Thanks for the links guys, I've pretty much got the wave thing down pretty good, I have even doen a turorial on making waves with KPT 3's gradient designer myself. I just need to know jaw to make the area going into the water look more real. The Islend pictures a few threads back looked really good, but I want to be able to do some close up shots, if you know what I mean. That Waves World program looked pretty interesting, too bad it's no longer available. I've check out all these links but I havn't found a tutorial on going exactly what I'm after. I saw some a long time ago, but I can't for the life of me remember, or find them now. Thanks, kaom If anyone knows where to find them, I'll be very grateful!