Well it definately renders slower than before. But I knew that going into it, I'm glad I don't use Bryce too much for animations, but I do like the program itself. 4 was faster though. But I guess I'll be able to do some really high-res gorgeous stills, which is a nice thing. Maybe Corel will make some magic patch that will speed up the renders, I like the render options though, what a bunch of choices. I mean it's slower but Bryce 4 wasn't a speed demon in itself either... I gues it's just one of the things we'll all have to deal with if we want to do our thing in Bryce. That's my only complaint, that the renders are slow, other than that I really like the new upgrade, it's got some nice features, and $99 wasn't the end of the world. Come on Corel, make us a patch to speed it up!!!!!!!!! kaom