render to your liking. As is it looks like a video game render. No trying to offend just here to help!

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ChromeStar ( ) posted Tue, 22 December 2020 at 10:50 PM
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Hmm, never played with the attenuation setting on the lights before. They were on constant which seems to be the default. I take it the inverse square setting causes the light to fall off more with distance? So instead of the corners being dark due to light not having enough bounces to get there, they are dark because the light has fallen off with path length. I will have to remember that.

I did have to triple the intensity of all the lights (which makes sense), could probably have gone even higher but that at least let me crank up the exposure without adding too much noise. Also doubled the number of samples. But I see what you mean. The eyes are particularly improved (do emissive materials in superfly attenuate at the inverse square rate too?). I tried the denoise again, and while it completely removes all the noise, even at 50 samples here it seems like it is erasing too much detail. Can't complain too much about the number of samples though, it was still only a five minute render with optix.

Stygian Tunnels boiler room view lava dark new.jpg


ghostship2 ( ) posted Tue, 22 December 2020 at 11:50 PM

constant means the light never falls off. Inverse square is how lights look/work in the real world. Very bright when close and natural falloff.

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hborre ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 8:49 AM
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Yes, you can attenuate emissive mesh lighting by adding a LightFalloff node to the strength connector of the Emission node as illustrated below:

image.png

Use the Quadratic connector, it attenuates the light, and control the intensity with the strength value on that node. That Blackbody node controls the light temperature in degrees Kevin, you can simulate different types of lights like candlelight to bright midday lighting. Depending on the temperature range, you can imitate LED, incandescence, halogen, etc.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 11:28 AM

@hborre I'm pretty sure mesh lights are inverse square falloff by default. If you make a square mesh light the same size as an area light you'll get the same light result.

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hborre ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 2:00 PM
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You may be right about that. I was giving it some thought and my initial feeling tends to lean towards the emission lighting already emits as an inverse square. I'll find time to play around with those settings to see what conclusions I come up with.


hborre ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 2:54 PM
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This is the link to the online Blender reference manual: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/render/shader_nodes/color/light_falloff.html?highlight=light%20falloff

It explains the LightFalloff node and its settings. The Poser node does the exact same effect as described on the website.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 4:17 PM

@hborre looks like the intention of the light falloff node is so you can have mesh lights that don't work on inverse square for special effects.

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hborre ( ) posted Wed, 23 December 2020 at 4:47 PM
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That's what it appears to do. I ran a whole series of renders changing the smooth value combined with the Quadratic connector and found that you can modulate the light emission intensity without losing the source mesh light intensity. This is particularly helpful if you are placing an image on a prop or plane and want to control the emission without losing details on the image.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Mon, 28 December 2020 at 9:40 PM

a winter fashion image. I'm guilty of being a dude who has bought women's fashion magazines in the past. Get in the checkout line when no one is around. lol Rene Fashion.jpg

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hborre ( ) posted Mon, 28 December 2020 at 10:01 PM
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I won't tell. Very nice.


RedPhantom ( ) posted Mon, 28 December 2020 at 10:56 PM
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you obviously bought them for reference material. If a writer can lookup 50 ways to dispose of a body and no one bats an eye, than an artist can buy fashion magazines


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Y-Phil ( ) posted Tue, 29 December 2020 at 10:20 AM
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ghostship2 posted at 10:20AM Tue, 29 December 2020 - #4408837

Wow... splendid picture

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Tue, 29 December 2020 at 10:31 AM
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Santa was good to me this year and I found Poser 12 under the tree.(okay, not literally) Here's my first render with it

Dark elf.png


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ghostship2 ( ) posted Tue, 29 December 2020 at 11:03 PM

@RedPhantom dark elf? cool!

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Wed, 30 December 2020 at 11:50 AM
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Was trying out the new principled hair shader. it works decent, but the thickness of the strands mattered. I couldn't go as low as I usually like.

portrait 2.png


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ghostship2 ( ) posted Wed, 30 December 2020 at 12:41 PM

wow! can you share that shader setup? I haven't messed with that node yet because of the tangent issue.

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Wed, 30 December 2020 at 2:46 PM
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It's not a complicated setup. I just played around with some values until I got something decent. I don't know about any tangent issue.

hair shader.JPG


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Y-Phil ( ) posted Wed, 30 December 2020 at 7:53 PM · edited Wed, 30 December 2020 at 7:53 PM
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I finally got the settings I was looking for: the base layer is using the PrincipledBSDF node, without specular, but with a mix of transparency and a working anisotropy in a second layer. Scene lit with an HDRi on the background node + a big area light.

Tanya and Carly

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elena_c ( ) posted Sun, 03 January 2021 at 12:25 PM

Remember Apollo? Here he is with his textures adjusted for Cycles, wearing WildHairMale, also with a Cycles shader.

Apollo P12.jpg


Varnayrah ( ) posted Mon, 04 January 2021 at 10:11 AM

And after finding Poser 12 under the christmas tree... PlainStarlight.jpg


RAMWolff ( ) posted Mon, 04 January 2021 at 11:26 AM

WOW, Great images here folks!

WildManeHair. I beta tested that eon's ago. I used to have it but I can't find it any more, since I didn't have to pay for it, it was probably on some hard drive that crashed and burned. Nice to see Apollo again!

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