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Subject: QuadroRTX?


ragde42 ( ) posted Thu, 04 June 2020 at 1:59 AM · edited Sat, 04 May 2024 at 6:00 AM

I love use poser but i use many other design programs too, i'm thinking in get the Quadro RTX 4000 or the RTX 2080 soon

the latest update of poser let use the RTX meaning the RTX 2080 have to work perfectly i think, but Quadro too?

the RTX drivers they add include the ones for RTX Quadro too? (i really dont know if it include ALL RTX or if the quadro use different ones, i dont know anything about that)

I enjoy more doing 3D stuff than playing games so i prefer the Quadro, but cant get out that question of my head

thanks for the help


3D-Mobster ( ) posted Fri, 05 June 2020 at 4:44 AM

Have no clue.

However it seems to me that a lot of render engines are massively improving in the GPU rendering department. So even if Poser can't do it, it would probably be good for the others in the future. However want to stress that this is simply the impression I have, not sure if its true or not.

I my self having a fairly old computer have been (and probably will) upgrade it to a Ryzen 9 CPU, which seems to shine compared to Intel when it comes to multi threading.


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 05 June 2020 at 1:55 PM

I just got the RTX 2060 super in April. Runs slower than my old GTX980 card when by itself, runs a little faster than my GTX card when paired with it. My guess is Poser has not been optimized for the RTX cards yet. Maybe when Poser 12 comes out?

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


R_Hatch ( ) posted Sat, 06 June 2020 at 12:08 AM

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WDBeaver ( ) posted Sat, 06 June 2020 at 12:45 PM

ghostship2 posted at 12:43PM Sat, 06 June 2020 - #4390956

I just got the RTX 2060 super in April. Runs slower than my old GTX980 card when by itself, runs a little faster than my GTX card when paired with it. My guess is Poser has not been optimized for the RTX cards yet. Maybe when Poser 12 comes out?

I believe that all that has been done is the coding to recognize the 2000 series properly, and some basic function addition. It will be at least 12 before any reaal optimizing is done, as 11.3 is supposed to be the end of that codebase.


ragde42 ( ) posted Sun, 07 June 2020 at 12:31 AM

mistery solved

I test it and..... it Works but...... it works very slow

like ghostship2 say, is very basic, actualy i can render in poser faster with my Ryzen 7 2700X than with my Quadro RTX 4000

in the description they say using a RTX could speed it up..... but was slower instead XD

really hope Poser 12 can work with RTX a lot better if 11.3 cant


ironsoul ( ) posted Sun, 07 June 2020 at 1:51 AM

Has anyone raised the GTX1080Ti or RTX render go slow issue with tech support?



ghostship2 ( ) posted Sun, 07 June 2020 at 1:50 PM

I did not. I had assumed that they new it did not work correctly.

ironsoul posted at 12:49PM Sun, 07 June 2020 - #4391057

Has anyone raised the GTX1080Ti or RTX render go slow issue with tech support?

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ironsoul ( ) posted Sun, 07 June 2020 at 3:11 PM · edited Sun, 07 June 2020 at 3:11 PM

ghostship2 posted at 9:01PM Sun, 07 June 2020 - #4391110

I did not. I had assumed that they new it did not work correctly.

ironsoul posted at 12:49PM Sun, 07 June 2020 - #4391057

Has anyone raised the GTX1080Ti or RTX render go slow issue with tech support

ok, I'll see if I can find out, thanks FYI - similar type of thread on one of the Blender forums, one of the posts suggesting it might be an optimisation problem - Cycles much worse performance with RTX cards



Y-Phil ( ) posted Wed, 10 June 2020 at 4:03 AM

I have an MSI RTX2080 with 11Gb, and it runs a lot faster than my old GTX980Ti

PhYl.


Win10 on i7 8700K@4.3Ghz, 64Gb, Asus TUF Gaming RTX 4070 OC Edition, 2x 2Tb ssd + 6+4Tb hd  + 1x 8Tb hd + 1 10T NAS, Poser 11, Poser 12  and now Poser 13 


ghostship2 ( ) posted Wed, 10 June 2020 at 3:38 PM

Y-Phil posted at 2:38PM Wed, 10 June 2020 - #4391356

I have an MSI RTX2080 with 11Gb, and it runs a lot faster than my old GTX980Ti

What NVDIA driver version are you using?

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


Y-Phil ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 3:36 AM

ghostship2 posted at 10:35AM Thu, 11 June 2020 - #4391423

Y-Phil posted at 2:38PM Wed, 10 June 2020 - #4391356

I have an MSI RTX2080 with 11Gb, and it runs a lot faster than my old GTX980Ti

What NVDIA driver version are you using?

My PC is used to work (senior Odoo developer) and to "play" with Poser. I never do games as I don't have enough time for Poser... So, I'm using nvidia's Studio driver, it's stable and efficient.

PhYl.


Win10 on i7 8700K@4.3Ghz, 64Gb, Asus TUF Gaming RTX 4070 OC Edition, 2x 2Tb ssd + 6+4Tb hd  + 1x 8Tb hd + 1 10T NAS, Poser 11, Poser 12  and now Poser 13 


ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 10:46 AM

I checked my drivers. I was using the gaming driver. installed the "Studio" driver and now my computer does not recognize the GTX card as an NVIDIA card and Poser STILL doesn't render any faster on the new RTX card. Does the RTX card need to be running the monitor to work correctly? Will I still be able to use my old GTX card with it? I'm really frustrated with this shit now.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 11:01 AM

and by the way: I just looked at gforce experience on my machine and it STILL says that I'm using the gaming drivers.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 3:59 PM

after an email to NVIDIA customer service it was suggested that I remove my old 980 card. Card removed, clean installation of studio driver and Poser still renders faster using CPU.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ironsoul ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 6:07 PM

When I put your PC spec into an online bottleneck calculator it suggested the 1600x might struggle with a 2060Super but would be ok with a 2060 - I'm not sure how much to believe that but you could try enabling debug mode on the nvidia control panel which will turn off any overclocking. Someone on a Blender forum reported they tried this with an OC 1070 and it fixed their slow render problem.



ghostship2 ( ) posted Thu, 11 June 2020 at 6:52 PM

Thanks for the info. I just tried this and it renders just as slow when debug is checked in the control panel.

ironsoul posted at 5:51PM Thu, 11 June 2020 - #4391561

When I put your PC spec into an online bottleneck calculator it suggested the 1600x might struggle with a 2060Super but would be ok with a 2060 - I'm not sure how much to believe that but you could try enabling debug mode on the nvidia control panel which will turn off any overclocking. Someone on a Blender forum reported they tried this with an OC 1070 and it fixed their slow render problem.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


ironsoul ( ) posted Fri, 12 June 2020 at 3:19 AM

I did ask someone involved with P11/P12 and they confirmed latest Poser build is RTX compatible (they use a 2070). This problem still looks like a timing issue to me, will see if it can be reproduced on my PC rather than keep throwing out untested ideas.



Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 12 June 2020 at 3:40 AM

ghostship2 posted at 10:40AM Fri, 12 June 2020 - #4391506

and by the way: I just looked at gforce experience on my machine and it STILL says that I'm using the gaming drivers.

From what I can see on nvidia's drivers list, the gtx980 isn't compatible with any Studio Driver, whereas the 2060 is. This may be the reason why.

PhYl.


Win10 on i7 8700K@4.3Ghz, 64Gb, Asus TUF Gaming RTX 4070 OC Edition, 2x 2Tb ssd + 6+4Tb hd  + 1x 8Tb hd + 1 10T NAS, Poser 11, Poser 12  and now Poser 13 


jura11 ( ) posted Fri, 12 June 2020 at 8:46 AM

Hi there

Quadro RTX 4000 should be comparable to RTX 2080, where Quadro will be better or is better is in viewport performance or in other apps like is 3DS Max, Maya or Cinema4D

Regarding the running multiple GPUs, I'm using RTX 2080Ti with GTX1080Ti and two GTX1080(in total 4 GPUs) all GPUs are OC as well

Performance is mixed for sure, single RTX 2080Ti is fast as two GTX1080's, GTX1080Ti with RTX 2080Ti and two GTX1080's rendering is quite fast...

Normally render with RTX 2080Ti and GTX1080Ti takes 7 minutes at 45 samples, with all 4 GPUs(RTX 2080Ti, GTX1080Ti, GTX1080 and GTX1080) rendering takes 5 minutes and 25 seconds at 45 samples and 3 GPUs(GTX1080Ti with 2113MHz OC, GTX1080 with 2164MHz and GTX1080 with 2113MHz OC) render takes 8 minutes or so

Personally I uninstalled 11.3 and went with previous version of Poser 11.2 I think because I didn't see big difference in rendering with RTX 2080Ti and mainly some issues with RTX 2080Ti rendering and Poser as well

@ghostship2 Try different driver, I use 442.01 driver on my build and no issues, tried Studio drivers which are rubbish, tried newer drivers which literally causing only problems like BSOD, TDR etc and due this I don't update drivers a lot, for GTX1080 and earlier 388.43 or 399.24 are great drivers for rendering if you running GTX1080 or earlier GPUs

If you are using multiple GPUs like RTX 2060 or 2070 with GTX1080 or earlier GPU then 442.01 or 441.41 are great drivers, newer drivers or Studio drivers are really bad for myself and my build

If I want to render with RTX 2080Ti then usually I render in Blender 2.8 and E-Cycles as this render engine is faster than Cycles

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura


ghostship2 ( ) posted Fri, 12 June 2020 at 9:22 PM

@jura11 442.01 not available on their driver page. system refused to install 441.41 so I installed 442.19. That works but no difference in performance. still in contact with NVIDIA cust support.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


jura11 ( ) posted Sat, 13 June 2020 at 8:46 AM

Hi @ghostship2

Personally I would use DDU which is best for uninstall drivers etc

And 442.01 driver link

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/geforce-442-01-hotfix-driver-download.html

Hope this helps

Thanks, Jura


piersyf ( ) posted Sat, 25 July 2020 at 6:17 PM

Just an observation which I can't test but others might be able to contribute to; The render time issue for my system between my old GTX 970 and the new RTX 2070 matches the calculation times if the number of processors in the RTX is halved. Perhaps there is something in the architecture that is having Poser only see half the cores. I know my system checking software (Speccy) only sees half the memory, whereas the benchmarking software sees all of it.

Maybe the others having slowdowns could do a time to render check and compare the results with their older cards as if the Turing cards have only half the listed cores?

Anyway, like I said, just a random observation. Could just be a coincidence.

P


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