litst, Aha, I found it hidden in there at the bottom. But I still don't understand how you got it in there, how did you put the text in there, there's no texture map or anyhting, you've got me stumped. I'm curious to knpw, because whatever you did is an invaluble technique, I must know.By the way, I have been modifying the tire to what I need, it's working great, thanks again. But how did you get happy christmas in there??????? Kaom