i just realized, that if all i have is doomsday and gladiator, all my characters will end up looking like the next mad max movie, lol oh well, its what i have for now, and im having fun =) so after figuring out the appearance editor for clothes, i learned that it applied to the older versions of the cc3 characters. im such a noob and was amazed at what it can do, but its like an old version of the skingen plugin. still cool the things you can do, so i took a cc1 character character thru the appearance editor, converted him to a cc3+ figure and played with that using skingen. this may sound silly, but i have the realisitic 100 pack which doesnt work on the cc3+ figures, this allowed me to bypass any abnormalities or anomalies =P