Been two version numbers for the group names bug....three for the UV mapping problem (been there as long as the UV mapper!) and umpteen for the selection glitch -- since that goes back to Ray Dream, I assume it's hard-coded deep into the software. To their credit, several things got fixed in 5 that weren't even listed in the "things we fixed" list. Is so much more of a pleasure to use I hate going back to 4 now. I know it's a lot to ask a software company to step away from highly marketable NEW toys and put effort behind getting the old ones to work right. But it is precisely when slogging through a heavy model in version 5 that I have to ask if the user base they are hearing most from really goes beyond importing Vickie, hitting the "instant sky" button, and rendering away.