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Subject: AI tranparency everywhere
Maybe someone detected it: Meanwhile , I simply put a "No AI" icon on the thumbnail of the product I uploaded.
To be honest, I've done this before - but was unsure what it looks like without making a comment on the forum before and removed the (pending) item from my freestuffs. I don't want to use it as **wow, Im so special** button, but a clear sign of the content (and maybe I think tooooo much about how things look and about the feelings of others :)).
Long story short: Anyone can use this public domain symbol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:No_AI_art.svg) too.
At present, it's obvious to the eye that AI was used for the 3D generation. But it won't be soon, given the pace of generative tools. So yes, many people will want to know re: using the prop etc in comics, mini-movies, etc. Especially if they're submitting to competitions or making them for school etc. That said, when AI output becomes indistinguishable, I'm personally not going to be bothered if it is or if it isn't.
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I would say that it cannot be said with enough certainty. Otherwise I would have to say that large platforms don't care.
I just want all people to have the ability to choose for themselves (including the ability to lie about their use of AI). Not any more. Knowledge is the basis of freedom. Ad that is important.
One increasing and crushing problem with the whole AI/No AI issue is that the vast bulk and majority of content production software increasingly includes AI-driven tools and features. That is, leading software makers are packing their products to the gills with AI features and tools to the point that it will soon be difficult, if not impossible to avoid having AI in most everything made with digital tools.
The Blender Foundation made the conscious decision to exclude AI tools and features in Blender, at least for now. But few other software companies have reached the same conclusion. And these companies all tout the AI features as advantages, as reasons to buy their products. This couples up with the fact that AI output is improving. And I'm not going to go further here, except to say that the AI industry is currently consuming some 70% of all new computer hardware world-wide. That's just one metric, and there are many more, including energy consumption, water consumption, various forms of pollution, and various risks posed to human well-being by the AI models themselves. Thus, use it or not, we are all paying a ridiculously steep price for AI's role in the world today. Perhaps I should just sit in my studio and paint.
In direct competition (creators of book covers or 3D assets, in contests or similar contexts) its a sh***y move to use AI and lie about it.
The base of AI was stealing. You don't have to be friendly: it is the same primitive accumulation such as land appropriation and robber barons.
Pirates from sharing platforms are the more honourable "thieves" in this direct comparison. So yes, the AI bros and their products should be treated equally. *I* do it and I wish there would be a culture for that. But such thing need time. I hope the AI bubble (which I think it is) doesn't take the same amount of time as the subprime bubble to burst. Blockchain, crypto bros, NFT did a better job.
Buuuuuuut - long story short - I really wish an opportunity to make a statement about the use of AI in freestuff section, too ("as far as I know..."/ last 5 production steps...).
@vince5: May I offer you a "new comfortable product" that takes over your lighting, your mood and your composition of the scenes? All you have to do is select the figure and click on "guslig"? Would save a lot of time! (Yes, my words are a joke, unfortunately the product is not)
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Je ne suis pas contre l'IA et un logiciel comme AIRE pour DAZ va faire que la frontière entre 3D et IA sera plus proche de l'original . Aujourd'hui il y a des gourous du 3D total, mais autrefois on utilisait un logiciel comme GIMP pour améliorer nos images.
L'idéal serait de montrer le fichier brut et le fichier améliorer.
SHWDesign posted at 2:59 PM Sun, 9 August 2026 - #4509218
And some uses of art require that there is no AI content. For example the TTRPG market is pretty heavily biased against AI content and it is banned in many venues.Yes, as someone who has promised people I won't give them something AI based, this would be important info. I love freebies, and knowing if a computer created it or a human. yay humans.
Disclosure is always a good idea, it is very easy to do.
Please refrain from using Generative AI.
A HUGE problem that will be noticed very soon is every scene you render will be claimed as AI generated! This has happened to so many hobbyists and creatives already. They now find themselves having to prove their work is not AI Generated. Very sad but true.
This is a tactic not a feature. ;(
Still seeing lots and lots of 3D AI generated slop being approved and that in itself is a huge problem as none of it is IP or copyright protected.
Not sure if this is intentional to choose to destroy an industry?
With all the research done on Generative AI, how the models were trained and the destruction to our industries i am still not sure why any creative is supporting Generative AI models or trashing their skills to use them? After all the excitement is in the human creative process not about money. No one is really talking about the big elephant in the room. AI needs REGULATION AND GUARDRAILS over 5 years ago. Unfortunately the people and platforms we trusted threw all under a bus in the name of technological advancement when it was actually exploitation. Those who could speak up are silenced and attacked or boycotted.
I would love more than anything to just be able to create and design all day without having tech looking over my shoulder or scraping my work without consent. Trust me we are fighting this on a daily basis behind the scenes but it is simply not enough. Creative people need to stop using the tech and flooding the platforms!
In the end AI will fail tragically because it was built on exploitation not integrity or principles or even humanity in mind they are simply bleeding money in a never ending goal to deregulate. It has alligned itself with corruption and destruction with no regard for humanity.
In solidarity our industries will grow again but we all have to do our part to ensure survival of our creative industries and those that contribute to it... when forest fires destroy every living thing in it's path the roots of trees and plants always remain unharmed and with some love and care will grow stronger. Good Luck to you all and thank you for taking the time to read this. #teamhuman
I think what will happen over time, as AI tools continue to appear in all of our software and in all of our technology, is that AI will simply be accepted. This is already happening on the text side, and maybe also on the visual art side, too. With that much money plowed in and with the ongoing lack of regulation and guard rails, there is little individual artists can do about any of it. Obviously, the vast money poured in perpetuates the lack of regulation and guard rails. Money buys influence as well as computer chips. It's not a surprise that a multi-trillion dollar enterprise operates largely without supervision. And I won't be surprised when the law changes to give AI works some copyright protection. Governments seem to lack the will and wherewithal to protect human interests. The initial theft of human creative works was only the beginning.
Put another way, the more generative art appears, the more we're exposed to it, the more it becomes normalized into our visual culture. The generated art wins by continuing to circulate on the internet and other places. Humans will see it and the sight of it wears down our defenses against it until it becomes just another form of visual imagery that we accept as normal. In point of fact, as time goes on, we may become completely incapable of discerning that which is made by humans from that which is made by machines.
Torquinox posted at 6:31 PM Sat, 29 August 2026 - #4509886
Completely disagree!Put another way, the more generative art appears, the more we're exposed to it, the more it becomes normalized into our visual culture. The generated art wins by continuing to circulate on the internet and other places. Humans will see it and the sight of it wears down our defenses against it until it becomes just another form of visual imagery that we accept as normal. In point of fact, as time goes on, we may become completely incapable of discerning that which is made by humans from that which is made by machines.
Generative AI is already proving to fail.
They are bleeding money because the tech needs deregulation, loads of essential resources and exploitation to work. It is unsustainable. Some games and platforms are now dropping anything to do with GenAI. The Tech does not do what it is sopposed to do and when it does... it does it terribly. It has become a danger to society without any regulations.
The very exploitative nature of generated images is already proving that there is no value in it and people are simply sick of seeing it. Very few are making money from it. Even an untrained eye can tell now if it is GenAI or not. On 3D platforms any generated AI content is not really selling because of supply, demand and the violations to human rights. It is worthless, sloppy and lazy. Images Created by an algorithm that violates copyright law and human rights will never achieve copyright unless there is corruption and deregulation involved.
As for giving up on humanity and getting used to seeing it well you really can't avoid it anyway because there is just too much of it flooding all and every platform on a daily basis and most are sick of it...I know for a fact there are many of us fighting and will never give up on humanity and just accept the violations because if this is left unchecked well then all can say goodbye to democracy and human rights. There would be simply no point to learn or create anything.
On 3D art platforms customers are choosing human made rather than the AIgenerated that is geared towards the creative hacks and frauds.
Just because you can does not mean you should and i am seeing as time goes on people are disgusted by the absolute flood of AI generated images. I hear people on a daily basis who absolutely hate Generative AI and see it as slop and they are not in the creative industries.
If certain creatives still want to use it and cannibalize themselves and their fellow creatives well then i feel sorry for them. I suppose it is easier to put your head in the sand than to stand for humanity.
I personally do not see AI as a Tool as it was never meant to be a tool. It was made to be a replacement for those who actually put the hard work in and chose to learn a skill, learned to write, paint, play music, be a scientist, sing, etc.. GenAI would not work or be possible without the worlds data unfortunately it did'nt respect humanity.
In the end everyone has a choice. You can choose to use Exploitative technology and become a hack or you can respect humanity and learn a skill. The initial theft of human creative works was intentional and a test for what is to come... trust me no one is left out of the equation as we are seeing now in realtime. It is up to all to do their part. I personally will never support any person who uses GenerativeAI in their book, music, art, Etc. and have taken steps in my life to avoid using the Generative tech and i love to use my everyday AI-free technology on a daily basis. So it is Very possible to avoid GenAI with effort. Finally, There is a huge group of creatives still fighting for what is right...so i really can not see a future for exploitative tech. The lawsuits are still ongoing and the fight for regulation and guardrails is still present. Some very good steps have already been taken in the EU with more to come.
And this:
With respect to the research projects from University of Chicago, I don't know if you've downloaded or tried nightshade or glaze. I did. It was a very large download that required a lot of computer hardware to use and took considerable time and power to complete even one picture. To be effective would have required a mass buy-in from the creative public, especially Nightshade. That was never going to happen. Neither glaze nor nightshade was ever intended to become a commercial product. It was a nice thought experiment from the researchers that did it, and it's over. So, it's not the answer to image theft for AI training. Also, the treated images read as AI-generated, which makes sense since those are AI processes being used to fight AI.
I also see the big problems of doing something against these big companies as an individual. Fortunately, you don't have to. And what I look at I can choose myself. I can read AI-free books, look at ai-free art until the end of my life.
For Rendo I wish that it gives you the opportunity to choose. Everywhere. The difference between Freestuff and Marketplace + Gallery is strange. Yes, this includes the opportunity of cheatin, lying, involutary making false statements about (no)AI-use (if you didn't know your software or you trusted resources which lied...). But that are the aguments against every rule: someone could break it.
I'm almost sure this issue won't last long. At the moment, there is no 'AI' that does what was promised (that's why it is called 'generative' not 'creative'). There are machines that execute commands. The only thing that is new is the way these commands can be designed. That doesn't work either so you need a lot of people around the world to 'train' these machines. Because it is not enough to simply spit out the most likely (=calculated) result.
But what exists at the moment: a large amount of untied money that needs to be invested; tech guys with projects that are not profitable, so more investment is needed; producers of stuff who want to tell their employees: 'you could be replaced by AI, so be silent'; even people who see it all but think: It doesn't matter if it works, as long as I get money out of it.
And the artists? I think as long as things like metamixer exist people will use it. Metamixer was introduced for G8.
Everything you stated, I agree with 100%.Torquinox posted at 6:31 PM Sat, 29 August 2026 - #4509886
Completely disagree!Put another way, the more generative art appears, the more we're exposed to it, the more it becomes normalized into our visual culture. The generated art wins by continuing to circulate on the internet and other places. Humans will see it and the sight of it wears down our defenses against it until it becomes just another form of visual imagery that we accept as normal. In point of fact, as time goes on, we may become completely incapable of discerning that which is made by humans from that which is made by machines.
Generative AI is already proving to fail.
They are bleeding money because the tech needs deregulation, loads of essential resources and exploitation to work. It is unsustainable. Some games and platforms are now dropping anything to do with GenAI. The Tech does not do what it is sopposed to do and when it does... it does it terribly. It has become a danger to society without any regulations.
The very exploitative nature of generated images is already proving that there is no value in it and people are simply sick of seeing it. Very few are making money from it. Even an untrained eye can tell now if it is GenAI or not. On 3D platforms any generated AI content is not really selling because of supply, demand and the violations to human rights. It is worthless, sloppy and lazy. Images Created by an algorithm that violates copyright law and human rights will never achieve copyright unless there is corruption and deregulation involved.
As for giving up on humanity and getting used to seeing it well you really can't avoid it anyway because there is just too much of it flooding all and every platform on a daily basis and most are sick of it...I know for a fact there are many of us fighting and will never give up on humanity and just accept the violations because if this is left unchecked well then all can say goodbye to democracy and human rights. There would be simply no point to learn or create anything.
On 3D art platforms customers are choosing human made rather than the AIgenerated that is geared towards the creative hacks and frauds.
Just because you can does not mean you should and i am seeing as time goes on people are disgusted by the absolute flood of AI generated images. I hear people on a daily basis who absolutely hate Generative AI and see it as slop and they are not in the creative industries.
If certain creatives still want to use it and cannibalize themselves and their fellow creatives well then i feel sorry for them. I suppose it is easier to put your head in the sand than to stand for humanity.
I personally do not see AI as a Tool as it was never meant to be a tool. It was made to be a replacement for those who actually put the hard work in and chose to learn a skill, learned to write, paint, play music, be a scientist, sing, etc.. GenAI would not work or be possible without the worlds data unfortunately it did'nt respect humanity.
In the end everyone has a choice. You can choose to use Exploitative technology and become a hack or you can respect humanity and learn a skill. The initial theft of human creative works was intentional and a test for what is to come... trust me no one is left out of the equation as we are seeing now in realtime. It is up to all to do their part. I personally will never support any person who uses GenerativeAI in their book, music, art, Etc. and have taken steps in my life to avoid using the Generative tech and i love to use my everyday AI-free technology on a daily basis. So it is Very possible to avoid GenAI with effort. Finally, There is a huge group of creatives still fighting for what is right...so i really can not see a future for exploitative tech. The lawsuits are still ongoing and the fight for regulation and guardrails is still present. Some very good steps have already been taken in the EU with more to come.
And many are seeing who are the culprits using Gen AI. They are the ones who are JEALOUS, ENVIOUS of others having a skill they worked on for years.
These are the same type of people who work 9 to 5 Dead End Jobs, for 40 hour shifts. Choose NOT to do something better in their lives by working on creating a Trade skil, but instead ruin other people's livlihood cause they choose not to develop something themselves. And not only that, these are the SAME PEOPLE who are also easily manipulated by Propaganda and Indoctrination. I won't go any further on that, cause I know there are MANY in Rendo who will get "TRIGGERED" over what I will say and already hate my guts for being UNPLUGGED and knowing the truth.
ESG/DEI was stone 1, and bringing in of AI was STONE 2 to remove Human Creativity.
I'm sorry, you don't want to work on creating a skill, who's fault is it really? Ours or YOURS?
F AI and ESG/DEI both. Both are manipulated by Corpos.
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I'll make these points: Both The_Row_House and Gohanf22 are correct in stating that the AI vendors intend to obviate artists and creative people. The leaders of the AI world said as much. The question is whether that particular effort is succeeding. It's probably hurting illustrators, because illustrators are constantly marginalized in the workplace, It may be hurting some fine artists since the AI art is consuming audience bandwidth. It's the latest thing. it's still a novelty. The art world loves novelty.
Beyond that, AI art is becoming part of our visual culture. See, visual culture doesn't care where the art comes from. It simply is the composite result of all the art and imagery we're exposed to, and we're all exposed to a lot of AI-generated art and imagery - Probably more than we even know. And for all those opposed, there are plenty in favor, even among creative people. I am, of course, vehemently opposed. But it doesn't matter. Even in this sphere, it doesn't matter. DreamUp is a feature of DeviantArt. Daz has AI projects and some tutorials about using AI. Rendo allows AI products in its store and AI images in its gallery. The purveyors of digital creative tools increasingly include AI in accessible features, if not as part of their products' core functionality. So, it's becoming more difficult to avoid AI in digital art.
Filmmakers are using AI to make movies. Artists are using AI to make artwork. The public is using all manner of AI generator to make all sorts of things. It really doesn't matter that a lot of it is crap. A lot of human art is also crap! The problem is how much of it the generators can generate in a ridiculously short period of time. Human art can be flooded out! And for every person who doesn't like it, others do like it because it is seductive.
It's nigh impossible to effectively argue that AI art isn't art. It's in the philosophical nature of art to say that artworks made with AI by people who intend to present the generated images as art are art. A work of art can be anything. Even a candy bar or a shipping crate can be art if they are made with the intention of them being art and if some institution of the art world accepts them as art. Whether those items are any good is another question. And frequently, the art world answer is, well, how much money did it sell for? Because art is also a commodity. That's a Danto-oriented viewpoint. It may be more fruitful to invoke Baudrillard. Then, you quickly realize that the AI generators are simulacra of artists and generate more art than art, the way Wall Street is more money than money.
Anyway, this is already way more than I should say here. But why should I sit here and pretend I'm ignorant of the topic, the issues around it, or what they mean? Copyright never really stopped artists from stealing. They call it appropriation, and it usually works out, even in court. I will also point out, an artist using AI already won a painting competition with AI art, there are now competitions for artists making AI art, AI art has been sold at auction, and AI art has been exhibited in galleries and museums. So, it does not seem to me that AI art is losing. I would argue it is winning because it is becoming a persistent part of our visual culture, it is created by artists with the intention of being art, it is accepted by institutions of the art world, and it is sold as art. The leading works make a fair amount of money at auction, too. So, it may be an infuriating situation, but it is what it is. And that's really all I care to say about it.
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Since peope are interested in knowing where AI is used (and in the gallery + marketplace there is an option to say and figure it out) I strongly recommend to implement this also in the freestuff section. Currently it is the only place where you can't know about it.