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 Subject: Dynamic clothing tutorial (BASIC)

vilters opened this issue on Dec 16, 2006 · 36 posts

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:19AM Sat, 16 December 2006 


Basic Dynamic clothing, as it seems that a lot is going to be build.

 

I use a free 3d Soft from www.anim8or.com but any 3D soft can do the same.

 

Build (after learning the basics) a rectangle of x=3, y=10, and z=1 surfaces.

Select the poly’s to make the sleeves, and open up the ends for the head, the hands and the legs.

Shape the dress as close as you want, but do not overdo it. I stayed very rough.

Subdivide, and build into mesh.

Export as *.obj file.

 

Open poser and select your model to fit the dress.

In the first frame set the body to x=80 and Z=50

Import the dress obj into the first frame of your animation.

Use the scale buttons to fit the dress to the model so that there is no skin visible any more. (the dress obj may not touch the model obj.)

Go to frame 15 (+/-) and set the figure at x=95 and Z=95

Go to the last frame and set your desired pose. Check that the figure body is now at x=100 and z=100.

 

Run the cloth simulation.

It should work out OK.

Select your favourite hair and materials, and render.

 

For advanced options, you can import the Poser figure already into anim8or and adapt the dress better to the model.

 

In this tut I did not even UV map the dress. But you can do that, and build a texture for it to get better results.

Also, you can use transmapping to get a V shape for the neck, or other options like lace.

I hope the screen grabs will explain it better as I do.

Greetings, Tony

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:19AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854473


Rough shape

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:20AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854475


Subdevided and ready for export

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:21AM Sat, 16 December 2006 · edited on 8:33AM Sat, 16 December 2006 · @2854477


Importing into Poser , and fitting over the figure., using the x,y,z, buttons of the dress and the y-tran to place it.
You see that the figure is at x=80 and Z=50.
Dress obj may NOT touch the figure

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:23AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854479


After running the cloth simulation for 30 frames.
Poser pushed the dress in shape over the figure.
I only used 30 frames for this as it worked very well.

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:25AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854481


The rendered model.
As the figure itself has a displmacement map, and the cloth room does not know that, I had to set the dress at  Z =103 to overcome the displacement.
But here is the render with a cloud added.
(Clicking on the images will open them up)

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 8:27AM Sat, 16 December 2006 · edited on 8:28AM Sat, 16 December 2006 · @2854483


And here the mat room settings I used.
Hope you liked it. 
VERY BASIC tutorial, I just wanted tio give the new users some info to get them on the road.

Also, I like to keep things simple.
As you saw, I let anim8or do the work, and I let Poser do the work.
I just feed in the basics.

Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!


  Jadelu    ( ) ( posted at 9:37AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854520

Very clear and helpful, thanks!


  pakled    ( ) ( posted at 9:44AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854523

it's THAT easy!?  s'cuse me while I kick this guy..;) j/k..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 9:59AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854533

Easy is very relative.
From idea to posting took me something like 32 minutes. (including the resizing of the screen grabs.)
So it is not that hard at all. (once you know the basics of your preferred 3D proggie and Poser 
Greetings, Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!


  Acadia    ( ) ( posted at 10:33AM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854554

Fabulous!  Thank you for that!

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



  pakled    ( ) ( posted at 12:03PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854621

It beats creating a hollow primitive, and pushing and pulling each @#$ing little point or vertex into place, and still not getting something nice..;) Kudos..I'll try it your way next time..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


  Tiari    ( ) ( posted at 1:12PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854658

I Think............ i love you.........

been trying to find out this information I cant tell you how long........

Now, to only learn the basics of my program lol


  diolma    ( ) ( posted at 2:52PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2854746


Yup, it's that easy! That's what I love about the cloth room, it can transform stuff very easily:-)

Above is one I made earlier (to coin a phrase)...

I got Hexagon 2 when it was on cheapo offer from DAZ, but initially I couldn't get on with it very well.

A couple of weeks ago, I tried again, and I'm hooked!
That dress took me about 6-8 hours total to model, plus a bit far-tarsing about getting the seams right and the material groups set up. And it all started from a box!

It's modelled around V3, and even though it's quite poly-heavy it drapes fairly quickly. IMHO, It's the best I've done to date:-) - although that could be beginner's luck..

Cheers,
Diolma



  Tiari    ( ) ( posted at 9:04PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2855030

Okay.......
maybe its not love, but......... longing lol.

Trying anim8tor....... me and 3d modeling programs dont get along lol, apparently i'm too stupid for the lingo


  drifterlee    ( ) ( posted at 9:58PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2855065

OMG!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!


  Acadia    ( ) ( posted at 10:16PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2855074

Quote - Yup, it's that easy! That's what I love about the cloth room, it can transform stuff very easily:-)

Above is one I made earlier (to coin a phrase)...

I got Hexagon 2 when it was on cheapo offer from DAZ, but initially I couldn't get on with it very well.

A couple of weeks ago, I tried again, and I'm hooked!
That dress took me about 6-8 hours total to model, plus a bit far-tarsing about getting the seams right and the material groups set up. And it all started from a box!

It's modelled around V3, and even though it's quite poly-heavy it drapes fairly quickly. IMHO, It's the best I've done to date:-) - although that could be beginner's luck..

Cheers,
Diolma

That dress is lovely!  It isn't going to be made available by chance?  hint hint  :)

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



  pakled    ( ) ( posted at 10:24PM Sat, 16 December 2006  · @2855075

now..a quick question.

Once the dress is 'fit' to the model, do you 're-save' the object? I presume that the points and vertices are being pushed into place, is it being saved in the object file as well?(which is actually just a big text file with some special language in it)

What I'm asking, is that once it's 'in shape', can I export it as an object, then have it come back in without having to render animation again? (That would be a first for me..never touched the animation yet..;)

If this is true, I can grind out clothes like sausages..;) I'll have to try it out.

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 2:24AM Sun, 17 December 2006  · @2855170

Yep, you can save the modified object.
You can save it as a prop, as a smart prop (parent to the hip) or you can export it as an obj file.

On previous test ; I did not even model the basic figure shape.
I imported the rectangle with the sleeves, let Poser do the pushing half way, and export the obj again to refine it in anim8or. (The model stayed in the neuitral pose.)
Start frame was at x=50; z=50 and I did a simulation to x=80 and z=80
Then exported the rough model to refine it, only THEN, I let anim8or do the subdeviding, and then reimported into Poser to de a seond simulation from x=70, z=70 to x=100 and z=100.

It is very easy to work on as long as the poly count stays low. Only subdevide when completely satisfied with the shape. And, save often.

The advantagre of doing it this way ( Poser do the modeling ) is that you only have to build one model of the dress. And Poser makes it fit any figure you want it on.

Tuning can be done with transmaps, displacement maps, and texture maps. You DO not always have to build a new obj. Ance you have a good one it is very flexible. If you have the time to wait for the render, subdevide aonce more, the cloth will flow even better ( but it gets slow)

Good luck eveyone, glad I could give something back.
Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!


  diolma    ( ) ( posted at 1:59PM Sun, 17 December 2006  · @2855518

"Yep, you can save the modified object.
You can save it as a prop, as a smart prop (parent to the hip) or you can export it as an obj file.
"

True, but only 1/2 the story..:-)

If you save as a prop (smart or not), the origiinal basic shape will be saved. It will have to be re-run through the cloth room to re-fit it.

If you save as a .obj, save from the frame you like best (usually one of the later frames, after the cloth has been "fitted", while it's settling down - very often the last frame).
This will save the cloth as it was after it had been stretched etc. Be warned 'tho, that any textures will probably be lost unless they're very simple ones (diffuse colour etc) as will any constrained etc. groups (at least, this was the case with P5, not sure about P6 and later). However if you just make material groups, using the grouping editor, then these will be saved with the .obj.

This can be taken one stage further later..
If you're building a still scene, it's annoying to have to go to frame 20 (or whatever) every time you load the scene.
What I tend to do now (for each character in the scene) is:
Get the cloth to drape propely on the posed character. Since this might take several attempts, I save a pz3 file all set to go just before hitting the "calculate simulation" button for the 1st time.
Once I'm satisfied with the result, I export the cloth (as .obj), the enter the animation pallette, highlight that whole frame and drag it back to frame 1. Then I delete all of the remaing frames (by setting the end-frame count to 0 - and agreeing to the nag popup), delete the cloth (which by now has reverted to its original state and import the saved .obj. Only then do I start apply the proper textures...
(I work variations on this theme, but that's the basic procedure I use..)

Cheers,
Diolma



  diolma    ( ) ( posted at 2:05PM Sun, 17 December 2006  · @2855519

@Acadia - the dress is already a freebie, but, alas, not here at 'rosity (I don't have a web site to host it on).

And the TOS prevent me from mentioning the site is is hosted on....

IM/PM me and I'll tell you where you can download it from (or if you don't want to go there, I'll e-mail it to you.

(PS - I'll be going away in a couple of days for a couple of weeks and will be off-line for that time.)

Cheers,
Diolma



  Acadia    ( ) ( posted at 7:42PM Sun, 17 December 2006  · @2855809

Quote - @Acadia - the dress is already a freebie, but, alas, not here at 'rosity (I don't have a web site to host it on).

And the TOS prevent me from mentioning the site is is hosted on....

IM/PM me and I'll tell you where you can download it from (or if you don't want to go there, I'll e-mail it to you.

(PS - I'll be going away in a couple of days for a couple of weeks and will be off-line for that time.)

Cheers,
Diolma

Thank you :)  I sent you a PM. I suspect I know which site you mean and  if it isn't too much trouble, I'd prefer to get the dress through email instead. 

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



  charlie43    ( ) ( posted at 10:24AM Sat, 12 November 2011  · @3861110

Quote - Subdevided and ready for export

 

Downloaded Anim8or to build this. After building the cubes and roughing out the shape, I subdivided the mesh from File->Subdivde Faces and it subdivided the mesh okay. Only problem is, I still have the box shape. None of the edges are rounded as in the image posted here. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I'm a Blender geek, so not too used to this app.

 

C~


  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 11:01AM Sat, 12 November 2011 · edited on 11:03AM Sat, 12 November 2011 · @3861115

Hello Charlie, can you post a screengrab?
In anim8or, there are 3 ways to subdevide a mesh.
Did you not get a menu with numbers in?

Have to go out now, will be back in an hr.

Oh, boy, I wrote this in 2006?
I'm getting old :-(

But I still use anim8or, nothing come close for KISS.
And it works like a charm.

Greetings Tony

Poser 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, P8 and PPro2010, P9 and PP2012, P10 and PP2014 Game Dev
"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!


  Pol    ( ) ( posted at 2:03PM Sat, 12 November 2011  · @3861163

Thank you very much Vilters.


  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 6:36PM Sat, 12 November 2011  · @3861246

Sorry for not coming back sooner.

For subdeviding in  anim8or you can:

  1. Select all vertices you want subdevided and in
    Edit => Subdevide faces.

2; Select your object. (be sure your object is selected)
Goto => Build => Convert to subdevided => And you will get a preview of your subdevided mesh. If pleased push => Build => Convert to mesh

3. Select your object. (be sure your object is selected)
Goto => Build => Subdevide faces
You will get a menu where you can select how you want your faces to react.
From 0.000 to? Try untill satisfied.

Happy Posering

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"Do not drive faster then your angel can fly"!


  NanetteTredoux    ( ) ( posted at 4:53AM Mon, 14 November 2011 · edited on 7:43AM Sat, 18 February 2017 · @3861706

Excellent explanation Vilters!

Once you guys master the basics, check out Serge Marck's tutorials. He uses the cloth room as an intermediate stage in modelling clothes, for instance to make a gathered skirt.

Edited by Boni (Sorry, this once great tutorial site ... no longer exists the link goes to an inappropriate site)

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  imagination304    ( ) ( posted at 8:09AM Tue, 15 November 2011  · @3862136

Thanks.


  aRtBee    ( ) ( posted at 9:26AM Wed, 23 November 2011  · @3864436

some tips:

 - large polygons make the cloth behave 'thick' where small polygons make the cloth behave 'thin'. So, by subdividing selectively, you can create edges (hems?) and stiched strokes on your dress or T-shirt.

 - quad polygons make the cloth behave 'non-woven', like rubber, leather, fleece etc while tri's make the cloth behave like 'woven' like linen, wool, silk.

 - clothroom parameters are a world in themselves. The default settings are for common tablecloth. You might experience a need for different settings for properly representing leather, silk, lace, a medieval queens robe etc. Be my guest (Robynsveil started a lengthy thread on this a yer ago, having me and Bagginsbill kicking in. Great fun).

all the best.

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  AmbientShade    ( ) ( posted at 8:32PM Tue, 27 January 2015  · @4188976

Here Tony, I think this is what you were looking for. 

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  vilters    ( ) ( posted at 7:13AM Wed, 28 January 2015  · @4188999

 Ahaa, you made a new tread from the old tutorial.
Ok, I guess, I'll have to update it now that I am mostly working in Blender these days. LOL.
This was from way back in 2006, right after the Poser5 release and dynamic clothing was brand new.....
Thanks.

But, the "push to fit" trick still works
Building and only feeding the basic-basic object file and let Poser do the modeling work for you.

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