Actually, C is a bunch of diferent orphaned programs shooved together to make one, sooo, I guess we are lucky that anything comes out at all! LOL I have created quite a few pieces for people that have actually PAID me for the pleasure, so I'm even MORE surprised! :> I haven't done much with the new bones features, and only have done some experiments with the GI renderer. But, when I get the time (?) I am promising myself a mini-movie for myself. Now all I need, is a script... (BG) Thanks for the reminder, I had heard that Murphy existed, but I can't recall the story behind him. Take care.