Here another night shot. I crop it because the rest was black. I had my tripod on the dash in my truck. I going to stop that for I find myselg on the wrong side of the road. Thankful no one was around at the time. I say this type of photos may not have any art value but it was fun. LOL I eating my own words now I see a lot of art in them. You just have to look and see with a mind of a child[ok big child]. It the same photo I use thought out and even the background is the same it just enlarge and ran thought a neg. filther. I could have use 500 diff filthers but this was good and I like the photo gallery. 2d is good too I like it there too. So that why I did not go to the filthers but one and it was the neg. filther. I did some fades I guess you can call that a filther and one shadow too . That all I remember I post this in the photo formus here is the link http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12379&Form.ShowMessage=2470256 there is another way I did this and it in the forum and you can see the photo by itself too; but most like this one the best. Go there to see what I asked. Be too long here. thanks for putting up with my writing. Lol I never wrote so much intill I got on Rend. and looking too thanks please comment too is welcome