Quote - DAZ isn't looking for artists, hobbiest, or profesionals, they are looking for consumers and little more.

And the one thing I have learned in all my years with DAZ is you can't believe anything they tell you.

**smoke and mirrors ** (American & Australian) something which is intended to confuse or deceive people, especially by making them believe that a situation is better than it really is.

dog and pony show

Fig. a display, demonstration, or exhibition of something-such as something one is selling. (As in a circus act where trained dogs leap onto and off of trained ponies.) *Gary went into his standard dog and pony show, trying to sell us on an upgrade to our software. *

You're absolutely correct in all respects of your argument which is why I gave up on C at version 7. I occasionally check the forum because I'm enjoying watching a program I used to love die and all the slack jawed gawkers stand around making excuses for DAZ - "well, we didn't get ANY of the features we've been asking for years but let's just keep paying DAZ for nothing and MAYBE it'll get better in the next 'version'".

No offense, but WHAT SUCKERS!

Is posing half-naked women in "fantasy" armor worth paying that much for a very OLD program that's been around all these years and still doesn't have the features that the all the other software packages consider "old school"?

Is adding a cloth sim really that hard that DAZ still can't get it right? Or a fluid sim? Or is it that DAZ couldn't care less because they know their C user base will buy whatever garbage they release no matter the price?

Look at the the spline modeler, still essentially the same as the original RDS version and what about the half-assed manual that has NEVER really been updated and is still just as vague as the orginal RDS paper version.

I switched to Blender and couldn't be happier, they care about their users and actually listen to their requests. Pretty much every month there's a new feature to play with and it doesn't cost a single dime. And for those of you who aren't happy unless you get to throw a lot of money at something all the money you wasted on C you could have had another 3D package, loaded with features and tools and that actually worked they way it supposed to.

If there's a problem with Blender, they fix it. Unlike DAZ with their "we'll fix it when we get around to it, but in the meantime here's another dragon or some more fantasy armor to enhance Victoria's breasts and it comes with gigantic breast morphs so she can look like she has a glandular problem"

I would suggest to anyone who wants to do any REAL 3D work, switch to ANY other 3D software, even the crappiest $9.99 CAD software from the cheap bin is better than C at this point, and probably has MORE FEATURES.

I'll probably get another threatening email from DAZ, but I couldn't care less because somebody needed to say it, they've been getting away with the "best value 3D software package" excuse for too long because that's not only a completely FALSE statement but it's patently absurd.

And for those of you who will keep on flushing your money down the toilet because of some irrational attachment to C with no hope of it getting better "if you just hang on till there MIGHT BE a version 9", I admire your loyalty to DAZ, but in all liklihood - let's be honest - a "version 9" will just be another long awaited and repackaged .5 update with nothing really new and a higher price to cover the high costs of "feature research and development".

Question is, how much more development is needed to add features that should have been added a long time ago?

Good luck and enjoy the wait.

Quote - "I'll probably get another threatening email from DAZ, but I couldn't care less because somebody needed to say it, they've been getting away with the "best value 3D software package" excuse for too long because that's not only a completely FALSE statement but it's patently absurd."

 

so daz sends threatening emails? i didn;t know that.

"so daz sends threatening emails? i didn;t know that." headwax.

Oh hell ya. I got one every time I told a newbie they could download and install content with out help, then told them how to do it.

DAZ simply does not want customers to think they can do it themselves. This way they are tied to the DAZ merchendising machine. Only DAZ content works with DIM so convincing people they have to use DIM dissuades them for shopping elsewhere as they don't know how to download and install content with out DIM.

And they certainly don't want content that can't be fed to them by CMS.

This is excatilly what I was arguing about over 2 years ago when the concept was first spoken of. The next step will be you wont be able to use any content in Studio that isn't downloaded and installed with DIM and works with CMS.

Titanic401 I wont rundown carrara because carrara isn't the issue, DAZ is.

DAZ has proven it lacks developers

Once again we are at the 2 year thing. DAZ took the deep dive in to blatent commercialisiam and put all app develpoment on a slow simmer, when DAZ lost most of it's origenal staff. DAZ hasn't actually been DAZ for 2 years. And I'd be whiling to bet they have more marketers then developers. I'd lay odds that there are twice as many people in the marketing deptment then in the developing department.

As I have said DAZ is turning in to little more then another content brokerage. They seem rather incapable of producing anything them selves. Even G2F is from a PA not DAZ.

And I think it is absurd how DAZ is continuesly trying to convince people G1 is still in development. 2 years with no update and still has all the issues it was released with, proves to me G1 is done. DAZ simply does not want to throw a wet blanket on G1 content sales.

Now unless some one wants to prove me wrong, I am of the opinioin DAZ has even lost or layed off it's studio developers. The last big thing to come out of DAZ was Studio 4, autofit, and Genesis. In 2 years Studio has gotten 2 updates, autofit seems to have had no development or bug fixes, and nothing has been done with G1.

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Quote - "I'll probably get another threatening email from DAZ, but I couldn't care less because somebody needed to say it, they've been getting away with the "best value 3D software package" excuse for too long because that's not only a completely FALSE statement but it's patently absurd."

 

 

so daz sends threatening emails? i didn;t know that.

Why yes they do, and I replied by saying they made it crystal clear that badmouthing DAZ was a no-no.

Quote - > Quote - Wasn't it a year or so ago that they were refering to us as unruly children or something, and then telling us that going forward there would be no more constant sales?

I seem to remember that right after that there was a sale.

And the sales haven't stopped.

 

Yeah Books, 

But the sales don't seem to be real sales. There are a never ending stream of "savings" but they are mostly "Buy one, get the other at 30%, a 2nd one at 40%" type.

I would rather have the old sales back. You know, where I actually saved money when I bought stuff.

Yeah, I've noticed that. Buy a lot, save a little.

I do miss the old days. It was an exciting place to be during a sale.

Check this. I've been working on this pirate scene. Was going to get it in to the contest but is going to take me too long to rebuild, and I can't drape the clothes. None the less the scene is in my head so I am working on it. Working in C8.1 using M4 and his pirate outfit  when I realized not only are the pirate shirt morphs organised, but all the fit to coat morphs are there. In C8.5 they were all lumped in to one catigory with the fit to coat morphs missing. I checked the rest of the clothes and sure enough there were morphs in them in C8.1 that were absent in C8.5.

ya, I'm going to pay $285 for that.

The one thing I never really liked was how 8.5 organized things. That made it very user unfriendly for me. I know change is good, but when it's confusing, well, that's just too much change. That's just my opinion, so don't anybody go all DAZ on me.

That's interesting that elements are missing in 8.5 that are there in 8.1.

All the little things that are still wrong with this release is what gets me. According to what I read, installing content is sometimes a problem with content there then not there or never there, smart content not being so smart, Genesis use slowing everything down (I'd hate to think what multiple Gen figures would do to a scene), autofit still has issues, and now finding out that not all elements of a figure show up in 8.5.

Hmmm. Maybe you're right. Two hundred eighty-five dollars might just be a tad overpriced. I really do like Carrara. I don't want it to go away. I hope if 9 ever comes out it will be a bit more ready for prime time.

Another thing, it doesn't seem as though DAZ is putting any effort in promoting this release. It's not really being promoted anywhere but at DAZ and even there it's not a very prominant promotion.

It's on the bottom of the list of current 'hot' promotions being very quickly pushed to the bottom by content sales, and it's a sticky on the Carrara and (I think) Commons forum pages. No hoopla anywhere else that I'm aware of. What's up with that?

Just curious.

Agree. If you look on other forums you will see any mention of C8.5 coming out was from a carrara user; and not even carrara sheerleaders

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Yeah, I've noticed that. Buy a lot, save a little.

I do miss the old days. It was an exciting place to be during a sale.

Just came back from the Daz marketplace.

They have some kind of Stonemason sale. I love that guy. I love his stuff. I can't afford this sale. I have to buy 3 items to get 50% off!?

I guess Stoneman will be losing a sale because I might have been able to stretch to get one item for 50%, but not 3!

No kidding. Stonemason is great, but that's a sale for a rich man/woman. Not for me. When did a sale become 'not a sale really'.

Quote - No kidding. Stonemason is great, but that's a sale for a rich man/woman. Not for me. When did a sale become 'not a sale really'.

Shortly after it stopped being DAZ, when that online avatar company took over.

People just don't seem to realize they are spending more to get the sale price then if they bough it out right.

As I have said, I would rather pay the PAs directly, rather then give DAZ 50% of what I am spending on the item.

Wow guys.

I guess I kind of saw it, but my brain didn't actually recognise it.

The PA sale has started!

I mean, I saw Stonemason's new item up for sale, but the sale was so "wrong" my brain just didn't accept it as THE PA sale. THIS is the sale many of us wait all year for! It's the time of year I buy stuff from vendors who only seem to go on sale THIS month!

I guess what few pennies I can scrape together will go to Rendo and RDNA.

Totally underwhelmed by this PA sale. Too bad. You're right, tsarist, this and the PC event were what I lived for at DAZ. Not buying anymore. I've found all I need for general use here and at RDNA, and the occasional smaller site. Great deals, too.

I lived for the october sales. I probabaly spent 90% of what I spent at DAZ during that time. I'd join the Pclub in august or september in prep for it. Haven't the last couple of years. Just doesn't seem worth wild.

Agree.

I love C8.5 Pro, I spent the money to upgrade from C8.1 Pro and I don't regret it. Feature wise I find Carrara capable of so much in the 3d world. I know it's not the best at any one thing, but for the money it's a great deal. That's just my opinion and I allow others differ. 

I wish DAZ was a little better at PR for Carrara and at customer support. C8.5 Pro just told me my serial number is invalid. ???? I see on the DAZ site I am not alone. They got my money and I have been using C8.5 Pro since Aug 20th. Now a week later they do something to my account and I can't run C8.5 anymore. Glad I left 8.1 on my system.

I know it's just some kind of glitch, but a week later ???

Quote - I love C8.5 Pro, I spent the money to upgrade from C8.1 Pro and I don't regret it. Feature wise I find Carrara capable of so much in the 3d world. I know it's not the best at any one thing, but for the money it's a great deal. That's just my opinion and I allow others differ. 

I wish DAZ was a little better at PR for Carrara and at customer support. C8.5 Pro just told me my serial number is invalid. ???? I see on the DAZ site I am not alone. They got my money and I have been using C8.5 Pro since Aug 20th. Now a week later they do something to my account and I can't run C8.5 anymore. Glad I left 8.1 on my system.

I know it's just some kind of glitch, but a week later ???

Glad you like 8.5. As you probably know, I'm not an 8.5 user for various reasons, but if it works for you and your creative process, that's great.

As for the serial number thing and the lack of PR, well, that's just standard DAZ operating procedure. This sort of stuff happens often there, people just tend to forget or get disgusted and walk away. I'm sure the serial number problem will be fixed some time tomorrow.

Good luck.

I'll pay $285 for the C8.5 update when it comes with a silver hardcover users manual.

Yes folk, C8.5 Valued at $285, but with your club membership get it for just $171,

But wait, if you respond in the next two week take another 50% off that bring the cost to you to $85.50

But wait that's not all call with in the next ten minutes and get not just one but 2 at the limited time membership only price.

Operators ar standing by.

Just so people know what I mean when I say that is smoke and mirrors pricing.

"When either a person or corporate entity make an offer "look" attractive with window dressing when it really isn't - but in reality they are only using SMOKE AND MIRRORS to distort this so they can keep holding the carrot on the stick in front of you!!! Almost like a Jedi mind trick." Urban dicetionary.

"something intended to disguise or draw attention away from an often embarrassing or unpleasant issue" merriam-webster

"something that distorts or blurs facts, figures, etc., like a magic or conjuring trick; artful deception". dictionary.com

"irrelevant or misleading information serving to obscure the truth of a situation". World English Dictionary

"something which is intended to confuse or deceive people, especially by making them believe that a situation is better than it really is". the free dictionary

Get it?

DAZ is using these %off sales as smoke and mirrors to convince people that the .5 update is some how worth $285. I've said it before so you know I will say it again, if there was no 50% off for 2 weeks, and no Pclub % off, would you, in all honesty pay $285 for it?

The signal this is sending DAZ isn't you suporting carrara development, the signal you are sending is that it is alright for DAZ to way over charge for something as long as they have some % off limited time discount.

Are you ready for the $1K upgrade cost of C9? Well get ready.

$285? Hardly. But then you knew that. :)

I'm willing to wait and see what DAZ brings to Carrara in 9 (if it really comes). Great new features and improved old ones, some attention to detail and not just content related stuff, and I'd consider moving up. But if DAZ puts Carrara out at or near $1K then they've definitely priced me out of the Carrara club.

Hope springs eternal. Just hope I don't get drowned.

oh oh I had an epiphany today while in the surf....

daz isn't really charging us for the upgrade, they are charging us for the content that is bundled in with it, and the update is free

my reasoning: it's become apparent that the new serial numbers were screwed up and had a limiting date because they were carried over from the beta  - the way around this was posted on the daz forum - change the date on your computer to the date before the beta expired

i'm assuming that daz has done the same thing with the previous beta serials - that they can be tricked if you change the date on your computer and therefore still be usable

if this is the case it means that some unscruplous people who have an old serial can use the beta for free still. so Daz has shot herself in the foot.

and also poses a situation where daz can put an expiry date into any registration serial, so that your carrara can be unusable sometime in the future..

David, thanks for your thoughts on getting poser and carrara to talkkas far as obj sizes!

Quote - $285? Hardly. But then you knew that. :)

I'm willing to wait and see what DAZ brings to Carrara in 9 (if it really comes). Great new features and improved old ones, some attention to detail and not just content related stuff, and I'd consider moving up. But if DAZ puts Carrara out at or near $1K then they've definitely priced me out of the Carrara club.

Hope springs eternal. Just hope I don't get drowned.

from DAZ

Seriously, I checked it the second day of the sale, it hit my cart at $285. Why do you think I have been going on such a rip? Yes I am a carrara 8.1 owner. Yes, I selected the .5 update.

And if I am wrong, why has no one set me straight? Ask 3DAGE, I'm magnanimous when I am wrong. And not once has anyone said I was.

Quote - oh oh I had an epiphany today while in the surf....

daz isn't really charging us for the upgrade, they are charging us for the content that is bundled in with it, and the update is free

my reasoning: it's become apparent that the new serial numbers were screwed up and had a limiting date because they were carried over from the beta  - the way around this was posted on the daz forum - change the date on your computer to the date before the beta expired

i'm assuming that daz has done the same thing with the previous beta serials - that they can be tricked if you change the date on your computer and therefore still be usable

if this is the case it means that some unscruplous people who have an old serial can use the beta for free still. so Daz has shot herself in the foot.

and also poses a situation where daz can put an expiry date into any registration serial, so that your carrara can be unusable sometime in the future..

 

David, thanks for your thoughts on getting poser and carrara to talkkas far as obj sizes!

Makes sense to me. There are plenty of people who have said they'd rather have the update without the content at a lower price, mostly because they have the content already (hardly a great value if you already have the supposed 'free' stuff). Some actually asked DAZ if they would sell just the update without the content and the answer was a flat no. One word answer, no elaboration, just 'no'. That tells me that the content is what they're really charging us for.

The thought of DAZ giving time controlled serial numbers is troubling. Next thing would be a subscription service for Carrara. I would NEVER go for that.

Oh, and you're welcome. :)

But that is the point of DIM and CMS; in my opinon. A bit over 2 years ago DIM and CMS was proposed; but had not been nemaed yet. Just the idea of it put me off.Got in to a serious debate about it then.

I mean most of the issues I have had from DAZ content has been the installers, so now DAZ wants you to use a download installer? With DAZ's trackrecord for installers I was certain it would be a disater, and I wasn't far wrong.

And to me, despite being told other wise, CMS is just too close to DRM.

So, DIM downloads and installs to what ever DAZ is calling the studio content folder now, then through CMS keeps track of your content and if it has been updated. So what happens when it scans your content folder and finds some piece of content DAZ has no record of you buying? Don't even try to tell me some alert doesn't go off some place.

So here is DAZ trying to convince everyone DIM is a good thing; with the failure rate I don't see it, so newbies never learn to manually install content. How does this not dicourage newbies from shopping else where?

Then you have CMS, easy way to find content that is for the figure you have selected. Now if all my mil4 content was uptodate with meta data for CMS and I loaded V4 what would I get? 40 gigs of content in the CMS window, and this is suposed to be helpful in finding the clothes I am looking for?  Not hardly. And say I'm looking for a dress, would it load up hair, poses, and props as well? How is that helpful?

And yet something else to disuade newbies from shopping elsewhere. NonDAZ content does not have CMS meta data so wont show in the CMS window, leading newbies to beleve content from other sites is incompatable with studio, rather then incompatab;e with CMS. Figure for every person that posts on the forum about not being able toifind their newly installed content, 20will blow it off and not shop at the other store again. 

It is my opinon that even though DAZ touts DIM and CMS as apps to help newbies, all they are really for is to put newbies off shoping elsewhere. The proof is in DAZ admonishing and removing posts telling newbies they don't need DIM to download content and are quite capable of installing it manually; and generally with far less falderall and a better chance of it ending up in the right place.

I remember you talking at length about your misgivings about CMS. I agree with you. Don't like any software that has to 'phone home' from time to time to keep updated. My work computer is NOT connected to the internet just in case a program slips by me. I want updates when I want updates not when the company decides I need one.

Also, I so agree that knowing how to do something yourself is far more empowering than having someone do it for you. I know where my content is and I know where to find what I need because I've organized it the way that makes sense to me. The DAZ way never made any sense to me.

With my occassional purchase at DAZ, I never let DIM do anything. I download the individual files and install them myself. One day, I'm sure that DIM will be the only way to get anything from DAZ. That day will be the last day I buy from DAZ.

I never saw any reason for DIM of CMS. They just made something simple more difficult and time consuming not to mention sometimes confusing. But DAZ won't back down because they're never wrong.

Well I'm calling the BBB on DAZ. I'm sick to death of this purposful confusion as to pricing.

The pricing I find is for buying C8.5 not for the update from C8.1 to C8.5.

The way it looks to me people haven't been paying for a C8.5 update from C8.1, but they are buying carrara all over again. Am I still confused or are people not realizing they aren't paying for an update, they are buying carrara again?

Man I am so glad I haven't spent a dime on this.

Well that is done. Easier then I thought.

So, I am in a seriously foul mood so lets do this right.

DAZ_jared If I own C8.1, C8.5 is an update, not an upgrade. C9 would be an upgrade.

" If you join the Platinum Club you get an additional 40% off whatever version you purchase (pro or standard)."DAZ_jared

So I have to buy something I already own? Then it isn't even an update. It's the forced repurchasing of something I already own to get the update. That is just wrong regardless of the % off to get it. See smoke and mirrors.

"If you look at the feature list, and the included content the price is very reasonable." DAZ_jared

Considering it has been out for two years and most people that are interested in Genesis already have them, no. You're just giving them something they more then likely already have. At least when the mil4 figures came with C8 they were still in development. G1 is not.

And the one that gets me and I have raed a few times is "I'm buying it to show my support for carrara"

Sorry, all you are doing is convincing DAZ they can screw you around anytime they want as long as they give you a good discount to do it.

This sale may be a boon to those that don't already own C8.1, but if you do, and bought it, you just paid DAZ to screw you over, and DAZ didn't even give you a proper reach around did they? Bet that didn't come with a towel or kiss ether. Oh wait, it came with some 2 year old content for an out dated figure, there's your towel and kiss.

Not sure which has me more agitated, DAZ trying to sell me C8.5 when I own C8.1 or people buying it and giving DAZ the ok to screw us around again, at their leasure.

Well at least we aren't DAZ's redheaded step children, now we are DAZ cash puppets. DAZ just pulls the string and people empty their pockets.

Oh and it gets even better. If you own C8.1 you wont be able to upgrade to C9, you will have to buy it full price. There wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9. So skipping C8.5 is not an option if you intend to get C9.

So it is quite apparent that there is no update/upgrade for Carrara. You are going to have to buy it again. Then there is no gaurenty DAZ wont do the same thing for C9. In fact the way sales are going you can count on it.

You know you need to take a deep breath there Stanley.

"This sale may be a boon to those that don't already own C8.1, but if you do, and bought it, you just paid DAZ to screw you over, and DAZ didn't even give you a proper reach around did they?"

Insulting people because they spent their money how they wanted doesn't seem quite right to me. I get you don't think it's a good deal, but I did and I spent my money. I did because I wanted to. And it was my money.

I don't cheer for DAZ and get confused by thier policies sometimes.

I do think Carrara is a good product at the price I paid. That is my opinion and I am entittled to it. You are entitled to yours.

Hopefully we will all be creating and rendering in what ever tools we choose in the near future. Have a nice day.

Your opinion is welcome and you are indeed entitled to have one. As are all of us. We make our choices and we live with them.

I don't shop at DAZ unless I have to, and I did indeed skip this update/upgrade. It was my choice because in my opinion, DAZ lied to me. The price was a shock and far more than any point update is worth.

I also think that Carrara is a good product, I use it almost daily for work and play, but I believe it could be so much better. This update doesn't make it that much better for me than 8.1 pro is, so I need it not.

And you are right, we should all be creating and rendering in whatever tools we choose. It's not the tool, it's the talent behind the tool that makes or breaks an image, and in the end I just want to enjoy what I do. Carrara lets me do that, but it's not the only tool I use. I have a box full and none of them are perfect. Each does its own thing well and together they help me create art that I am proud of.

Nice day to you, too, Purplepanther. :)

Quote - Oh and it gets even better. If you own C8.1 you wont be able to upgrade to C9, you will have to buy it full price. There wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9. So skipping C8.5 is not an option if you intend to get C9.

So it is quite apparent that there is no update/upgrade for Carrara. You are going to have to buy it again. Then there is no gaurenty DAZ wont do the same thing for C9. In fact the way sales are going you can count on it.

Depressing, but probably true.

And the one that gets me and I have raed a few times is "I'm buying it to show my support for carrara"

that's why I bought it.

:) so be careful , I am lurking..... :)

If you have already bought carrara why buy it again at any price?

As I said, you are not buying an update, you are buying carrara all over again. Simple as that. Is that right?

DAZ promesed us; and repeatedly, the .5 upsate would be a nominal fee. Nothing was said about buying carrara again. So as mad as I was about of the price of a .5 update being $285, how do you think I feel about DAZ trying to resell me carrara?

We were promised an update. We did not get one. What we are getting is the privelage of buying carrara all over again. I don't want to buy carrara again, I just want the .5 update DAZ has been promising for 2 years and at the promised nominal fee. Am I some how wrong in expecting DAZ to live up to their word? Or has it got to the point DAZ can pretty well say what they llike because no one will hold them to it?

The languge may have been raw but that doesn't change the fact DAZ has done us carraraests wrong, and in a major way. I'm not at all sure why people don't see this. And it boogles my mind people would not only support it, but defend it.

The raw languge was a slap in the face in an attempt to wake people up to this. Buying in to it just encourages DAZ to do it again; and I mean with any product. It gives DAZ the green light to end the upgrade path. You will nolonger beable to upgrade carrara. You will have to buy a new version every release.

2 years ago there would have been such an out cry by carraraest that it would have shut down any and all carrara sales. We've done it before. Just when did carraraest do this about face? At that time it was only a proposed $65 dollar charge for C6.5. We found that so wrong we nipped it in the bud. Now DAZ is selling you carrara again, and calling it an upgrade. If $65 was out of the question then, why is $285 so exceptable now? What has happend in 2 years to so drastically change peoples opinons?

Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9. As I said, the upgrade path is dead now. So If you don't get C8.5 to get the expected 50% off C9, as an owner of C8 you can expect to pay full price for C9. That sort of puts a gun to my head to buy C8.5, or else I will have to pay full price for C9; which I anticipate being $800-1000. This is something C8 owners need to be aware of.

16/19 folks.

Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9

Hi Man, do you have a link to that leak? As far as the other stiuff, you are preaching to the converted so there's really no need to be so incensed (inmho). Daz has treated Carrara users badly. What's new? :) Car 8.1 works fine for me. That's what is important to me. If Daz cuts out an upgrade path Car 8.1 will still work just as well ... ;) Best not to belabour the point - just scares readers off.

cheers from 'ere

A spooky blunder in the carrara announcement thread. I'll see if I can find it and provide a link; if it is still there

Once the post is removed it is pretty easy to say it never happened.

hmm. Hit the wrong button lol 

"incensed" ya, that is pretty well how I feel

37 pages and it's gone now. Believe me or not, I know what I read. And it's one of those once you've seen it you can't unsee it

ahh thanks for looking :)

good to use screen grabs sometimes :) did you see JM was bagging the DIM? but subtley though , at least I think he was being subtle, .......

you might be interested in this too http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewforum/66/

I had a few pages take forever to finally load. Don't know what that was all about.

sorry I stupidly put  in the wrong link .... dunno how ?

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28408/

Well if people push hard enough; meaning enough people point it out, DAZ may fix it in C9.

That is the sort of thing I can blaim a bit on myself. It was a beta of carrara but most of my time was spent working with geneis. This is why I wish; when beta testing, they would give full list of what all is new and needs testing.

Quote - A spooky blunder in the carrara announcement thread. I'll see if I can find it and provide a link; if it is still there

Once the post is removed it is pretty easy to say it never happened.

Damn, they "disappeared" it already.

At least someone reputable saw it. They can't just claim it never happened.

I'll weigh in on the evidence at hand. Fact C8.5 is not an update or upgrade, as you are actually rebuying carrara. That leads me to beleve with confidence C9 will be the same, not an upgrade from C8, but rebuying carrara to get C9.

So you can figure; or my assumption, is there will be a 50% off C9 for people that bought C8.5, and possibly a lower discount for those that didn't, say 25 or 30%. But all evedence at hand shows DAZ has taken carraraest off the upgrade path. I have no doubt C9, like C8.5 will be a repurches, not an upgrade.

Any DAZ_ can come on and controdict me, but I find that happening doubtful.

It appears what DAZ is up to; considering that apparently having bought any previous version of carrara from DAZ grants you the 50% off C8.5, DAZ is trying to get all carraraests on the same page, Genesis.

I have no doubt DAZ will make far more off forcing people whom want the update/upgrade to buy carrara again, then to offer an update/upgrade.

I see C8.5 coming with the V5/M5 bundles as DAZ giving you the garage so they can sell you the doors, windows, auto grage door opener, wireing, plugs, lights, heating, airconditioning and you see where I am going. Sales for the V5/M5 bundles has dropped considerably, as has most of the rest of the G1 content. Most dazzers; dazzies{?}, have moved on to G2F. So C8.5 coming with the G1 bundels may be a good thing, but it is still a way to bring in new customers to boost the sales of content for an outdated figure that is no longer in development and which the content sales have slumped drastically.

The $85 for C8.5 isn't too bad of a price, my issue is the way DAZ is going about getting that price. First up you start with the 48% off the repurches of carrara, add to that 40% off for the Pclub{?}, and another 50% off for 2 weeks. That adds up to 138% off, so where is my free C8.5 with the 38% DAZ voucher? Right, that isn't the way the math works.

Personally I'd be far more whilling to spend the $85 if DAZ wasn't using all the smoke and mirrors dicounts to fool people in to believeing having to repurches carrara is a good thing. That is my big issue.

Quote - Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9

 

Hi Man, do you have a link to that leak?  

He made it up. It never happened.

Quote - > Quote - Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9

 

Hi Man, do you have a link to that leak?  

He made it up. It never happened.

I don't think Stan is joking. I believe he really saw it.

I wish he was making it up, but I'm not that lucky.

Quote - sorry I stupidly put  in the wrong link .... dunno how ?

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/28408/

My guess is that someone left fast mipmapping on by mistake. Maybe someone's finger slipped just before they rolled out the final version. One of those, 'Ooops' moments, you know.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9

 

Hi Man, do you have a link to that leak?  

He made it up. It never happened.

I don't think Stan is joking. I believe he really saw it.

I wish he was making it up, but I'm not that lucky.

 

I believe it, too. Love to be proved wrong, but doubt it.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Now the news has already accidently been leaked out there wont be an upgrade path from C8 to C9

 

Hi Man, do you have a link to that leak?  

He made it up. It never happened.

I don't think Stan is joking. I believe he really saw it.

I wish he was making it up, but I'm not that lucky.

 

I believe it, too. Love to be proved wrong, but doubt it.

Proving that something was never posted by someone?  It never happened. 

Quote - I believe it, too. Love to be proved wrong, but doubt it.

I usually get to a place in my thinking that says "maybe Stan is just overeacting", then around announcement time I think "maybe it won't be quite as bad as Stan says", culminating in "Holy Fu*k! It's WORSE than Stan predicted!"

That's the way it's been lately, at least.

Quote - > Quote - I believe it, too. Love to be proved wrong, but doubt it.

I usually get to a place in my thinking that says "maybe Stan is just overeacting", then around announcement time I think "maybe it won't be quite as bad as Stan says", culminating in "Holy Fu*k! It's WORSE than Stan predicted!"

That's the way it's been lately, at least.

 

Yeah. Stan's a good barometer, err, Dazometer.