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 Subject: Antonia - Opinions?

odf opened this issue on Oct 27, 2008 · 12024 posts

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  adh3d    ( ) ( posted at 7:02AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · edited on 7:03AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · @3325108

Yes,a blank  distribuible cr2 file with the rigging information in it.

Really great model.



adh3d website


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 7:30AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · edited on 7:31AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · @3325120

Quote - Yes,a blank  distribuible cr2 file with the rigging information in it.

You mean as a template for rigging the conforming figure?

How do I make such a blank cr2 file?


  A_    ( ) ( posted at 8:05AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325136

her arms still look a bit too short imo, but i could be wrong.
anyway, i think she's wonderful.


  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:14AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · edited on 8:16AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · @3325144

Odf

You mentioned ZBrush and Wings3D in your opening. Was she made using both or only Wings3D?


  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:18AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325147

It's a hoot how she's always nude...with pearls on.


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 8:29AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325152

Quote - Odf

You mentioned ZBrush and Wings3D in your opening. Was she made using both or only Wings3D?

Only Wings3D. I might use ZBrush later for things like morphs, textures and bump/displacements map. But I haven't decided yet. There are some new programs on the market that seem to have an easier interface than ZBrush and might be good enough for my purposes. On the other hand, I already own ZBrush, and it's really quite powerful. ::ponders::


  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:33AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325155

Quote - > Quote - Odf

You mentioned ZBrush and Wings3D in your opening. Was she made using both or only Wings3D?

Only Wings3D. I might use ZBrush later for things like morphs, textures and bump/displacements map. But I haven't decided yet. There are some new programs on the market that seem to have an easier interface than ZBrush and might be good enough for my purposes. On the other hand, I already own ZBrush, and it's really quite powerful. ::ponders::

It'a amazing the things you're able to do with free applications. For some reason, I always feel to get the best results, you need the top of the top items. I never expect to get anything great when things are free. Funny enough the freebie clothing/textures in Poser disprove my theory everytime. Some wonderful freebies out there.


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 8:35AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325157

Quote - It's a hoot how she's always nude...with pearls on.

I admit it, I am a pervert. She looks a bit less naked to me with the pearls, and they were easy to adjust.

Maybe someone can suggest a simple dynamic dress or such that I could try to fit to her? It's no secret that I like to render nudes, but I wouldn't mind making some renders to show how she would like dressed.


  corvas    ( ) ( posted at 8:43AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · edited on 8:46AM Sat, 01 November 2008 · @3325161

  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:43AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325162

Attached Link: Little Black Dress V4


Quote - > Quote - It's a hoot how she's always nude...with pearls on.

I admit it, I am a pervert. She looks a bit less naked to me with the pearls, and they were easy to adjust.

Maybe someone can suggest a simple dynamic dress or such that I could try to fit to her? It's no secret that I like to render nudes, but I wouldn't mind making some renders to show how she would like dressed.

I think I'm turning into a female pervert as everytime I scroll pass, I can't help but to look at her plump lips. :biggrin:

Here's a sophisticated dress for a sophisticated lady. 😉


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 8:51AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325163

Quote - I think I'm turning into a female pervert as everytime I scroll pass, I can't help but to look at her plump lips. :biggrin:

I have a vay to make you gay. :biggrin:

I'll have a look at the various dresses and see if I find one or two that I can adapt.


  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:55AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325164

Attached Link: Dynamic Dress002 for V4


Here's a shorter dress


  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 8:57AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325166

Quote - > Quote - I think I'm turning into a female pervert as everytime I scroll pass, I can't help but to look at her plump lips. :biggrin:

I have a vay to make you gay. :biggrin:

LOL. The hubby would be so disappointed. Hehe.


  rjjack    ( ) ( posted at 10:30AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325219

Quote - > Quote - Yes,a blank  distribuible cr2 file with the rigging information in it.

You mean as a template for rigging the conforming figure?

How do I make such a blank cr2 file?

i think this tutorial for obj2cr2 by PhilC can be useful

www.philc.net/OBJ2CR2_page3.htm


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 11:30AM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325259

Quote - Doing the rigging myself is actually a good learning experience. It has some influence on how I do the mesh topology, too, so it's worthwhile I have a go at it myself. It's just extremely frustrating to run into weird Poser bugs at every second corner.

All that said: if you're interesting in doing a rigging for her, phantom3D, knock yourself out. I'll happily to send you Antonia's files anytime. We could even think about using my own amateurish rigging for the free version and charging money for a 'phantom-enhanced' one.

Sorry, I missed this. First thing I read this morn was your post about the ABS as hip got totally caught up in it have been working with it since.  Sure I'll take a crack at rigging Antonia. I have to say though I really like your shoulder as it is . I wouldn't want any money for the rigging just to see people using some of my rigging would be enough for me.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  JOELGLAINE    ( ) ( posted at 12:36PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325308

The thought of synergy between odf and phantom3d makes me all a quiver!  Sounds like a better team-up than Batman and Superman! :lol:

At least better for us. :laugh:

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An  inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!   

  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 12:41PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325314

Quote - The thought of synergy between odf and phantom3d makes me all a quiver!  Sounds like a better team-up than Batman and Superman! :lol:

At least better for us. :laugh:

My thoughts exactly!

Definitely the A-team.


  momodot    ( ) ( posted at 5:16PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325479

The work you two are doing is very exciting. I hope you are having fun!



  JOELGLAINE    ( ) ( posted at 7:20PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325553

Quote - > Quote - The thought of synergy between odf and phantom3d makes me all a quiver!  Sounds like a better team-up than Batman and Superman! :lol:

At least better for us. :laugh:

My thoughts exactly!

Definitely the A-team.

Better than the A-team! I'm hoping these guys actually hit the targets they shoot at! LOL  :lol: I remember the A-team for never even wounding the people they shot at. :laugh:

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An  inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!   

  odf    ( ) ( posted at 7:42PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325565

Quote - Sorry, I missed this. First thing I read this morn was your post about the ABS as hip got totally caught up in it have been working with it since.  Sure I'll take a crack at rigging Antonia. I have to say though I really like your shoulder as it is . I wouldn't want any money for the rigging just to see people using some of my rigging would be enough for me.

Ex-cellent! ::rubs hands::

Send me a site mail whenever you're ready, and you'll get the files. If you do the rigging and bagginsbill does the the skin, she'll look so real that people will propose to her for marriage. :biggrin:

My trick for the shoulder is that I made her collar very flexible and use it in the poses, so the arm itself has to move less. But at the moment only the up-down direction works well, and I can't quite figure out how to do the other motions.

Incidentally, I was wondering whether I should bend her arms a bit at the elbows in the original geometry. Not too much, maybe by thirty degrees. It seems to be the easiest way to get a nice, defined tip there. Any thoughts?


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 7:51PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325569

Content Advisory! Nudity advisory.

Incidentally, while we were talking about giving her some clothes, I cleaned up my runtime folder and came across those 'big breasts' magnets I made a while ago. So I simply had to do a 'Naked Antonia in a temple' render which is now in my gallery and - for mysterious reasons - seems fairly popular.


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 8:26PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325582

Thats best to use the collar alot in the bend. and in truth it's also the way the human body works as well, ever try to raise your arm without using the collar shoulder? I can only get my arm half way up befor I have to use my collar-shoulder.

Yes it's a good idea to bend the elbo some to help with the forward bend , also it helps with texture stretch.  I'll SM you it'll take me maybe a week to get a good rigg working well. This is so cool to have people from here puting things together for a figure. Rendo might be the next hot spot for new creative works, for the poserverse.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  Faery_Light    ( ) ( posted at 8:43PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325583

I'm looking forward to doing textures.

To me Antonia (and BTW: I have a granddaughter with that name) looks more human than the mil gals.
I do like texturing the Vics and even the G2 gals and guys but this lady looks like she is going to be so much more enjoyable to work on.


Let me introduce you to my multiple personalities. :)
     BluEcho...Faery_Light...Faery_Souls.

  JOELGLAINE    ( ) ( posted at 9:57PM Sat, 01 November 2008  · @3325624

I'd be happy to test any rigging. I've beta-tested rigs for Sixus1,Teyon,and Philc. I never use stuff the way that makers envision, so I make a good beta-tester, If you guys need one. I don't know any way to help more, than just cheering.

Of course, once I get her, I can make clothes for her. ^__^V,,

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An  inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!   

  odf    ( ) ( posted at 6:10AM Sun, 02 November 2008  · @3325789

Content Advisory! Nudity advisory.

I checked some dynamic clothes for the Vickies today. The singlet by svdl turned out the easiest to adjust to Antonia. Render here!


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 8:54PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329713


Thought you all might like to see the progress on the rig. I don't have all of Antonias materials loaded but these pics are just to show the hip rigging (the hardest part I think.) 

In this first pic this is just the hip leg- bend using the normal one hip, looks pretty good.  But with the second hip..............................


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  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 8:57PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329715


With the second hip, you can take out the leg crease completely or anywhere inbetween the two.  Also it flattens the buut slightly and shortens the hip so it don't look so long. It's totally adjustable for any position you need.


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  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 8:59PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329718


In the next pic you can see the bend from behind.  The genital will have a body handle set up so you can pull it back or move it around as you wish for best natural looking placement.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  corvas    ( ) ( posted at 9:01PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329719

wow this is looking so great
excellent work WOW


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 9:03PM Fri, 07 November 2008 · edited on 9:06PM Fri, 07 November 2008 · @3329722


In this last pic you can see an extreme bend of the hip leg, in this one there is a crease as there should be but the leg is not flat as a pancake and looks pretty natural.  I think these are some pretty good settings for the legs and hip and a good place to start putting in the body handles that will give you even more controle over the shape of the hip area in these bends.

Haven't had much time to work on over the week but this weekend is totally open for me to get lots done.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  momodot    ( ) ( posted at 9:16PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329729

Good lord! Amazing!!! Thanks for the show and tell :)



  JOELGLAINE    ( ) ( posted at 9:38PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329737

Very nice work! You are KING of the Set-up room! Looking very good and showing us loads of promise. :laugh:

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An  inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!   

  odf    ( ) ( posted at 10:41PM Fri, 07 November 2008  · @3329760

Wow! Those renders look AMAZING.  Especially the last one. I wouldn't have thought it possible to get a bend like that to look so realistic, but you've achieved it many times over. You are indeed the king of the set-up room. I'm so glad you're doing her rigging.

In the meantime, I'm re-doing her teeth. I didn't have them separated at first, which is probably fine in most renders, but might look weird in closeups. No pictures yet, though, as I've just started.

Let me know when you've got the grouping nailed down, phantom3D, so I can merge it back into the modified geometry. If you're going to do JCMs, those should probably wait until I've got the teeth and tongue finished, so we don't have to worry about changed vertex numbers and such.


  Faery_Light    ( ) ( posted at 12:41AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3329794

wow!
I know, someone already said that but it's got me awed the way you have her posed.

I can hardly wait to get my greedy little hands on her to start some textures. :)


Let me introduce you to my multiple personalities. :)
     BluEcho...Faery_Light...Faery_Souls.

  odf    ( ) ( posted at 2:03AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3329819

Quote - wow!
I can hardly wait to get my greedy little hands on her to start some textures. :)

Hehe, I know that feeling.

Let's hope I don't suck too much at UV mapping. ;)


  rjjack    ( ) ( posted at 3:06AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3329828

OMG!  fantastic bending and setup, can't wait to play with her too ;-)


  kobaltkween    ( ) ( posted at 7:17AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3329934

wants it!



  PapaBlueMarlin    ( ) ( posted at 7:48AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3329954

awesome!



  SSAfam1    ( ) ( posted at 11:40AM Sat, 08 November 2008  · @3330073

Impressive!!!!!!!


  A_    ( ) ( posted at 5:07AM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3330565

wow.


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 6:41PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3330936


Well the rigg is getting there.  Have alot more added now. Hands and feet next (fingers and all that UGH!)   Then have to run her through a gambit of poses and fine tune, but looking good so far.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  corvas    ( ) ( posted at 7:04PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3330944

Awesome


  momodot    ( ) ( posted at 7:13PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3330948

Nice!!!



  JOELGLAINE    ( ) ( posted at 8:09PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3330974

Looking better and better! The hands always suck to do.  Could be worse. We could all have TWELVE fingers that are tentacles!  Aliens are still working on their set-up rooms hands and to busy to come here and visit!  That must be why there are no visits on-going.. :laugh:

I cannot save the world. Only my little piece of it. If we all act together, we can save the world.--Nelson Mandela
An  inconsistent hobgoblin is the fool of little minds
Taking "Just do it" to a whole new level!   

  210x2    ( ) ( posted at 9:27PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3331003

WOW ! What a gorgeous model odf, great job. She has a very distinctive look, very beautiful.:drool: Looking forward to playing with the final version. And to phantom3d, my god man, what an incredible job of rigging. I swear I don’t look that real when I bend over. Unbelievable !!:thumbupboth:


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 10:15PM Sun, 09 November 2008 · edited on 10:16PM Sun, 09 November 2008 · @3331028

Wow! That looks amazing, phantom3D. I'm so excited that you made her bend so well.

If you want, you can leave the hands and fingers to me. I didn't find them very hard to rig, just a bit  tedious. Although, knowing you, you'll probably have a better way to set up the thumb than what I came up with. 😄

Then again, I'm busy shaping her teeth right now, so I'm not particularly short on tedious work. If anyone has some good reference images of dentures lying around, let me know. I did a quick Google image search and find some useful examples, but more can never hurt.


  Diogenes    ( ) ( posted at 11:12PM Sun, 09 November 2008  · @3331047

Thanks odf,  I'm glad you like the rigg. I will probably finish the rigg out,  This rigg is new (has some new stuff in it ) First time I've tried some of it, so it's fun working it all out. Little slow going, always is, have to run it through so much testing and small corrections here and there, but once it's finished, it's a new rigg I can hook up to other figures too. I'm pretty happy working on it, I needed something new to build a fire in me again.

cheers,

Mike.


A HOMELAND FOR POSER FINALLY


  odf    ( ) ( posted at 2:09AM Mon, 10 November 2008  · @3331083

Quote - Thanks odf,  I'm glad you like the rigg. I will probably finish the rigg out,  This rigg is new (has some new stuff in it ) First time I've tried some of it, so it's fun working it all out. Little slow going, always is, have to run it through so much testing and small corrections here and there, but once it's finished, it's a new rigg I can hook up to other figures too. I'm pretty happy working on it, I needed something new to build a fire in me again.

I'm glad you're having fun and getting some use out of this. Can't wait to get my greedy fingers on the rigged Antonia.


  mathman    ( ) ( posted at 3:04AM Mon, 10 November 2008  · @3331109

I've only just seen this.... great work !


  -Timberwolf-    ( ) ( posted at 10:28AM Mon, 10 November 2008  · @3331367

Phantom3D,I am your fan :D


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