Ah yes version 4, I'm jealous. I can't wait for the day when I can buy 3DStudio Max. Till then I'll keep using Carrara, which in my opinion is kind of like a poor-mans version of Max. I really do love Carrara, especially for the price, It really can't be beat for the price and features. I will try the wheel in vertex, great work, looks like you're getting the hang of Max pretty well. kaom