**seachnasaigh:** I can see from ockham's image, and remembering your previous sterling efforts on the P9 facility freebie, how that's built. Though do you think you could post some screenshots of the material settings and a test render to see the effect? For your photo, dunno if you've seen the photographic version of this or not, but in that a smiliar material and techniques to your idea are used. Called EL Wire it's thinner than LED rope, runs off a battery and the shapes are made with garden wire. I've also considered a similar idea to your resin filling, using EL with coloured sheets of A4 stationary pockets. At an expo centre (where I make the displays for their media players) their guy used LED rope lights under the display cases to light the floor, so visitors can move around safely, yet the lighting doesn't distract from the displays. It's nice stuff, much brighter than EL, but the steppers needed run at 12v so it could be tricky to power outside safely. Often during night shoots condensation or cold can be an issue, not just for the camera but the lighting kit as well. Poor battery life is a common thing. Thats where those silver survival blankets can help, keeps gear dry and warm and a few taped to cardboard can make for an massive cheapo reflector. Also handy if your're working with a live model as well :) Though as you rightly noted with whatever is used then yes a tripod and long exposure is vital. Often 30 seconds or more if you want to "walk" the light. Doesn't have to be EL or Neon either. In the 1st image below thats a kids light sabre toy, in the 2nd a USB light orb, USB battery pack and a plastic kitchen whisk where used. Like many bits all from poundland :) Talking of that shop also got another idea on the go. Just finishing off the painting, which I'll post here when done, as that would look really cool in 3d. Re your comments about the speed of fire, yea totally agree there. Especially with evacuation as plastic fumes are so deadly. Luckily we live in a great community and one of the nighbours helped us get the others out of the apartment block quickly. Fortunately this was small, contained and everyone was able to return home straight away. ___________________ **ockham:** Looking good there chap!

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.