Thanks for the input guys. I'm on PC. I agree about the uninstall facts. I don't like installing poorly coded software on my system. I want to use what works, and I know that you people in here know what to use that works good. Any recommendations off this page http://fraktali.849pm.com/fracpro.html The list is huge, but there isn't any info about the apps, when you click on them, it just starts the download. Thanks kaom