Since I'd be starting form scratch and would not have code to steal from, I'm guessing it would be a serious venture... So uh...Where would I begin as far as making shaders, I'd love to learn, I've always wanted to make my own shaders anyways... Are you talking about creating the Carrara .cbr files? You've sparked my curiosoity, now I really want to make a shader and learn the ways of the Carrara Jedi masters such as yourself...One question, is it the same way litst created the Real World Metals Shaders? Or am I talking apples to oranges here? thanks kaom