rockjockjared, Are you saying that I should convert the tire to a vertex object? If so, would I just subdivide it then apply the smooth edges command? I don't have too much experience in the vertex room, cause it always used to crash on me. What exactly should I do in the vertex room to it after I convert it? Thanks for the encouragement, I appreciate it. I can't wait to see you 57' Ford, cars are one of the biggest challenges I've faced yet in 3D. kaom