pogmahone: I think you may be confusing Flamingo renders for Rhino Flatshade renders. Rhino renders look very flat, and can be rendered with full nurbs wireframes, or not.. Flamingo renders, well, to say the least, are beautiful. Flamingo is intended for product/advertising/architectural/CAD/Engineering renders. Flamingo is almost as slow as Bryce, but has an incredible Raytacing & texture system.. Also, Flamingo is actually Accustudio, just packaged a little different, but the main program is Accustudio..