Cool! I will definately keep everyone posted! I'll be working on them over the next couple weeks. Max is tough to learn, Back in college I had couple of 3D classes, and in one of them we had to do basic projects in 3DStudio Max, I had a hard time with it. It's powerful, if you get the basics down, but i never did! I modeled th ewheel in Rhino using Nurbs, and everything else in Carrara. And used Photoshup for some of the textures and bumpmaps. Thats a drag about your ISP only allowing 512kb, I'm not even sure what my limit is. I'm still on 56k. Someday I'll evolve and get high speed. I'll keep you updated on these. Keep working on those cars, I know it's a pain, but the results will be worth it. What are you modeling them in? Thanks, kaom