Thanks, At least I can still use it in v2.1 when I need it. But man would it be nice to have that in v3, with all those nice rendering features... I'd like to see Thor rendered using the NPR render engine... I really hope they update it, but there's no mention of Carrara 3 on their site, and it looks like it hasn't been updated or changed since 2002...Is that something you could do Eric? Are you saying you could make a way to make Thor work in 3? thanks kaom