Forum: AI Generated Art

https://app.wombo.art/

A different one... no login required, 20 art styles, can combine artwork with an uploaded image. The output resolution is excellent too.

I enhanced it to 2400pix for you, that's 6X, your welcome :smile:

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randym77 posted at 4:58 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440979

Oh, and one thing to keep in mind...the US copyright office has determined that AI-created artwork cannot be copyrighted.

Art does not need to be copyright protected ! No need to got to an office making a Copyright deposit , If the painting Image is unique, even a collage, place your signature on it and voila. Your signature is the copyright, does not matter if you used real paint, digital paint, a 3D App, else it would be the same thing with your digital artworks they all belong to Rendo, or lets say divided into the original creators of the mesh you used :) , the Painting would belong to the creator of the Paint, and on and on, nothing would belong to you. But I guess that is a little the American "megalomania" mentality.

It is nice to see such ideas, the results, but not the mentality in these forums that on every little thing the words copyright appear . Like litte Gods that want to control all artists limiting them to ask for permission.

TwiztidKidd posted at 6:12 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440983

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You got a new Avatar !!! :) :)

TwiztidKidd posted at 5:48 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440982

I enhanced it to 2400pix for you, that's 6X, your welcome :smile:

Thanks :D

Cascade777 posted at 6:37 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440986

randym77 posted at 4:58 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440979
Oh, and one thing to keep in mind...the US copyright office has determined that AI-created artwork cannot be copyrighted.
Art does not need to be copyright protected ! No need to got to an office making a Copyright deposit , If the painting Image is unique, even a collage, place your signature on it and voila. Your signature is the copyright, does not matter if you used real paint, digital paint, a 3D App, else it would be the same thing with your digital artworks they all belong to Rendo, or lets say divided into the original creators of the mesh you used :) , the Painting would belong to the creator of the Paint, and on and on, nothing would belong to you. But I guess that is a little the American "megalomania" mentality.
It is nice to see such ideas, the results, but not the mentality in these forums that on every little thing the words copyright appear . Like litte Gods that want to control all artists limiting them to ask for permission.

I think you would probably be okay if you didn't say the AI created the work.

The case in question, ruled on in February, hinged on a decision that only human-authored works qualify for copyright.

Something similar happened with a photo taken by a monkey, that went viral. The photographer whose gear was used could not keep it from being used by anyone who wanted to, because it was determined that the monkey took the photo and being non-human, could not copyright it.

Here's one I tried - just gave it the word 'dragon'

randym77 posted at 10:52 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440996

Cascade777 posted at 6:37 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440986
randym77 posted at 4:58 PM Sat, 9 July 2022 - #4440979
Oh, and one thing to keep in mind...the US copyright office has determined that AI-created artwork cannot be copyrighted.
Art does not need to be copyright protected ! No need to got to an office making a Copyright deposit , If the painting Image is unique, even a collage, place your signature on it and voila. Your signature is the copyright, does not matter if you used real paint, digital paint, a 3D App, else it would be the same thing with your digital artworks they all belong to Rendo, or lets say divided into the original creators of the mesh you used :) , the Painting would belong to the creator of the Paint, and on and on, nothing would belong to you. But I guess that is a little the American "megalomania" mentality.
It is nice to see such ideas, the results, but not the mentality in these forums that on every little thing the words copyright appear . Like litte Gods that want to control all artists limiting them to ask for permission.
I think you would probably be okay if you didn't say the AI created the work.
The case in question, ruled on in February, hinged on a decision that only human-authored works qualify for copyright.
Something similar happened with a photo taken by a monkey, that went viral. The photographer whose gear was used could not keep it from being used by anyone who wanted to, because it was determined that the monkey took the photo and being non-human, could not copyright it.

Well then Picasso the Pig had allot of luck in your Country with he's art ! He saved a Farm. It is just good that the US is just a little part of it all else they would be starting to Place there absurd copyright rules over the whole Planet :D Worth a thought about why you can't take out the Battery of your Cellphones and Tablets :) the way you could before !

I'm not saying I agree with the decision. In this recent case especially...Steven Thaler had gotten a patent for his art-creating algorithm. But he could not get copyright for the works it created. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, I think copyright has gone a little too far, and benefits large corporations more than individual artists. (Disney, I'm lookin' at you.) As for me...I have had my work "borrowed" many times, and haven't filed any lawsuits or sent any takedown requests. (Notable examples: a major newspaper swiped a photo I took to use with one of their articles, with no permission asked and no credit given. A business in upstate NY is using an image I made as their Facebook header, again, no permission asked and no credit given.) I'm not a copyright fanatic.

But I don't make a living off my art. Those who do should at least be aware of this issue.

I'm not going to drop money for this, but: gorgeous pictures ❤

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VedaDalsette posted at 10:58 AM Sun, 10 July 2022 - #4441010

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Somebody had to try it.

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Y-Phil posted at 10:51 AM Sun, 10 July 2022 - #4441009

I'm not going to drop money for this, but: gorgeous pictures ❤

https://app.wombo.art/ <--- it's completely free!!! You don't even need to sign in.

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I've used Wombo before so I thought I'd compare using the same words: Ocean sunset castle and waterfall

Here is night cafe

and here is Wombo

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Gorgeous, the night cafe render. Looks even better enhanced :smile:

Words used: ocean sunset castle waterfall

Art style: Arcane

Using night cafe - gave it this poem:

There’s a Dalek at the bottom of my garden,
Its lid is rusted now and fallen in,
A Rubik cube that’s lacking half its stickers
And a fairy sleeping on our compost bin.

and got (1)

Anyone tried using the same words and settings several times to see if it create new images or if it just makes the same ones?

I just used night cafe with the same poem A_Sunbeam did and it gave me somethiing a little different - I didn't see if I could save at a higher resolution but this is what I got without an account.

Upscaled the tiny render :smile:

Word used: renderosity

Wombo art

Fascinating results!

We need a new category listing - not just "other apps" but an "AI apps" for uploading images.

TwiztidKidd posted at 2:32 PM Sun, 10 July 2022 - #4441015

Y-Phil posted at 10:51 AM Sun, 10 July 2022 - #4441009
I'm not going to drop money for this, but: gorgeous pictures ❤
https://app.wombo.art/ <--- it's completely free!!! You don't even need to sign in.

Thank you for pointing out my mistake: I wasn't on the right website :smile:

I've tried these words: flying fractal, art style: Ghibli

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Words: Ren and Stimpy :smile:

1st one is no style, 2nd is steampunk style

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Words: La Femm

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Blimey. Here's one I did called Boris Johnson's Girfriend. TBH, it looks like it gave up halfway, possibly because he'll fuck anything with a pulse.

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Here's one from Wombo, featuring - as if you couldn't guess - Daleks.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Here's another Wombo thing, again with Dalek but run through the Dali algorithm.

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Aaaand... since this is Poser, and where would we be without nekkid wimmins...

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

And again...

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Interesting. Similar, but not the same.

Some of those sites say they'll learn from users, so maybe there will be constant evolution?

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Chinese dragon flying over desert

Dark Fantasy: twisted pinup

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Batman Versus Ashley Graham (no, I don't know why, either):

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David Bowie eating the Starship Enterprise - Psychic style:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Steampunk version:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Strange Meal:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Prompt suggested by my good lady, Claire:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

What If I Took A Piece Of Mud And Carved It Into A Body Horror Vaginal Foldy Vase Vessel And Painted it with Ground Glass And Plopped It In A Volcano And Then In A Hungover State Photographed It On Black Velvet And Then Sold It...

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I like it. Couldn't use the whole of your text for input, though; it's too long for Wombo. Still, I could try a truncated version. Off we go...

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Salvador Dali version:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Steampunk version:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Dark Fantasy version:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Psychic version:

Which somehow seems to have become male in the process. :D

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

Hey SamTherapy that's pretty cool actually 😆👍

And here I was expecting a hostile reaction lol

Not in the least, definitely not from me.

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I'm definitely loving this. I'm finding a real gold mine of inspiration for paintings. Can't see much utility with Poser - other than backgrounds - but as a starting point for something, this is definitely the thing I've been looking for.

Once in a while, it will come up with something really close to what you type. For example, here's the creation from the input Tom Waits:

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.

https://www.creativindie.com/midjourney-ai-for-book-cover-design-how-is-this-legal/

Not bad as a background.

Forest, rock, sunset.

Tried a silly poem:

My duck has got his brolly, It's pouring down today, With wellies and with plastic hat He's paddled off to play.

Now that Midjourney AI is in open beta I'm curious if anyone has constructed an image prompted by a thousand words...

...

Interesting... Comparing similar ai art apps, using the same words and styles. Should be an interesting competition or event.

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I don't know ghostship, some of the things being produced with midjourney are pretty impressive from an illustration standpoint. Have you looked? I think it's horrifying, but impressive. Horrifying to the craft I mean. To think artists like Zdzisław Beksiński used to labor away at making similar sort of images and now people with no art skills whatsoever are producing things in that vein with word prompts.

But you don't strike me as someone who would like that kind of work anyway, just judging from your renders, so it wouldn't raise any alarms probably. Now if it starts easily producing well lit, pbr render correct images of V4 and cars and such en masse you might get a little concerned. Right now it's mostly painterly stuff. Right now.

Beksiński

Along that line of thought do you think TwiztedKid has to work as hard as you do to produce a picture of a woman? He obviously uses AI or something along those lines and everyone in the galleries say "beautiful render, so realistic" :D

...and people are selling this stuff. A client doesn't care about the means, just the product.

There are debates cropping up on YouTube around this very subject and the potential of stifling creativity and artistic skill. Is it really your own creation when the only input you provided is just written words and expressions? Great if you add your own touch to it afterward, but seems wrong if you take it at face value.

I don't put a signature on a wombo unless I use it as part of a picture actually created by me.

Imagine all of the skill, dexterity, and creative choices during each brush stroke that Beksiński had to bring to bear creating that surrealist Piper painting in my examples post.

Now imagine someone, a person that hasn't dedicated themselves to developing such imagination, knowledge, and dexterity, typing in this prompt

Somber Surreal futurist Apocalyptic Skeletal Piper

And producing a comparable result in a manner of minutes.

Is it progress?

primorge posted at 8:20 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443197

Imagine all of the skill, dexterity, and creative choices during each brush stroke that Beksiński had to bring to bear creating that surrealist Piper painting in my examples post.
Now imagine someone, a person that hasn't dedicated themselves to developing such imagination, knowledge, and dexterity, typing in this prompt
Somber Surreal futurist Apocalyptic Skeletal Piper
And producing a comparable result in a manner of minutes.
Is it progress?

No, not really. It's just a lazy person's way of creating imaginative pictures, not real art. IMHO, it takes time and talent to produce real art using whatever media at hand. AI is just a starting point for creative keyboardist. I admit that picture of the piper was extremely good. I like it, but would I be able to create such an image from scratch even on the computer within either DAZ studio or Poser? Probably not. Not even in Paintshop Pro or that other company that I shall not name (PS, grumble, grumble). I had an inkling that this was coming, ever since I took Digital Media Communication course. The world is inching slowly towards complete Virtual and Augmented Reality. Interesting to read about it in a cyberpunk novel.

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ThunderStone posted at 9:40 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443198

primorge posted at 8:20 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443197
Imagine all of the skill, dexterity, and creative choices during each brush stroke that Beksiński had to bring to bear creating that surrealist Piper painting in my examples post.
Now imagine someone, a person that hasn't dedicated themselves to developing such imagination, knowledge, and dexterity, typing in this prompt
Somber Surreal futurist Apocalyptic Skeletal Piper
And producing a comparable result in a manner of minutes.
Is it progress?
No, not really. It's just a lazy person's way of creating imaginative pictures, not real art. IMHO, it takes time and talent to produce real art using whatever media at hand. AI is just a starting point for creative keyboardist. I admit that picture of the piper was extremely good. I like it, but would I be able to create such an image from scratch even on the computer within either DAZ studio or Poser? Probably not. Not even in Paintshop Pro or that other company that I shall not name (PS, grumble, grumble). I had an inkling that this was coming, ever since I took Digital Media Communication course. The world is inching slowly towards complete Virtual and Augmented Reality. Interesting to read about it in a cyberpunk novel.

Well...

One of the hallmarks of Cyberpunk is that it's largely Dystopian.

primorge posted at 9:46 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443199

ThunderStone posted at 9:40 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443198
primorge posted at 8:20 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443197
Imagine all of the skill, dexterity, and creative choices during each brush stroke that Beksiński had to bring to bear creating that surrealist Piper painting in my examples post.
Now imagine someone, a person that hasn't dedicated themselves to developing such imagination, knowledge, and dexterity, typing in this prompt
Somber Surreal futurist Apocalyptic Skeletal Piper
And producing a comparable result in a manner of minutes.
Is it progress?
No, not really. It's just a lazy person's way of creating imaginative pictures, not real art. IMHO, it takes time and talent to produce real art using whatever media at hand. AI is just a starting point for creative keyboardist. I admit that picture of the piper was extremely good. I like it, but would I be able to create such an image from scratch even on the computer within either DAZ studio or Poser? Probably not. Not even in Paintshop Pro or that other company that I shall not name (PS, grumble, grumble). I had an inkling that this was coming, ever since I took Digital Media Communication course. The world is inching slowly towards complete Virtual and Augmented Reality. Interesting to read about it in a cyberpunk novel.
Well...
One of the hallmarks of Cyberpunk is that it's largely Dystopian.

Exactly! Which is why I have, in my surfing, come across a lot of Dystopian artworks in the cyberpunk genre. Take a look at most of the pictures in the gallery. No matter the style used, it is expressed in a Dystopian manner.

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Each time a new artform comes about, those who have used other forms want to say that it isn't art. It was said about Poser. It was said about 3d art in general. It was said about digital painting. It was said about photography. I wouldn't be surprised if it was said about classic forms of art too by those who prefer other forms. It might not need the skills a Poser artist uses. But those are a different set than a photographer or a painter uses. And those are different from a dancer. I've only messed with AI art a few times, but I can say it isn't just about typing a few words. It's more like visual writing rather than painting. You can get junk. You need the right words in the right order to get something good.

Will this replace traditional or even digital art? Did photography replace painting? Subjects and styles may have changed, but painting is still out there. I don't see this replacing other forms. And with the inability to copyright the images, it probably won't grow as much as we think.

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Depending on how it is presented, there might have a tremendous impact on commercialism, and how branded corporations can market the medium through visual design. It would certainly save money to have an in-house design technician generate abstract art this way than to pay thousands, perhaps millions, of dollars to an established artist.

RedPhantom posted at 10:41 AM Tue, 23 August 2022 - #4443202

Each time a new artform comes about, those who have used other forms want to say that it isn't art. It was said about Poser. It was said about 3d art in general. It was said about digital painting. It was said about photography. I wouldn't be surprised if it was said about classic forms of art too by those who prefer other forms. It might not need the skills a Poser artist uses. But those are a different set than a photographer or a painter uses. And those are different from a dancer. I've only messed with AI art a few times, but I can say it isn't just about typing a few words. It's more like visual writing rather than painting. You can get junk. You need the right words in the right order to get something good.
Will this replace traditional or even digital art? Did photography replace painting? Subjects and styles may have changed, but painting is still out there. I don't see this replacing other forms. And with the inability to copyright the images, it probably won't grow as much as we think.

I graduated with honors from a fine art school in San Francisco, I'm pretty aware of the notions of "is this art?"

Certainly it won't replace established and traditional mediums.

It's the vagueness that's a bit troubling. And the ideas of value, tradition, skill, and authorship. Which yes has always been a debate in the what is art question. However I don't think it's of the same value as something that is the product of skill, training, dexterity, and evolved style... No matter how many words are thrown at it. Does it have it's place? Sure it already does. Is it of the same value culturally and intellectually from the human experience?

Just my opinion.

...and I'm not so certain that midjourney images can't be copyrighted. I'll have to look into that when I get home. Probably not best to try and formulate art speak debate while at work lol.

I went by this link here when I said that about copyrighting. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/ It may change.

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It's vague. There's conflicting things. Apparently if you have a commercial license to midjourney the copyright is yours but not exclusively? Seems like something copyright law has yet to come to terms with.

In the meantime people probably shouldn't look at the AI art produced by the apps used in this thread but rather at the stuff midjourney can produce. There's a very big reason why some are thrilled and others not so much. There's an artist here in the Galleries that produces AI assisted art. Pretty cool work. Sci Fi Fantasy type work. The AI use is obvious and the artist is very prolific. One can only imagine the volume and quality of the work is commensurate with the reliance on AI. The words Not Humanly Possible come to mind. I'm unnerved by it, I can't help it.

Here's a good article about midjourney with a lot of fantastic images and some interesting commentary...

Part of the issue imho is the collaboration between human and AI. Is it mostly AI with only a small portion of human input? I've seen some other AI that takes your existing work and creates a new piece based on that. I think that's a different approach which would actually be a benefit to Poser. Imagine setting up your scene in Poser and having the AI render it for you (with variations that you can choose). But I dunno if Poser 13 will happen as I haven't heard a peep from development.

Poser 12.0.1029 was just released yesterday.

If one day Poser could have kind of plugins as render engines, this would extend the possibilities. Two of them could be proposed by default: Firefly and Superfly.

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"An AI-generated artwork’s state fair victory fuels arguments over ‘what art is’"

https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado

Somebody won the Colorado State Fair fine arts competition with an image created by an AI text to image generator.

randym77 posted at 11:45 AM Fri, 2 September 2022 - #4443827

"An AI-generated artwork’s state fair victory fuels arguments over ‘what art is’"
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado
Somebody won the Colorado State Fair fine arts competition with an image created by an AI text to image generator.

Greqt thread, thanks to Lisa for pointing it out, awesome to see art rather than endless debates

wish I could upload some, I tried,

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correction MissB pointed it out, thanks

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randym77 posted at 11:45 AM Fri, 2 September 2022 - #4443827

"An AI-generated artwork’s state fair victory fuels arguments over ‘what art is’"
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado
Somebody won the Colorado State Fair fine arts competition with an image created by an AI text to image generator.

Yes, I saw that in my NY Times eNewsletter.

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wendyvainity posted at 1:39 PM Sat, 3 September 2022 - #4443860

correction MissB pointed it out, thanks
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Beautiful results.

But all I do is provide a phrase and wombo does the rest.

It's not MY work.

I enjoy the results, but -

I did not create it.

So ... should I even publish it here as mine?

A_Sunbeam posted at 2:41 PM Sat, 3 September 2022 - #4443867

Beautiful results.
But all I do is provide a phrase and wombo does the rest.
It's not MY work.
I enjoy the results, but -
I did not create it.
So ... should I even publish it here as mine?

Just state you used AI to create it.

The novelty of this will wear off. There's no process. There's no engagement along the way, decision making challenges, and compromise to bring your vision to life. Compromise is one of the hallmarks of an evolved personal style, it's the methods you arrive after finding what you can and cannot do and what works best on a personal level to serve the vision. In many ways this is meant for non artists, and has a sort of "oh neat" quality. That being said there isn't any serious commitment so there won't be a long standing engagement. Masturbatory.

Don't get me wrong, aside from the things I mentioned this will have a ton of uses... it's in it's infancy. Using it as just another tool in a more evolved process seems reasonable.Though I'm a bit disturbed by it in all reality I'm a married man looking at a man visiting a prostitute. I doubt anyone can love this, alone, from an engaging process oriented standpoint... at least not for long.

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I realize this is an old post, but just wanted to point out, you can now copyright Ai art. It's absolutely exploded and there's no stopping it. The point is to work with the tech, rather than against it, because it will soon branch into animation, and will just keep getting better. Imagine having Ai that can animate your Poser and DAZ OCs without all the hassle of keyframes.

https://www.creativebloq.com/news/ai-art-copyright

Agreed. Not to mention that judging by AI proponent's gallery work suddenly becoming a lot more "talented" in their image creation abilities there's going to be a cold wind of ego death sweeping the art world. Who needs mom's chocolate chip cookies, we got Robo 2047's cookies now.

Joe Schmoe suddenly became Boris Vallejo lol.

primorge posted at 1:58 PM Mon, 17 October 2022 - #4446871

Agreed. Not to mention that judging by AI proponent's gallery work suddenly becoming a lot more "talented" in their image creation abilities there's going to be a cold wind of ego death sweeping the art world. Who needs mom's chocolate chip cookies, we got Robo 2047's cookies now..

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Can someone move this thread to the nearest dumpster where it belongs? It has nothing to do with Poser software.

Thank you!

TwiztidKidd posted at 7:36 AM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4446992

Can someone move this thread to the nearest dumpster where it belongs? It has nothing to do with Poser software.
Thank you!

Problem....
Given the rather heavy news, especially in the world of public health, many dumpsters are full to bursting

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Y-Phil posted at 8:13 AM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4446995

TwiztidKidd posted at 7:36 AM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4446992
Can someone move this thread to the nearest dumpster where it belongs? It has nothing to do with Poser software.
Thank you!
Problem....
Given the rather heavy news, especially in the world of public health, many dumpsters are full to bursting
:grin:

Would rather have a separate, but equal folder for the AI created Artworks, since it's no longer a "Look and see what I can do with AI" project. This would be a great project for people who are interested in creating Poser backgrounds.

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ThunderStone posted at 9:49 AM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4446999

Would rather have a separate, but equal folder for the AI created Artworks, since it's no longer a "Look and see what I can do with AI" project. This would be a great project for people who are interested in creating Poser backgrounds.

There is a separate thread in the Mixed Medium forum titled Figament's AI Corner with lots of great AI work, for those who are interested.

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thanks for pointing it out

Since I use Poser, Daz, Photoshop and now Stable Diffusion AI to get the results I want, mixed medium is probably the best place. Mixed is a good fit, imho.

where is that forum BTW? I found it through Google site search but I cannot find it here, this is why I rarely post on this forum

https://www.renderosity.com/forums/12484/mixed-medium

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I cannot get to it from https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/ but yes did find another way since posting as long as I don't choose all general at the bottom, it and a few others are listed in the forum flyout

wendyvainity posted at 12:04 PM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4447016

I cannot get to it from https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/ but yes did find another way since posting as long as I don't choose all general at the bottom, it and a few others are listed in the forum flyout

OK Wendy, here's how you can see the Mixed Medium forum all the time. Click on the little arrow next to your Avatar at the top right of the Forums, and it will give you a list.

Click on the SETTINGS near the bottom of the list, and scroll down that page to Forums Visibility. There you can choose which forums you want to see all the time, and down near the bottom of the page it lists all the available forums. Mixed Medium is down near the bottom, and all you need to do is click in the left check box next to it, and it will place a check mark in that square.

Save it, and then do a hard refresh of the main forum page, and you should see it down in the Topics section near the bottom of the page.

Hope that helps. :slight_smile:

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yes, don't think I looked at that page in the last 10 years, I do recall it vaguely, had no idea I was missing out on so much forum! thankyou

You're welcome Wendy. I haven't looked there in a long time, mostly because I chose the forums I always wanted to see, and then didn't have the need to add anymore.

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I saw a warning someone posted on social media yesterday, telling people not to pay for commissioned art unless they show you sketches and works in progress. I guess people are selling AI created art as hand-drawn.

Not sure where that leaves us Poserers.

randym77 posted at 2:39 AM Thu, 20 October 2022 - #4447087

I saw a warning someone posted on social media yesterday, telling people not to pay for commissioned art unless they show you sketches and works in progress. I guess people are selling AI created art as hand-drawn.
Not sure where that leaves us Poserers.

wireframe renders

I might be taking a bit of a break from AI Art by looks, update broke program I use, also got a rather ambiguous sitemail from one of the users of that forum about posting there.

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So much drama because of that AI !

you have to ask your self about :

When making Poser art with purchased models is your creation intellectually yours ? Nor really as you are not the Intellectual owner of the 3d meshes used for your work ! You can't clame it as yours's, you sort of made fan art. Rules are the same for Poser, DS, AI etc.

If you make a Outfit based on V4 Bones is that outfit yours ? Not really Intellectual rights still go to the V4 owner. This are actually your rules ! So what is really yours on the "derived Art" you make ? I Mean Derived as most you used in Poser, Daz, Ai is not Intellectually yours and never will be as you are not the real creator.

Making it simple, The signature is yours, weather a Dirivitive Artwork, a Fan Art, a Ai. The Print is yours if you sign it . But wat you used is Derivative Art nothing else. So Poser is in the same boat like Ai, not more rights, probably even less as AI that might have results that are more unique then the Derived stuff made in Poser DS in witch you have no Intellectual rights.

Moving this to the Mixed Medium forum since it is not Poser related.

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Sadly A.I. Art IS altering existing copyrighted artwork... sometimes you can see the artist's name and logo blurred out.

Done with Wombo Art, prompt "thomas kinkade", style "realistic"

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Giger meets Da Vinci

Remember...No matter where you go there you are

oh cool, I can share some of my stuff then too

this is a Deforum Stable Diffusion reinterpretation of my viral video from 12 years ago

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I had only been doing 3D a year and was unprepared for the views it got

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LastQuest posted at 5:36 AM Thu, 20 October 2022 - #4447093

So much drama because of that AI !
you have to ask your self about :
When making Poser art with purchased models is your creation intellectually yours ? Nor really as you are not the Intellectual owner of the 3d meshes used for your work ! You can't clame it as yours's, you sort of made fan art. Rules are the same for Poser, DS, AI etc.

I think if you legally acquired the meshes, then yes, it is yours.

There's precedent for this in the traditional art world. There have been court cases about it. If you're an artist, and create a painting or sculpture based on a photo, is it yours? It is if you paid the photographer for the rights to do so (or if it's in the public domain).

Andy Warhol got sued a lot for his use of other people's photographs. He (or his estate) just paid up if they were sued.

It may be that the law is outdated when it comes to AI created art. How much human input is required before it's considered created by a human? That Nvidia program that creates realistic landscapes from your scribbles might be an interesting test case.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/studio/canvas/

(Free, but RTX required.)

No, of course it doesn't say "getty images" we did a very good job smudging that up :smile: Actually you could've clearly read "getty images" in the first steps as Wombo was "creating" this... but then Wombo "covered it up".

But is that because it threw up a training image by accident or is it imitating a watermark on something it only thinks ought to have one? And is there a way to check?

Most likely it does like a Google Image search of the words, then looks up similar images and grabs bits from multiple images and mixes them up into another image. It looks like it's been trained to strip off text and logos but sometimes it doesn't do such a good job at it.

Sorry, I'm not checking anything anymore... it's not stealing anything from me... yet! ... other than my time :smile:

besides my artwork is so terrible... no one wants to steal that LOL!

I don't think that's exactly the way it works. But a lot of people seem to think so. Clarification is needed.

I have to assume Google is involved somehow. I suppose different AI art programs have different methods.

People have taken to posting images on social media of AI-generated posters for movies. And the text is often similar, but not the same. For example, "The Handmaid's Tale" from Dall-e came out "The Mandal" or "The Thandal." "The Two Towers" came out "Trill Rows."

The images were a decent match. Women in hoods, or veils for the former, two medieval towers for the later.

These AI programs are pretty tied into pop culture. They will produce celebrities, fictional characters, etc., pretty accurately. In a toon or hand-drawn looking style if you want. Putting in "Star Trek" can generate reasonable likenesses of Kirk and Spock.

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DOUBLE since last quarter

no more locally rendered Stable Diffusion animations for me (maybe a few images )

these are from DeepDream Generator

randym77 posted at 3:35 PM Thu, 20 October 2022 - #4447150

I have to assume Google is involved somehow. I suppose different AI art programs have different methods.
People have taken to posting images on social media of AI-generated posters for movies. And the text is often similar, but not the same. For example, "The Handmaid's Tale" from Dall-e came out "The Mandal" or "The Thandal." "The Two Towers" came out "Trill Rows."
The images were a decent match. Women in hoods, or veils for the former, two medieval towers for the later.
These AI programs are pretty tied into pop culture. They will produce celebrities, fictional characters, etc., pretty accurately. In a toon or hand-drawn looking style if you want. Putting in "Star Trek" can generate reasonable likenesses of Kirk and Spock.

OK. I'm going to dumb this down a bit because it is a weird concept for some to grasp. All these programs use a machine learning technique to identify objects in an image by being taught that this image is a particular thing.

Traditional computer vision and image recognition models work the same way. They are taught truth and lie using 100% truth or 100% lie. This picture is an apple. So is this one and this one as well. Three pictures of an apple and all are labelled apple. 100% true. Then you give a picture of an orange labelled as an apple and tell the ai you are training that this is a lie. You have no confidence that your picture of an orange is actually an apple.

Diffusion models are trained differently. You start with a picture of an apple and add a set amount of noise to your apple image and tell the ai that the apple image and the noisy apple image are the same thing. An apple. Then you add even more noise to the already noisy image and say this is an apple. Rinse and repeat a specific number of times and you are left with an image of just noise that the ai knows as apple.

Still with me? The ai just knows items as noise at this point in the process. Apple, banana, grape, orange. We teach these items to the ai along with a containers such as cups and bowls. To the ai it is just a pile of noise like the static you used to see on an old tv getting a signal with a pair of rabbit ears. Now the fun starts.

You type a text prompt that says you want to see a still life painting of a bowl of fruit. The ai then parses the prompt with CLIP (language training) and attempts to denoise images of apples, bowls, grapes, and the rest of your prompt items from a patch of noise the size of the image. Usually square as all the first step to training any type of ai is consistency of input and most current diffusion models are trained on 512x512 images. Now the ai just denoises whatever it has been trained upon so as to fit into the space. The result is as many different bowls of fruit as want.

The noise in the square is a random pattern based upon the seed value used to generate the image. That is why you get different bowls with different fruit. The ai is looking through the noise pattern to see if it has a bowl, banana, apple, or whatever; that it can denoise to fit the noise in the space. It has learned many different versions of bowl, apple, or whatever in the training so it has many noise patterns to choose from. The "steps" used in the generation of the image are how much denoising happens and thus the juxtaposition of the final elements of your image.

There are other rules involved in the placing of the objects in the scene. There is an aesthetics as part of the learning. That is a big part of the training image classification system and has led to some training bias in the diffusion models. Some things are also specifically sketchy in outputs such as text. Most diffusion setups are not designed to render legible text on purpose.Thus fictional movie posters that almost seem readable.

The image scrapes done for training are not specific to Google. Not by a long shot. The Laion 5B data set has been released to the public. This is the training set for "Stable Diffusion". Thats almost 6 billion pairs of image and text and a search base of 1.6 trillion data sets. Google's is considerably smaller.

The training is not tied to pop culture but to popularity (sure are a lot of apple images here to train on) and aesthetics biases (I like green apples better than red apples.)

Apparently, a lot of artists are upset because their art has been scraped by these programs. I guess if you're prominent enough, the programs can produce art "in your style."

There's a lot of talk among artists about what to do about this. There's some who are suggesting you post your work with misleading tags, to screw up the algorithms. Post body horror or graphic porn with tags like "beautiful forest" or "autumn sunset." Or tag your landscape painting with "big boobs" or "sexy babe."

I imagine human viewers would find that pretty annoying.

Mis-tagging would also bite them in the backside by making it harder for their own fans to find their work. And what school or library or workplace would allow access to Big Name Artist Joe Whomever's website once it gets known for having "big boobs" or "sexy babe" or other NSWF tagged images? I do agree that anyone who does not want their work used in AI training should be able to say no and have it removed, or compensated/licensed if they agree, but poisoning the well does no one any good, not even themselves.

I took some photographs in and around my house and fed them to the AI

randym77 posted at 3:35 PM Thu, 20 October 2022 - #4447150

I have to assume Google is involved somehow. I suppose different AI art programs have different methods.

No, they don't! Google is their bread. If someone is going to end the AI art, it's going to be Google. Then the other search engines will follow.

People are posting comments on art, along the lines of "What do you call this style?"

They're looking for prompts to feed into AI generators to mimic the artist's style.

the AI gave me a sexy Succubus using an old photo of me

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So there's an AI-generated art forum now.

FWIW...at DeviantArt, they are automatically opting works into "third party AI datasets."

You can opt out, but as I understand it, it must be done individually for each artwork.

Does Rosity have a policy on this? Just curious...

Thanks for letting us know about Deviant art. I don't know if there is a policy here.

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I was on Deviant art, opting out my images and the site crashed with some overloaded error. I can't help but wonder if there are too many who want to opt-out there.

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I posted this in my gallery earlier this summer. I like using Midjourney to explore how the AI might interpret certain ideas. I asked the AI to illustrate the story of Eleanor Rigby and Father MacKenzie, from the classic Beatles song, by feeding it bits of the relevant lyrics. I thought I should share a collage of some of the better interpretations illustrating the story. Hope you like it.

"Eleanor Rigby" (lyrics by Paul McCartney and John Lennon, released in 1966)

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Ah, look at all the lonely people

Eleanor Rigby

Picks up the rice in the church where a wedding has been

Lives in a dream

Waits at the window

Wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door

Who is it for?

All the lonely people

Where do they all come from?

All the lonely people

Where do they all belong?

Father McKenzie

Writing the words of a sermon that no one will hear

No one comes near

Look at him working

Darning his socks in the night when there's nobody there

What does he care?

All the lonely people

Where do they all come from?

All the lonely people

Where do they all belong?

Ah, look at all the lonely people

Eleanor Rigby

Died in the church and was buried along with her name

Nobody came

Father McKenzie

Wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave

No one was saved

All the lonely people (ah, look at all the lonely people)

Where do they all come from?

All the lonely people (ah, look at all the lonely people)

Where do they all belong?

Well done! You can often get really good results with song lyrics or poetry. I've run some of my own original work thru SD, not posted any of it yet because not finished the project but very encouraging so far. Would never have thought of using Daz or Poser for it because too time consuming and complicated and sometimes doesn't translate well into 3D but I've found it well suited to AI art.

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the Santa images are both weird and awesome!

Here's a cat for wendy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Duxv2WFnI

cute

And someone found medical photos she thought were private, taken by her doctor, in an AI dataset.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/artist-finds-private-medical-record-photos-in-popular-ai-training-data-set/

DAZ Filament animation driven VOC Deforum Stable Diffusion ai video

postwork in Capcut video maker

various post productions applied

My Heritage has ai too
those were generated from photos of me

latest selfie, submitted 25 of them

i need some info.. i'm pretty new at this, and i only use FREE/NO SUBSCRIPTION + NO LOGIN sites, like night café. i'm happy with 5 credits a day...

now, nightcafé made for me (with me?? lol) this awesome portrait, from head to upper torso or kinda waist. so far, so perfect. BUT it's at an angle, maybe 17°, and i think it's too much. i tried to rotate it in gimp, but then i lose the top of the head. i found no rotating or anything in night café, only enhancing, and i'm not sure about evolving, i don't want any other image, just this one with enough deco around the portrait so i can rotate i.e. crop it with the whole head intact.

but i know about outpainting. this is imo pretty much the only solution. but i can't find a free no login site to do this - or i haven't noticed the right places to click or sth..

anyone?

IN THE END, MERITOCRACY HAS NOT ONLY PERMEATED OUR DAILY LIVES AND WORK, BUT ALSO OUR HEARTS, OUR MINDS AND OUR PERCEPTION OF ART...

wendyvainity posted at 2:49 PM Fri, 2 December 2022 - #4450799

DAZ Filament animation driven VOC Deforum Stable Diffusion ai video
postwork in Capcut video maker

wow. this is pure awesome! absolutely beautiful! kudos! excellent sound/music choice too 😍

i'm not smart or up-to-date or maybe interested in tech enough to get how you did it (DAZ Filament animation driven VOC Deforum Stable Diffusion ai video postwork in Capcut video maker...whaaaaat? lol) - but keep at it! this deserves to be published as a meditation animation, or a game...

IN THE END, MERITOCRACY HAS NOT ONLY PERMEATED OUR DAILY LIVES AND WORK, BUT ALSO OUR HEARTS, OUR MINDS AND OUR PERCEPTION OF ART...

Lenord posted at 8:53 AM Thu, 20 October 2022 - #4447109

Midjourney Ai
Giger meets Da Vinci

boah.. magnificent! excellent prompt - excellent result

IN THE END, MERITOCRACY HAS NOT ONLY PERMEATED OUR DAILY LIVES AND WORK, BUT ALSO OUR HEARTS, OUR MINDS AND OUR PERCEPTION OF ART...

OpenAI Dall-E2 does out painting

so does Stable Diffusion but I haven't had much success using it with the NMKD GUI version on my PC, Dall-E2 worked well, I only use free apps too now

https://lesbiacebian.tumblr.com/post/703326410379591680/i-dont-know-what-else-to-say-except-that-ai-art

Byrdie posted at 10:23 AM Wed, 19 October 2022 - #4447004

Since I use Poser, Daz, Photoshop and now Stable Diffusion AI to get the results I want, mixed medium is probably the best place. Mixed is a good fit, imho.

i was wondering.. personally, i consider an image (or a vid i guess too) mixed media when there is a clear mixing of different techniques, and you can see it in the end result... but not for example when i do a tiny little bit of postwork in gimp on a render to repair some pixels gone weird, add a vignette or adjust the lighting/the contrast a little. because in the end, i'm just compensating for tech issues or my lack of talent, lol - but nobody sees a difference, really, it's just me being perfectionistic (or ashamed at my lack of skills lol), and i'm not entering a contest or winning a prize or sth, where my real skills matter or "cheating" would be unfair/unacceptable.
i do declare the postwork when it really adds something to the render, like SFX, a frame, important stuff that makes a difference...

i wouldn't consider it mixed media either if i used an AI image (or as i did once, a selfmade terragen render, or any input from another app like fractals) in a scene where it doesn't really matter and is small-ish, like a poster, a framed painting in a DS scene/render, because it doesn't really change the weight of the DS 3d scene per se.
but i guess i would consider it mixed media if it was a full blown background (from another app or especially here AI) that really influences the scene tho, since this would weight a lot on the result. after all, a DS 3D render is a DS 3D render, where i get my textures from is irrelevant - otherwise every single texture from a photo would be mixing media, in a way.

so, what do you folks think about "correcting" AI works? i mean like, repairing hands disasters and the likes? because since AI art is mostly made by well, the AI, so the skills are in the prompting, directing the AI, and choosing the renders.. is it "cheating" to correct unsightly bits (and then collect the viewers applause for a "perfect" render)? is it expected that you declare the postwork even for smaller corrections? should it be considered mixed media because gimp etc were used? even if in the end effect, what you have/exhibit is.. an AI generated work, in the 1st place.

gawd, this was a slab of a comment. sorry, being succinct is NOT one my talents, lol...

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Man, artists are really being hit by this.

There's also AI being trained to write fiction.

Maybe we'll all be replaced by robots.

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Great! This is a mega solution. I run my own business and generating graphics using AI is something I've been waiting for. If you also run your own shop then I recommend reading the article on smart packaging: https://authena.io/smart-packaging/. It's a very interesting solution.

Wow. Hm. I seem to remember being scoffed at about this subject not long ago.

Looks like certain commerce corporations are also embracing intellectual property theft by providing a home for "artists" that endorse such theft. Ironic. On principle, by example, I would say this indicates that it's perfectly fine to steal other's art works. For instance the models that are sold on this site and can be found on various GFXer sites. Is there a difference?

It's perfectly ok then? One should feel at liberty to steal and share the work of others right? I mean the actions here are an endorsement to do so right?

Ok... was just trying to figure out the moral liberties of such a thing. After all, an eye for an eye I guess...

I trained an embedding using my ugly face

and I hope the user blocked from my view cannot see them because while I don't recall the username I don't block people lightly or they blocked me 🤣

Video using my embedding

I don't have a Midjourney Subscription and refuse to pay for ai art as it now stands

it has no legally endorsed commercial use or ownership protected by law as well as questionable ethics however the Laion 5b database does cover educational and developmental use which falls under my usage of it

(maybe if a model was released trained on public domain images and stuff used with permission I would open my wallet)

so that is why I tend to post in this thread

this used the Stable Diffusion Webui in Visions of Chaos that loads the Automatic 1111 repository

Emma Nippon-Stone

And a few other versions of her

(Stable Diffusion)

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Boy, she gets pretty busty as you scroll down the page.

I used https://www.mage.space before which was entirely free till like a week ago, it turns out they all want money. Don't pay for any AI on any website, they WILL sell your info.

Again, DON'T BUY ANY AI CRAP anywhere, Mid-J, Wombo, No Where. If you do you are just plain dumb! You will leave a trail that will come back and haunt you!

hborre posted at 11:02 AM Sat, 14 January 2023 - #4453895

Boy, she gets pretty busty as you scroll down the page.

Lol... indeed but that wasn't on purpose, as far as I can remember...

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A class action suit has been filed against Midjourney and Stable Diffusion. If your name is on either of these lists, you are eligible to join the class action lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/Kelly_McKernan/status/1615066246591938560

randym77 posted at 12:16 PM Wed, 18 January 2023 - #4454169

A class action suit has been filed against Midjourney and Stable Diffusion. If your name is on either of these lists, you are eligible to join the class action lawsuit.
https://twitter.com/Kelly_McKernan/status/1615066246591938560

if they lose (the plaintiffs ) I guess they need plenty of people to cover the legal fees

I am not a lawyer but surely there has to be some sort of proof of loss or earnings, damage to reputation etc

finding billions of image files in a 4GB.ckpt is going to be quite the challenge too

I am not saying it was morally right to use LAION 5b to train the model but making a legal case against it is going to take a lot more than saying you shouldn't be looking at my publicly posted jpg online (especially as it wasn't rightclicked and downloaded even just the thumbnails with description in the Google search engine trawled basically )

I have no idea what the standard of proof is. Artists are complaining that it's affecting their income, but whether they can prove it is another story.

Though I guess if they can prove some kind of copyright violation it would be easier.

one and only time i will comment on the subject..... a very hard nut to crack....from what i have read on the subject....

LAION-5B: An open large-scale dataset for training next generation image-text models...was as far as i'm aware....reviewed by a extensive group of AI ethics researchers..on a academic and scientific level before its release date,

AI art models "do not store compressed copies of [copyright-protected] training images” and then “recombine” them; functioning as “21st-century collage tool[s] AI art models do not store images at all, but rather mathematical representations of patterns collected from these images. The software does not piece together bits of images in the form of a collage, either, but creates pictures from scratch based on these mathematical representations/ approximation...if it was as individuals suggest using images...then it would be a perfect reconstruction, or reproduction....so common sense and logic say its Computer Pattern Recognition....

Copyright law protects finished works of art. It does not protect things like facts, ideas, procedures, or an artist’s style, no matter how distinct. there is no country in the world that copyright law covers an artist style, artistic techniques, artistic genres, or art movements....

There is also that Fair use....doctrine in United States law that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright.....

"The law of copyright is clear that only specific expressions of an idea may be copyrighted, that other parties may copy that idea, but that other parties may not copy that specific expression of the idea or portions thereof. For example, Picasso may be entitled to a copyright on his portrait of three women painted in his Cubist motif. Any artist, however, may paint a picture of any subject in the Cubist motif, including a portrait of three women, and not violate Picasso's copyright so long as the second artist does not substantially copy Picasso's specific expression of his idea."

It's a minefield that will go on for a very long time....and will have no clear cut outcome, unless they can prove it categorically one way or the other...without any gray areas.....

Can you please not use the names Ross Tran - https://www.instagram.com/rossdraws/?hl=en and Greg Rutkowski - https://www.instagram.com/greg_rutkowski/?hl=en in your prompts? These are two great artists I follow on Instagram. Everytime you put their names in your prompts, feels like you are ready to steal their identity or their souls, I don't know. AI Forums here are public and visible to the two artists also. I've informed both of them that their names are being used to generate AI images here.

He Whose Name Must Not Be Prompted -- "You Know Who" -- has already been jettisoned from anything I do with AI because I tend to get better results without it. Also, I do not know who Ross Tran is, therefore I'm not very likely to use them as reference.

Byrdie posted at 6:12 PM Thu, 19 January 2023 - #4454258

He Whose Name Must Not Be Prompted -- "You Know Who" -- has already been jettisoned from anything I do with AI because I tend to get better results without it. Also, I do not know who Ross Tran is, therefore I'm not very likely to use them as reference.

he is in the "Muppet Prompt" that apparently gives that interesting result in Midjourney however looking at his art I don't see any of his style in your and the other MJ users results (and that prompt does not give me particularly spectacular results in Stable Diffusion anyway) so I think you could easily remove him 👍

Pretty sure I dropped it from the Muppet Prompt last time I ran that one. I'm using Stable Diffusion, so it may look/work different in MidJourney, which I don't got a sub for and therefore never tried it in. But I mainly do cats, dogs, Snapes and Sherlocks, so even if I were to Muppet-prompt for any of those, "You Know Who" would not get mentioned. Wrong style and like I said, much better without. I try to go as nameless as possible with styles, unless I deliberately want something in a classical -- as in way too old to be anything else but public domain -- vein. Like this bit of nonsense:

Come to think of it, I didn't name any artist style in that prompt either. But it's pretty safe to say Leonardo is not responsible for any "Dino Lisa" on a surfboard shenanigans. With or without the rocket launcher. ;-)

if I use artist names, I generally use a lot of long dead painters and illustrators too, my fave being Ernst Haeckel, I will toss in a few more recently deceased sometimes though.
I really hope they create a fully CC0 sourced training model as I think it can be an awesome tool like the synthesizer was to music.

https://reason.com/2023/01/19/dont-let-disney-monopolize-a-i-generated-art/

LOL @ wendy... "Yeah... sorry I'm imitating your artistic style but hey, you're like dead and stuff... you can always use the ouija board and let me know if you don't agree."

Style by itself cannot be copyrighted as the law currently stands. Therefore not illegal, regardless if said style originator has been dead many centuries or is currently living. To make it illegal would require drastic changes both legal and political, and even then no guarantee you'd get the desired results in this case. Be careful what you wish for ...

I think too many people are seeing this as a black and white issue

I am firmly in the grey area in my views

I don't disagree with many of the issues raised by the say no to ai faction

but

I am not going to ignore a pretty awesome technological tool either

nothing I am doing is depriving anyone of a single cent if it comes down to monetary arguments

I am still buying 3D content too, in fact I am buying more this year already than last year

I, too, is somewhat curious in what A.I. generated pictures may, will, or won't influence the artists that earn money with their art.
And I sincerely respect their fears.
For me, tools like Stable Diffusion are nothing more than another toy that won't avoid me to continue with my Vic4's collection.

IMO dropping a series a words in two "black boxes", move sliders, change a value here or there. select a sampling method or another isn't doing art, even though if this implies knowledge, experience and training. It's playing, like any other game.

Simply because one have very few control on the creating process: you just throw parameters and wait for a more or less random response.

But it remains fun.

A.I represent a for bigger danger when people are using them instead of searching and studying by themselves. The human brain needs to train, to learn, fun is only part of its development, even if it's important. The danger even increases when we can find proofs that often their responses look very well formulated but biased.

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https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/3043772/just-some-cuties

I fixed that for you!

This is what I used AI for. The original is a Poser portrait render of V4... I don't know if I still have it anywhere so I can show you, wish I did

This is from Jan '22, before the AI spread like a virus that is now

Wow

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TwiztidKidd posted at 3:29 PM Fri, 20 January 2023 - #4454323

I fixed that for you!

Cool, thank you

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You're welcome, my friend!

Here is my attempt at a workflow with DAZ and Stable Diffusion.

I used several of my own blender renders to train an embedding. Then I wanted to combine the embedding and a Genesis 8 custom character that I created,who resembles the embedding, essentially using Genesis 8 as an avatar. That way I can pose her, alter the lighting, change her clothing and hair, render in iray, and then use imgtoimg to add the embeddeding. It could also mimic her facial expressions.

Before I've used iray renderings plus imgtoimg without any embedding involved and with a low denoising value, but it was hit-and-miss. Even though I was using the same seed and prompt, changing the lighting, the clothing, or the camera angle would cause imgtoimg to change the face of my character. Additionally, the aspect ratio itself changed the face too.

Given that I'm using low denoising values and my G8 character already resembles the embedding (albeit not exactly, but real people look differently depending on the lighting), it ought to have worked.

If I had the same seed each time, it should to have producted the same face. Okay, no! SD doesn't know that this is the same person (or that that it is a person at all). When I tried to increase the denoising value, it initially merely combined the two faces, but it eneded up with different combination for each picture,but and it also made some caricatures, blurry images and nightmare fuel. Also, if I adjust the lighting or aspect ratio, I would get a different person.

I made several attempts to make it work. It was really hit-and-miss. I was able to make it work in the end and keep the lighting, pose, clothing and hair of the G8 while also producing a person who is reasonably consistent and somewhat resembles my character. The process as a whole was interesting and somewhat irritating. It is still far from ideal, but I like promise of what this could do someday.

Even with lower denoising levels, SD managed to mess up the hands and other little things.

The embedding is not very consistent in and of itself. The images I've shared are the ones that are more reliable. Even when used in SD with just a prompt it will change the contour of her face, the color of her eyes, and the shape of her eyebrows. Sometimes it would dramatically age her or turn her into a caricature.

I used to overlook all things in the beginning. Now looking back at it, I see plenty of nightmare fuel.

The use of AI will affect every single one of us...Yes it's beautiful and yes it's fun but it will destroy every creative industry...these models were built on scraping the entire Internet... Violating the privacy of the public and Violating Artists IP rights. It will destroy human Lives...The future generations of artists are already suffering. AI needs to be regulated and controlled. In its current state it is unacceptable. Every single picture you put into an AI model becomes part of the Datastack. Every image you generate makes AI smarter. Art is a human expression and skill. An AI host is not human... It can not think..express...feel or Create..The huge issue here is that AI was built and trained on mass laundering of human art. Affecting lives and destroying our creative industries so that CEO and investors can benefit. They are using YOU while capitalising on AI to wipe out all human created platforms. Please be mindful of this and not shortsighted to the impact it will have on our beloved creative communities and the future. Thank you for reading and hope that you will think twice before generating more images. Remember... If you support it you will have a hand in the destruction of all creative industries.

I agree there is much room for improvement with regard to AI and the use thereof. You'll get no argument from me on that front. And if someone does not wish their work added to the training pool they should indeed be free and able to make that choice and have it respected. But -- and maybe this is just me -- every time I hear somebody proclaim "BLANK needs to be regulated and controlled" (variant: "BLANK must be regulated and controlled because DOOM!!!") I tend to get very unpleasant vibes. The sort that make me want to check which era I am living in on the off-chance I haven't accidentally slipped into the past where that was pretty much the mantra of every authoritarian regime. Or worse, fallen sideways through time and space into a Mirror Universe where it's absolutely barking all the time.

RedPhantom posted at 8:43 PM Sun, 10 July 2022 - #4441020

I've used Wombo before so I thought I'd compare using the same words: Ocean sunset castle and waterfall
Here is night cafe
and here is Wombo

Frankly, I've not been impressed by Wombo yet. Night Cafe, however.....

Not sure why images I've put in my post aren't showing up or why I can't seem to edit them afterwards. This is Night Cafe for me:

And here's some Lexica Aperture AI:

A Steampunk Marilyn Monroe on a steampunk motorcycle from Lexica Aperture AI.

forum can take a while to load them

if you close the browser you cannot edit your post upon return

it has to be done the same session

very nice images 👍🏼

https://www.renderosity.com/marketplace/vendors/The_Row_House

wendyvainity posted at 12:42 AM Fri, 7 April 2023 - #4461086

forum can take a while to load them
if you close the browser you cannot edit your post upon return
it has to be done the same session
very nice images 👍🏼

Thanks. That esplain's it. Lexica Aperture Chloë Grace Moretz as Supergirl.

Here are some gorgeous portraits I put together especially for you. Hope you like them.

I'll be back with some more!!! :sweat_smile:

This is what AI did to two amazing artists here:

https://www.renderosity.com/users/gmlab

gmlab happens to be the Artist of the Year 2022

if you can block your posts, surely you can hide the forum you don't wish to see and spare other's your trolling

their actions are their own

if they don't wish to sell on this marketplace I cannot help if my wishlist was halved

I just will buy other people's digital content for my 3D renders instead

cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is IMO a dumb thing, just because I play with AI a bit doesn't mean I still don't use DAZ studio, Carrara and Unreal Engine DAILY!!!!

and buy lots and lots of 3D content

but .... whatever

enough talk from me, back to doing what I enjoy

a video

3D and AI

I stopped buying 3D merchandise years ago, so what some merchant does or does not do has no effect on me. Childish tantrum and trolling also gets you on my own ignore list.

I don't see any trolling here. If you think you are being trolled by another member here report it to one of the Moderators. Just because you don't agree to what someone else has to say about A.I. doesn't give you the right to call them a troll. Everyone is welcome to post their images here as long as they comply with the website's rules.

Do not eat lol

posting anti AI diatribe in the AI forum art sharing threads is trolling, there is a few threads in already community forum for discussing that sort of thing, it's like posting Poser evangelism in the DAZ studio forum or Carrara is better than Bryce on the Bryce forum.

Yes users can disagree but this is not the thread to be doing so and worse having the people you reply to on ignore to rub it in, again ignoring is fine but then don't reply to their posts if you are the ignorer.