Very nice rockjockjared, I knew you master Max, and from the looks of it, your not having to much trouble making a killer wheel.I might get a free site and pit some free downloads for now on it. Good suggestion, or I guess I could put it up in freestuff here. THanks guys,I appreciate the compliments, I've learnes a lot in the last week about mapping in Carrara, this whole project was a great lesson in itself. Now it's a matter of being creative with it and not just guessing. Thanks, kaom