And where do we go from here?

ClintH · February 10, 2002 6:01 pm

And where do we go from here? Hrmmm... interesting question. I'm going to be real honest and say I wish I had some interesting answers for you... but I don't. Last week, we kind of covered the closing of one of our forums, and my mixed impressions of that one. And on that one... Mixed is an imprecise word. Most words are imprecise... they approximate reality and they approximate feelings. As descriptions they always fall short of the things they try to encompass. Unfortunately... they're the best thing we've invented so far. In a lot of ways, that's a shame... they're not always enough. I think it's safe to say that as a community website we're hitting a point of some major and probably not well forseen changes. Not as a community - the "community" is never encompassed by any one website. Never will be - there's too many of us spread out among too many places, with too many ties and common bonds. Heh - the ties that bind and gag. ;] A major factor in this was the unexpected closing of one of the sites most browsed forums. Easy to understand... C&D was like a soap opera on steroids. ;] Changes from that are rippling all across the community - even the people whose major reaction was "Huh? What's C&D?" are feeling the ripples. And wondering what changes are next... So do I... I can see the ripples in the massive influx of guests into the sites other "off topic forum", the Virtual Tavern. Getting to where there's hardly anyplace for Wizzard to park his dragons any more. ;] And I can see it in the speculations running across the site... the biggest ones being "Why?" and "What next?" And it's possible that no one will believe me when I have to respond with "I haven't the slightest". Uncharted territories. And whenever you cross into uncharted territory... you spend time groping without a clear path ahead. And bumping into things and barking your shins. And, in the midst of all the speculations, there's one certainty... at the heart of all the changes are growth. I don't think there's ever been a graphic artists community of this size before on the net [correct me if I'm worng]. And there aren't any manuals for this, nor are there any roadmaps. When there aren't any roadmaps, it's easy to say where you want to go... a lot tougher to say how to get there. And sometimes it's tougher to decide precisely where you're trying to go in the first place. When you get beyond the maps... you're building it as you go along. These questions are going to continually come up, I think. And as long as we're growing... the changes will continue to come. A part of those changes is that as members, we get to decide how we're going to react to them... or in spite of them. We get to ask questions, and then decide what we want to do when those questions go unanswered. And I can see those decisions going on around me also. Sometimes loudly, sometimes quietly... but always being made. We get to build this as we go along also. ;] The sign on the top of the page says "The Grapic Artist's Community". A community isn't a website - it's a living, breathing entity made up of people. And of some of the most indendant, contrary, argumentative and flamboyant people around - artists. What binds us together is a love of creating, even if we can't agree for two minutes on what we're creating, or what we're going to create it with. Or how we're going to create it. But... this thing that we're creating, these ties that bind us, is and has always been a labor of love shared between us. In spite of our continual bickering and snarking. ;] *shrug* At some point in the midst of all of the changes, we'll come to a point where we'll decide wether this thing that we're creating and the site - or sites - that house it are going in the same direction that we are. And if not... We move on and build again. We are bigger than the things that contain us. And bigger than the things that constrain us. Sherman Barnes [Ironbear at Renderosity] Ironbear's Featured Column (click here)

Article Comments


XENOPHONZ ( posted at 12:00AM Fri, 08 February 2002

Ironbear, you seem to have an uncanny ability to speak and express your thoughts without offending anybody in the process. "Artists?" Yeah. I guess that's what we are. By rights, ANYONE can claim the title of "artist". A person is an artist because they call themselves one. As you say, Ironbear, a person is an artist because they create. From simplistic art to the most accomplished: an artist puts his soul into his work. And his fellow artists should encourage, and not discourage: the creative process. A "Community?" Perhaps that's what we can become. We'll see what follows.

Wizzard ( posted at 12:00AM Sat, 09 February 2002

nicely done my friend.. as an artistic wordsmith.. I can see how you get it done.. (ooh .. obscure) you remember what it was like way back when, whenthe choices for sites to go to was very small... and then there's now where the opportunities are extant and varied. so teh olde saw "If you don't like the weather ... move" comes into play more now than then. Time will tell and history will be re-written and we'll still be going into places and be ourselves 8 ) Cheers Oh.. the Dragon's aren't much of a problem.. I have them swap off doing garbage detail... with all the new people there's some mess about * )

foleypro ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 10 February 2002

I personally never participated in the C&D and didnt realise what it was until it was gone....So on that note I will say this.....I am just happy to be able to show off my stuff and it's sad that a few will ruin it for all....

dragongirl ( posted at 12:00AM Sun, 10 February 2002

I always enjoy your writing style and your perspective on web-doings. I didn't hang out at this forum, but when hot issues were in the air, it was a good place to find out how the wind was blowing. And that is always good information to have. -dg

Pleiades ( posted at 12:00AM Mon, 11 February 2002

You really have the words for it Ironbear. It is well said. But i think i visited this forum only twice and the only thing is that people can state there opinions and feeling but doing in manner or words that the other end won't take bad. But it's life and we change, things all around changes too. Lke i said, you said it best. By the way, love your writing and the way you say thing (more like typing) and your small corner. Thank's Pleiades

Slynky ( posted at 12:00AM Wed, 13 February 2002

poor c&d, how about everyone move onto a new topic that is a little more interesting, like say, paint drying, grass growing or something?

Ironbear ( posted at 12:00AM Wed, 13 February 2002

If it doan interest yas, read something else. ;]

Light ( posted at 12:00AM Thu, 14 February 2002

Err, for those of us who missed it, what did C&D stand for? That bit of info was all that was missing from an otherwise well-worded forum eulogy. :) -Light

Thorne ( posted at 12:00AM Thu, 14 February 2002

C&D stood for, among other things, "Complaint and Debate", "Crazy and Debilitating", "Crude and Derogatory", just to name a few. Here is the wisdom of the faeries on the subject, so listen up: It was touted that the reason for closing the forum was that it was continually off topic, there are other forms for that sort of thing by the score, blah ,blah, and more BLAH. THE ADMIN RESPONSIBLE FOR CLOSING THE FORUM DID NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT IT WS ABOUT. Off topic??? Hell yeah it was off topic and that was the point. The other point is that, SURE, there are plenty of forums out there to go and sound off, complain or rant bout this and that off topic thing, HOWEVER those other forums are NOT RENDEROSITY. DID YOU HEAR AND UNDERSTAND OH MIGHTY ADMIN? THOSE OTHER FORUMS ARE NOT RENDEROSITY. I do not wish to go to some STRANGE forum and rant; I want to rant to my friends! To my many friends and a few misinformed "enemies" as it were. HEY! This is "my" forum and i want to come here, relax, and rip off a few well phrased flames and comments AMONGST friends. Not a bunch of sore losers somehwere else in some "OTHER FORUM" where nobody has ever even heard of Poser, whether or NOT my topic had anything to do with Poser or not!!!! NOW DO YOU GET IT??? It's not about having somewhere else to go! This is "our" virtual world and many of us happen to freakin' LIKE being drama queens and all the "soap opera" that goes with it! Yes Ironbear, changes are rampant around here; too bad that can never be said about common sense. Just one faerie's opinion but of course I'm right. ;o) The inscrutable and totally inimitable Thorne =};-}>

ialora ( posted at 12:00AM Thu, 14 February 2002

"[correct me if I'm worng]". Hehe,heh... good one. You spelled "wrong" wrong. :))

Ironbear ( posted at 12:00AM Thu, 14 February 2002

Heh heh. I'm often worng about wrong. So solly. ;]


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