Everyone is griping because Genesis can't be used directly or easily in Poser, I don't see any one griping about the new Poser weightmapping not working in anything but Poser.

look harder. I've seen it a few times. thing is, until now, many did'nt want to bother with anything non-daz, so all other figures have been ignored.

*now tho...

People dom't like change, but for growth things have to change though.   I was skeptical, but I really like Genesis now, and I think people should at least try it before knocking it.  A system where any clothing created for the genesis figure, and any texture can be used without annoying conversions, is a boon to me.  Yes, I wish it worked with Poser, but it doesn't so far.  I will have to be happy with stuff specifically created for use inPoser, and hopefully some nice new male figures will be developed for Poser in the future.  There are nice new females, and female figure fans should be happy in that.

Quote - I think people should at least try it before knocking it.

Waiting patiently to do so when it doesn't irequire DS4 and a clunky exporter that results in a half-functional figure in Poser. In the meantime, we've got Antonia, Anastasia, Alice 5, and almost infinite incarnations of V4 that begin with "A" and other letters, too.

DAZ and Smith Micro can take their time getting together on Genesis, as far as I'm concerned.     I wouldn't mind it being a more fleshed-out (pun intended) product with the bugs resolved by the time it works natively in Poser.

If it never does, well, I've got all those lovely nonGenesis "A" girls and the rest of the alphabet to explore. :)

This may set some people off, but I have antonia, and most all her freebies, I'm not impressed. She's Mil3 calaber at best. I mean no insult to her creator, I've rigged a few figures and it is a task to be prode of once completed. But I don't see why the Poserverce is all gaga over her.

And yes, I agree there is still plenty of life in the Mil4 figures. Don't know why so many think they are obsolete. Genesis is a new figure, a new DAZ figure, meaning it was released with bugs, and I doubt DAZ will have them fixed soon. But genesis is complex enough to be considered a DAZ app, meaning hold off for about 6 months for DAZ to get it fixed lol

I'm still at a loss though trying to figure out why people are upset about DAZ weightmapping not working in poser, when no weightmapping from any app is transferable to another app. Never has been.

And I still maintain it isn't up to DAZ to reset Poser so it is compatable with Studio weight maps. You all need to go at sM about this, not DAZ. It's not up to the development company to make their format work in your app, never has been. It's always been up to the development company for the app you are importing to, to make it compatable with the format you are importing.

Has everyone forgotten the hoopla that went on when the mil4 figures were released? Has everyone forgotten that at that time if you wanted to install the mil4 figures to a runtime there had to be a Poser .exe in the folder you were installing to? How could a figure have been more Posercentric?

Now I'm going to turn this around. The title to this thread is DAZ vs the world, I think that is a misstatement. It's more like Poser vs the world, because it seems Posers expect the world to bend to their whims. It's not DAZ wanting Poser to change to be compatable with genesis, it's the poserverce expecting DAZ to change genesis to be Poser compatable. It seems the Poserverce expects all the rules of thumb for most every other CG app to be bent and broken just for them.

So I reiterate, it isn't DAZ VS the world, it's poser VS the world.

erm Stanley

have you READ the very very first post in this thread?

you know the one thats basically saying *stop fighting about daz vs poser / poser vs daz

totally different from what you think it's saying?

Quote - Now I'm going to turn this around. The title to this thread is DAZ vs the world, I think that is a misstatement. It's more like Poser vs the world, because it seems Posers expect the world to bend to their whims. It's not DAZ wanting Poser to change to be compatable with genesis, it's the poserverce expecting DAZ to change genesis to be Poser compatable. It seems the Poserverce expects all the rules of thumb for most every other CG app to be bent and broken just for them.

Since you are here in the POSER forum you should know that it IS poser centric by definition. If a company wants to sell items to POSER users it should better be WORKING in Poser. If they do NOT want to sell these to POSER users, they should not come in and ask POSER users to buy that stuff

Manley...you DARE not compare Antonia to the gods HERE?! Boil him in oil!   ;)

I thought that post was well-written and honest, and was not really a "Poser vs DAZ" comment like so many in the "DAZ wants to talk thread". At least it wasn't another complaint or unfounded speculation.

SnowS

Then don't buy it. Genesis was never marketed to Poser, it was poser users kicking up a fuss at DAZ about genesis not working in Poser that started this.  Genesis was nether designed nor built to work in Poser, Studio was rewritten to make use of the triax weightmapping system. If sM doesn't want to adopted the triax system, how is that DAZ's fault?

How could DAZ possably be marketing Genesis to Posers when the only way to get Genesis is to download and install DS4. On every morph, character, pose ect for genesis it has a compatability chart, poser isn't listed. The way it looks to me you all are marketing Genesis to yourselves.

As far as I'm concered it's the same as me kicking up a fuss because .vob wont open in carrara, so Vue needs to change it's out put so I can open .vob in carrara. How is this any different?

I didn't say anything about Poser VS DAZ. I said Poser VS the world. And I do believe I pointed this out. No other apps weight mapping is compatable in any other apps, it's ludicres to expect Studios weight mapping to work in Poser.  And that is all genesis is about, weight mapping. That is the only thing that makes genesis any diferent then the mil4 figures.

In my opinion people believeing Genesis was marketed to poser users is a falicy. They beleve that since DAZ figures to date have been Poser compatable that any figures DAZ makes are suposed to be. This is a delusion of their own creation.

And before you start on me being a Dazzer, any one that knows me will tell you quite the contrary. I am not a DAZ suported. I was one of the biggests DAZ detractors on the forum; till I was banned. Guess what folks? Genesis doesn't work in Carrara 8.1, a DAZ app. Genesis doesn't work in Bryce, a DAZ app. So why on earth do you think it's suposed to work in Poser?

ah, so you did'nt read the post then.

We have had numerous threads here and at DAZ where DAZ officials are saying that they are NOT abandoning Poser. Since they have not produced anything besides genesis only products since it was released and they have repeatedly stated that they were working towards a solution for Poser it is clear to me that they are marketing - in advance - their products towards Poser. What other reason is to come in and create "We want to talk to you" and "clear up misunderstandings" threads.

wow, then where are all these mysterious nongenesis items coming from at the DAZ store? I'd link you to the 8 new nongenesis items in the store at DAZ but I can't do that here. I could link you to 3 new sets of clothes for V4. I could limk you to new sets that are for genesis and the mil4 figures. Do you perhaps have your DAZ store search set to genesis only or something?

It's just posts like wimvdb which are presenting misinformation, I feel a need to respond to. No feelings involved, just presenting the facts, not an opinion.

And the reason DAZ came here is simple, and I said as much in that thread. The DAZ forum is just another cog in the DAZ marketing machine. Due to censorship that thread never could have happened on the DAZ forum. Several subjects that were brought up are taboo on the DAZ forum and would have gotten an immeadiate deletion.

Just trying to educate people.

ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/

Adjective: 1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

1. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy".

I was one of the most paraniod conspericy theroists on the DAZ forum, and I don't hold a candle to some of the folks here. ;)

Quote - This may set some people off, but I have antonia, and most all her freebies, I'm not impressed. She's Mil3 calaber at best. I mean no insult to her creator, I've rigged a few figures and it is a task to be prode of once completed. But I don't see why the Poserverce is all gaga over her.

They can speak for themselves, but my understanding is that Antonia was created by folks looking for life beyond V4 and not finding it satisfactorily in the free figures that SM includes with Poser.

 They made her from scratch and they offered her to the world for free, so I'm not complaining. V4 isn't much to look at in her default form, but see what people have done with her. I have seen some nice treatments of the default Antonia, too. The best ugly-duckling-to-swan transformation I have ever seen is what Blackhearted did to Alyson 2 to create Anastasia. That could happen to Antonia but the result won't be free, I'm guessing!

Apparently you have a problem reading

I said PRODUCED by DAZ - not acquired by DAZ

All of the stuff for V4 comes from PA's

I don't think DAZ produces clothing, accessories, etc., even if it has their name on it. They job it out.

Quote - In order to use that weight mapping DAZ had to design Studio 4 around it. Daz makes figures for studio, up to studio 4 DAZ was still using the older Poser format, so DAZ wasn't directly making figures for Poser, the figures where made in the old Poser format so of coarse they worked in Poser. In order for DAZ to make a modern figure DAZ had no choice but to abandon the old Poser format.

All well and good, Mr. Stanley, but you should probably review your history...

It was the Poser users who built up the DAZ company to what it is today.

It was the Poser users who bought their products.

It was the Poser users who followed DAZ to the end of the earth.

And now, DAZ says "kiss off."

OK, no problem.

I'd guess most of the Poser users feel exactly like I do - we'll kiss off.  But, don't come over here whining and crying because I'm not spending money over at DAZ.

It all boils down to "dancing with the one that brung ya."

My dance card is full.  Too bad, DAZ.

All the innovation from DAZ goes towards DS4 and genesis - such as figures, textures, hair and tools. Understandable, but not something I can use or shows a commitment to Poser

Well I guess all those studio users just don't do anything to suport DAZ, or studio. Guess all those studio plugins and studio mats are just in the store for show.

PA's produce, oh what, 96% of the content in the DAZ store, so your complaint is 4% of the content being produced is for genesis? Really doesn't help your argument much does it.

That's brokered not aquired.

I downloaded the free poser debut to check it out. No tools I need so I don't need the app. Thought I'd at least get some usable content out of it. But it seemed 90% was the same stuff I had in P6. Going through and checking everything I found Simmon and Sydny. Nice looking figures so I thought I'd try them in carrara, after all carrara is poser compatable. Gave them a try and they looked good till I lowered the arms and their chests caved in. Well that's not right, Smith micro needs to fix those figures so I can use them in carrara.

And why did everyone that used poser buy DAZ content? Because no one else made any, least of all whom ever owned Poser at the time.

But hey, all of this will be moot if DAZ does the virtual store thing. Then you wont have any one to complain about. Personally I think you all need to be more worried about the virtual store thing then genesis. genesis is one figure, the virtual store will effect all DAZ content. Right now you can't use genesis, what are you going to do when you can't download or install anything from DAZ?

Quote - Well I guess all those studio users just don't do anything to suport DAZ, or studio. Guess all those studio plugins and studio mats are just in the store for show.

PA's produce, oh what, 96% of the content in the DAZ store, so your complaint is 4% of the content being produced is for genesis? Really doesn't help your argument much does it.

That's brokered not aquired.

I downloaded the free poser debut to check it out. No tools I need so I don't need the app. Thought I'd at least get some usable content out of it. But it seemed 90% was the same stuff I had in P6. Going through and checking everything I found Simmon and Sydny. Nice looking figures so I thought I'd try them in carrara, after all carrara is poser compatable. Gave them a try and they looked good till I lowered the arms and their chests caved in. Well that's not right, Smith micro needs to fix those figures so I can use them in carrara.

And why did everyone that used poser buy DAZ content? Because no one else made any, least of all whom ever owned Poser at the time.

 

But hey, all of this will be moot if DAZ does the virtual store thing. Then you wont have any one to complain about. Personally I think you all need to be more worried about the virtual store thing then genesis. genesis is one figure, the virtual store will effect all DAZ content. Right now you can't use genesis, what are you going to do when you can't download or install anything from DAZ?

All I have to say in response is.........if all those Studio and Carrara users are buying so much product, what's DAZ_Rand doing over here?

Yeah, answers itself.

And you're defining "ignorant?"

Where was I complaining? I was just making an observation as a reaction to your rant of Poser users being Poser centric in a Poser forum

Here another observation for you: Most of the new content which is now sold at the DAZ store is for Genesis. I think this is the first month were this is the case. Just go to the DAZ store and select genesis and you get 46 new products, select V4 and you get 24.

And the virtual store thing is for now just a speculation. That would mean a defiinite no to all non DS4 users

Quote - Apparently you have a problem reading I said PRODUCED by DAZ - not acquired by DAZ

All of the stuff for V4 comes from PA's

DAZ produces very little "content"-- almost none, in fact.  That's been the case for many years now. 

Of course DAZ's isn't making any new items for V4, such a new figure shape FBM-- after all, DAZ stopped making anything new for V3 well before V4 came out, so it's hardly odd that DAZ should stop making new things for V4 now that V5 is out. 

DAZ is still accepting products for V4 and M4, and quite a few have come out since the release of Genesis.  And don't forget all the non-figure stuff like scenery, props, buildigs, etc., which works in both programs.  DAZ has even been accepting a number of dynamic clothing items for Poser.  It not as though DAZ slammed the door and said, "No more Poser stuff!!"

"All I have to say in response is.........if all those Studio and Carrara users are buying so much product, what's DAZ_Rand doing over here?

Yeah, answers itself."

DAZ tries to listen to you, you bitch. DAZ goes their own way, you bitch. DAZ says they're working on fixing issues that are affecting you, you bitch. **DAZ can do no right by you. ** Manley is certainly no DAZ supporter, but everything he's saying is true and you guys just don't like hearing it.

Quote - "All I have to say in response is.........if all those Studio and Carrara users are buying so much product, what's DAZ_Rand doing over here?
Yeah, answers itself."

 

DAZ tries to listen to you, you bitch. DAZ goes their own way, you bitch. DAZ says they're working on fixing issues that are affecting you, you bitch. **DAZ can do no right by you. ** Manley is certainly no DAZ supporter, but everything he's saying is true and you guys just don't like hearing it.

Wow.  Just.  Wow.

Makes me even more glad I don't do business with DAZ any longer.

If we don't behave they will lock the thread.  I really think the whole point is to live and let live, not to be angry.  There are things the way we want them to be, then things the way they are.  All of this discussion is highly subjective, I understand both points of view, we just need to respect one another's choices and opinions.  Right now I think we're just beating a dead horse.  Like the new Daz content, buy it, don't like it support Poser only vendors and content developers.  The best way to insure new Content created for Poser is to support those people producing it and buy it.  If there is more demand, there will be more content produced, not enough demand and your choices will be more limited.

What Glitter, what, what was wrong with what I said? It's true, you complain about everything DAZ does and in every place you can. You're not interested in anything Rand has to say, you weren't even interested in anything I had to say when I made the attempt to politely engage you and your friends at that other site. You want an apology from DAZ, I know.

And I'm not here as an official representative of DAZ like Rand, I'm here as a Renderosity member who's had it with this crap and is simply stating my opinion, like you do. DAZ supporters ARE allowed to post here too you know.

SnowS

Quote - What Glitter, what, what was wrong with what I said? It's true, you complain about everything DAZ does and in every place you can. You're not interested in anything Rand has to say, you weren't even interested in anything I had to say when I made the attempt to politely engage you and your friends at that other site. You want an apology from DAZ, I know.

And I'm not here as an official representative of DAZ like Rand, I'm here as a Renderosity member who's had it with this crap and is simply stating my opinion, like you do. DAZ supporters ARE allowed to post here too you know.

 

SnowS

Yep, you're right SnowSultan.  You and some of the other DAZ PAs have made every effort to ensure folks want nothing to do with DAZ or it's PAs.

All.  Over.  The.  Internet.

But, don't blame me for your behavior.

It's abundantly clear what you and the other PAs think of their potential customers.

Quote - If we don't behave they will lock the thread.  I really think the whole point is to live and let live, not to be angry.  There are things the way we want them to be, then things the way they are.  All of this discussion is highly subjective, I understand both points of view, we just need to respect one another's choices and opinions.  Right now I think we're just beating a dead horse.  Like the new Daz content, buy it, don't like it support Poser only vendors and content developers.  The best way to insure new Content created for Poser is to support those people producing it and buy it.  If there is more demand, there will be more content produced, not enough demand and your choices will be more limited.

That's the goal of the DAZ Crew, Tom.....to get all the threads locked.  They did their dirty work and have now set out to shut everyone up.

I'm in subscribing from this thread, I don't like the fighting.  I love Poser and I love Daz content and I don't see a conflict in that.  The people at Daz have been very kind to me.  Good luck in resolving your conflicts.  I know it sounds cliched but I just wish everyone could get along.

"You and some of the other DAZ PAs have made every effort to ensure folks want nothing to do with DAZ or it's PAs."

No, that's been your job ever since you were banned. Badmouthing DAZ at every opportunity, then when a PA or someone who supports DAZ disagrees, you get to play the victim. Over and over and over and I have had enough.

I don't want this thread locked, I want reasonable discussions without you and those like you coming in and bashing DAZ, spouting wild speculation about the company, their plans, and their people. The only reason I and any other PA say what we do is because everything you guys say seems to go unchecked. Anti-DAZ should NOT be the only opinion being voiced here.

Quote - "You and some of the other DAZ PAs have made every effort to ensure folks want nothing to do with DAZ or it's PAs."

 

No, that's been your job ever since you were banned. Badmouthing DAZ at every opportunity, then when a PA or someone who supports DAZ disagrees, you get to play the victim. Over and over and over and I have had enough.

I don't want this thread locked, I want reasonable discussions without you and those like you coming in and bashing DAZ, spouting wild speculation about the company, their plans, and their people. The only reason I and any other PA say what we do is because everything you guys say seems to go unchecked. Anti-DAZ should NOT be the only opinion being voiced here.

There's only one problem with your wild theory.  I've never been banned anywhere.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

You have your antagonists mixed up.

Interesting that I don't see you post anymore on two forums that you used to quite often then, huh. That really doesn't matter, everything else I said still applies.

Let's try something, I won't post in here again if you don't. Deal?

Quote - Interesting that I don't see you post anymore on two forums that you used to quite often then, huh. That really doesn't matter, everything else I said still applies.

Let's try something, I won't post in here again if you don't. Deal?

You mean this thread?  Sure!  Deal!

Difference is SnowSultan isn't getting banned here for speaking their mind

Quote - Here another observation for you: Most of the new content which is now sold at the DAZ store is for Genesis. I think this is the first month were this is the case.

Have you actually counted the items, rather than relying on the store search, which is, to put it kindly, rather lame?  In another thread, someone said that "most" of the Christmas freebies were for Genesis-- without having bothered to count them first.  As it turned out, that was dead-wrong.

Even if it's true that "most" of the new items are for Genesis, that's hardly surprising.  Whenever a new figure comes out, there's a period where a large portion (I won't say "most" because I haven't actually counted) of the new figure-related products are for that new figure.  It happened when V3 came out, it happened when M3 came out, it happened when the Girl came out, it happened when V4 came out, and so on. 

Yes, it's true that DAZ originated as a company supplying content for Poser, and it's also true that, for the first several years of DAZ's existence, Poser users accounted for the preponderant bulk of DAZ's revenue, and they still account for a very large part of DAZ's revenue, perhaps the larger part of it.  No one disputes that, and no one with a brain would want DAZ to stop providing Poser content. 

However, as has been said many times now, DAZ can't make Genesis work in Poser because Poser doesn't have the same rigging/weight-mapping/subdivision system that Genesis uses.  Those who want Genesis to work in Poser should be talking to Smith Micro, not DAZ, because Smith Micro is the only one who can decide whether or not to adopt the technology that would enable Genesis to work in Poser.

One might ask, why should Smith Micro do that?  What's in it for Smith Micro?  Well, simply this:  Poser is only as useful as the content available for it.  How popular would Poser be today if Zygote and DAZ had never existed-- if the whole line of DAZ figures had never existed-- if all the content for those figures had never existed?

There's no way to know, but I suspect that if it hadn't been for DAZ and its very popular figures and all their add-on products, there would be far fewer people using Poser than there are.  So-- while it's true that DAZ owes its very existence to Poser and Poser users, it's also true that Poser owes much of its popularity (such as it is) to DAZ and its figures and their add-ons.  Revising Poser to include the DS4/Genesis technology might not benefit Smith Micro "directly," in terms of receiving revenues from content, but it would certainly benefit SM in terms of making Poser more versatile and appealing to end users.

Glitterati3D I've already explained 3 times why that thread from DAZ_Rand was here. If you haven't gotten it by now I can asume you never will.

"bashing DAZ, spouting wild speculation about the company, their plans,"

That's my job damit, leave it be. :lol:

The argument isn't DAZ vs Poser. It's the precept that DAZ doesn't suport poser.

As has been DAZ's habit right along, once a new figure is released any development DAS does for figures is for that series. So it's no surprise DAZ has done it for Genesis.

DAZ has not stopped carrying Mil4, or mil3 content. It's still all there, and the way people talk they certianly can't have it all. DAZ is still excepting submisions from PA's for Mil4 figures. So DAZ still sells Poser compatable content; which is what I use.

I'm not a big suporter of Genesis even though I can use it. I just can't afford to use it. Of the last 20 items I have gotten from DAZ, 1 was for genesis; and who could resist that free gorilla :) . But at the cost of characters and morphs for genesis, I just have to  opt out. I saw a new character at the store, this character was dependent on you having bought V5, so the total cost of the charater was $42. Ya, right. For that price I'd check out this anistasia charater. But then I am very pesimistic that it would work in Carrara, and if it didn't who would I complain at?

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - It was the Poser users who built up the DAZ company to what it is today.

And DAZ Studio users. It was DAZ figures that helped build up the Poser community to what it is today.

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - It was the Poser users who bought their products.

And DAZ Studio users.

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - It was the Poser users who followed DAZ to the end of the earth.

And DAZ Studio users.

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - And now, DAZ says "kiss off."

 DAZ hasn't told anyone to "kiss off."

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - I'd guess most of the Poser users feel exactly like I do

I'd guess that's completely untrue.

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - But, don't come over here whining and crying because I'm not spending money over at DAZ.

 Trust me, no one is whining and crying  because you aren't spending money at DAZ.

Glitterati3D wrote:

Quote - All I have to say in response is.........if all those Studio and Carrara users are buying so much product, what's DAZ_Rand doing over here?

To correct misinformation people like you are spreading, and to answer questions Poser users have been asking for months.

Since you have publically stated that you hate DAZ, anything you say should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Coldrake

You lose your own argument once you mention that one person arguing has some personal interest of their own... because you too stop arguing your point.

Anyways...

DAZ is a business... DAZ_Rand said as much...

Their forums are a branch of their business.

We buyers are disappointed.

That's it. That's the whole of it. We are disappointed in the business decisions DAZ has made.

It has no bearing on folks who love DAZ.

AND to use Genesis in Poser... you have to buy Poser 9 or Pro 2012

As a buyer it has become more than just a disappointment... it's really a NO DEAL...

it's a double insult.

And the attitude with installers after 8 years.

Fine. DAZ doesn't want my money. Fine. It sucks... but... fine.

@Blondie

I won't argue about the actual numbers, since I have not counted them either. And yes, the DAZ store filters are not very reliable. It is a fact though that I spent far less than I used to do. This month less than 25% compared to dec last year. Why - because there is less available for the generation 4 figures. I do not buy everything which is available, I decide on originality, whether I can use it, price and its flexibility (movement morphs). This time there were far fewer (V4) products to choose from compared to last year and most of what was left did not meet the criteria - so I spent less (almost all of it on props)

I did buy the surgeon outfit in the hope that the cr2 converter would enable me to get it in to Poser (that one fit my criteria except for not being able to use it as is), but no luck so far

My main disappointment comes from the perception I have that the CR2 converter is of a low priority to DAZ. I base that perception on the lack of responsiveness from DAZ after having done several forum posts, a bug report and PM's.

SM has implemented a number of features requested by DAZ to support genesis and this does not seem to work - maybe it does the things it is supposed to do, but noone at DAZ is telling or testing it

I think the communication aspect and (maybe) the lack of focus and/or priority in development is the main problem  I have. At least that is how I feel it

***Ok, folks, this needs to stop.  ***

We're all grown ups.  But, whenever DAZ is brought up, this place turns into a bar on Football night with two big groups rooting for each team.  I get that there are long-term customers who are exclusive Poser users who are upset with the direction things seem to be moving.  You have every right to feel your feelings.  However, we here at Renderosity can't do anything about it.  Getting over upset about it won't do anything but make other people upset at you, and...well, then we're off topic and attacking someone.

. ***

And on the other side...we also get that there are people who see the directions DAZ is going in as necessary, growth creating, and the best way forward.  You have every right to have that opinion.  And we shouldn't be attempting to force people into changing that opinion simply because this is the Poser forum.

And the attacks in BOTH directions have GOT TO STOP.  They are no longer [ ] this close to being personal attacks.  THEY ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS.  And they need to stop.  NOW.  Because we WILL be handing out warnings from now on.  If a post makes you angry, get away from the computer, and walk away.  Get away from the thread.

the FIRST FUCKING POST IN THIS THREAD.

unsubscribed due to idiots fighting

Quote - @Blondie I won't argue about the actual numbers, since I have not counted them either. And yes, the DAZ store filters are not very reliable.

Oh, wow, that's an understatement!  I can't tell you how many times I've tried to find a product that I KNEW was in the store somewhere, but could not find it because the "search" feature is just... lame.

Quote - It is a fact though that I spent far less than I used to do. This month less than 25% compared to dec last year. Why - because there is less available for the generation 4 figures.

This is true, but then, this happens whenever any new "generation" of figures comes out.  When V4 came out, the number of V3 items dropped dramatically.  Now, V3 is still a perfectly valid and usable figure-- and for that matter, so is V2-- and hell, for that matter, so is Posette-- but as newer "generations" of figures come along, they supplant older figures.

Quote - I did buy the surgeon outfit in the hope that the cr2 converter would enable me to get it in to Poser (that one fit my criteria except for not being able to use it as is), but no luck so far.

That is a great oufit, isn't it?  AgeofArmour does fabulous products. 

Quote - My main disappointment comes from the perception I have that the CR2 converter is of a low priority to DAZ. I base that perception on the lack of responsiveness from DAZ after having done several forum posts, a bug report and PM's.

I don't believe that the .cr2 converter is a "low priority"-- in fact, my impression is exactly the opposite-- but the fact remains that unless and until Smith Micro "steps up to the plate" and does its bit to make Genesis stuff work in Poser, there's a real limit to what DAZ can do.

And I can't fault Smith Micro for being hesitant about all that.  If I were SM, I, too, would have taken the attitude of, "Oh, well, let's just wait and see how this whole Genesis thing really works out.... is it really as great as DAZ claims it is?  Is it really worth supporting?  Should we jump in and adopt this technology, or not?"  Any company with a brain would naturally be cautious about leaping off in a totally new direction, without having any idea where that leap might lead.

I don't have any real "inside" information, but my overall impression is that DAZ is still trying very hard to work with Smith Micro to resolve this compatibility issue.

I most sincerely hope that the two companies are able to arrive at a mutually beneficial agreement.  I would love to be able to create a product for Genesis and have it work in Poser, effortlessly and seamlessly, just as items created for Poser worked (well, usually) in DS.  The thing is, I still much prefer using Poser-- and if I could use Genesis in Poser, and have the same functionality in Poser that I have in DS, I would be a LOT happier than I am now.

Here's a thought: If you're upset with DAZ, or just don't like them, forget they exist. If you like DAZ, great. Not everyone needs to hear about it. Breathe deep. Seek peace. No one is bleeding.

Yes, it's a free country. Yes you have a right to an opinion. But, be honest, is this doing anything but raising blood pressures?

Here, have an ice cream and a Baileys.

Quote - I don't believe that the .cr2 converter is a "low priority"-- in fact, my impression is exactly the opposite-- but the fact remains that unless and until Smith Micro "steps up to the plate" and does its bit to make Genesis stuff work in Poser, there's a real limit to what DAZ can do.

And I can't fault Smith Micro for being hesitant about all that.  If I were SM, I, too, would have taken the attitude of, "Oh, well, let's just wait and see how this whole Genesis thing really works out.... is it really as great as DAZ claims it is?  Is it really worth supporting?  Should we jump in and adopt this technology, or not?"  Any company with a brain would naturally be cautious about leaping off in a totally new direction, without having any idea where that leap might lead.

I don't have any real "inside" information, but my overall impression is that DAZ is still trying very hard to work with Smith Micro to resolve this compatibility issue.

I most sincerely hope that the two companies are able to arrive at a mutually beneficial agreement.  I would love to be able to create a product for Genesis and have it work in Poser, effortlessly and seamlessly, just as items created for Poser worked (well, usually) in DS.  The thing is, I still much prefer using Poser-- and if I could use Genesis in Poser, and have the same functionality in Poser that I have in DS, I would be a LOT happier than I am now.

 

I have a different impression. The lackluster responses from DAZ (if any at all) worry me in this respect. I know things like SubD are not implemented in Poser, but lots of things have been done and - as far as I know - SM thinks that it has done their job. The current exporter does not make use of this and if we wait another month or longer before we find out that there is still a problem, that month is wasted because nobody is doing anything to correct it (DAZ or SM)

That is why I think it has a low priority

I don't think it's low priority. I think it's just holidays and vacations getting in the way and they are in the middle of working on installers, the new store, documentation and bug fixes according to Randy. Hey, I can't wait for DS 4.1 to come out with big render speed increases that Randy talked about before he went on vacation. Maybe there are other improvements to the exporter, too, in the next update. But I'm used to waiting.

Quote - I don't think it's low priority. I think it's just holidays and vacations getting in the way and they are in the middle of working on installers, the new store, documentation and bug fixes according to Randy. Hey, I can't wait for DS 4.1 to come out with big render speed increases that Randy talked about before he went on vacation. Maybe there are other improvements to the exporter, too, in the next update. But I'm used to waiting.

This is playing already long before the holidays.

But we won't agree about this since we both do not not have the inside knowledge

Nothing to do but wait, let's just hope it is not too late

You know, doesn't matter how mad I get, I don't use profanity on a forum, even when it is permisable.

Quote - I have a different impression. The lackluster responses from DAZ (if any at all) worry me in this respect. I know things like SubD are not implemented in Poser, but lots of things have been done and - as far as I know - SM thinks that it has done their job. The current exporter does not make use of this and if we wait another month or longer before we find out that there is still a problem, that month is wasted because nobody is doing anything to correct it (DAZ or SM)

That is why I think it has a low priority

Unfortunately it takes time to write alternative code, rather than just supporting something outright. DAZ's spec for weightmapping, scaling, joints etc for their figures is much bigger than what SM is doing, so you going to have this going back and forth and the exporter has to narrow things down and SM have to tweak their spec. It's going to take time and a lot of it has to depend on how much SM ultimately supports.

However, from what I've read in the reviews in three 3D and artwork magazines, they love posers new features, but they have weren't too kind in figure setup tools (and included content) and Genesis not being supported has been mentioned in each magazine; so it's in SM's best interest to implement Genesis so it isn't left behind.

And yes, although those same mags loved the Genesis tech, DAZ got seriously hammered for no documentation and tools are easy to use, but you don't know that because there's no info on how to use them. Also there's been the random lockups in the program that they've had as well.... so DAZ needs to get cracking on those issues. 

Oh man. All the venomous "free speech" in these Daz-0related threads is making me start to think fondly of censorship. Just because you CAN talk like this in a forum, doesn't mean you HAVE to. Both the DAZ and Poser extremists are making it hard for any of us to be taken seriously when we try to get a point across to DAZ.

It will almost be a relief when the mods put these threads out of their misery.

I really don't understand all the impatience.  DS4 has only been out a short time, and P9/PP2012 have only been out a short time-- since September or so.  Three months is a very short time in terms of software development.  The technology behind DS4/Genesis has been in development for at least two or three years, if not longer, and I'm sure the new features in P9/PP2012 have been in devolopment for about as long. 

I also don't understand the tendency to jump to conclusions about what is or is not a priority with either DAZ or Smith Micro.  I don't know what's going on inside DAZ, or which projects have high priority and which ones don't, and neither does anybody else who doesn't actually work at DAZ.  Same for Smith Micro.  The fact that DAZ has been quiet about the exporter doesn't mean that DAZ isn't working on it-- and likewise, the fact that SM has been quiet doesn't mean that it isn't working on a solution to the incompatibility problem.

A company has to keep many things fairly "close to the vest" while they're being developed.  Suppose SM announced today that, yes, it's going to incorporate DS4 technology into Poser-- but then, a few weeks from now, it ran into problems that make that impossible.  SM would end up looking very stupid.  Or suppose DAZ announced that the exporter was "almost done" and would be ready in another week-- but then ran into problems that caused the thing to be delayed for months.  DAZ would end up looking like a liar, or an idiot, or both.

Unless you work for a company-- and maybe not even then, depending on what your position is-- you're simply not in a position even to speculate about what is going on inside that company or what it's working on or anything else.

Blondie, it looks like you have a problem reading as well

Let me repeat:

I have a different impression. The lackluster responses from DAZ (if any at all) worry me in this respect. I know things like SubD are not implemented in Poser, but lots of things have been done and - as far as I know - SM thinks that it has done their job. The current exporter does not make use of this and if we wait another month or longer before we find out that there is still a problem, that month is wasted because nobody is doing anything to correct it (DAZ or SM)

That is why I think it has a low priority

Are you going to tell me that I cannot have an opinion anymore?

Locking this thread as well