Thought I'd mention to the people at Renderosity that their Poser page on Wikipedia could use some updating. Most notably, since Bondware acquired Poser, two links on the page will still lead people back to Smith Micro. Here is a quick screen shot of the page. Note that it still lists Smith Micro as the developer in the graphic on the side. Also at the bottom of said graphic,there is a link to the "official Website". It is a link for Smith Micro. Granted, the link leads back to posersoftware.com, but there is nothing on that page that tells anyone that Bondware is now the owner.

All in all, the page is more about Smith Micro's ownership of Poser than who owns it now.

Yes, I noticed that a while ago, but I'm not sure if Wikipedia does the editing when notified, or if someone from Bondware would be able to update it.

I think it's up to Bondware.

Wikipedia articles can be edited by any registered user the way I understand.

The user has to be logged in to Wikipedia. I was referring more to the information that needs to be updated.

I'll make sure the appropriate person sees that and adjusts/adds as needed. Thank you!

Just checked. Wow, some one took a scrub brush to that page.

I didn't know Phil Clevenger redesigned the UI. I always thought and was told that it was a tribute to Kai Kraus. TBPH, I've never really cared for it. I actually thought they stole the idea from Bryce whose UI looked pretty much identical back then.

EClark1894 posted at 8:43PM Mon, 27 January 2020 - #4377993

I didn't know Phil Clevenger redesigned the UI. I always thought and was told that it was a tribute to Kai Kraus. TBPH, I've never really cared for it. I actually thought they stole the idea from Bryce whose UI looked pretty much identical back then.

Back in the early days of Poser and Bryce, they were both owned, and distributed, by Meta Creations though, IIRC, Byce is 2 or 3 years older. Eventually they were split up and sold to different entities, as they remain today. Then again, once DAZ got their hands on Bryce, it eventually died, which is unfortunate. I started in 3D back in the day with Bryce 4, and really wish they would develop it further. I know, it'll never happen, but I can still hope for it.

As I said in another thread, I started with Poser, but I also got Bryce 2 a few months later. I did get up to Bryce 4, but quit after that.

I was more a landscape artist back then, so I continued to upgrade until DAZ stopped at 7.1. I don't use it as often now, because with all the beta testing I've been doing in more recent years, I spend more time in Poser doing portrait style renders, rather than landscape/outdoor renders.

Miss B posted at 12:04PM Tue, 28 January 2020 - #4378013

I was more a landscape artist back then, so I continued to upgrade until DAZ stopped at 7.1. I don't use it as often now, because with all the beta testing I've been doing in more recent years, I spend more time in Poser doing portrait style renders, rather than landscape/outdoor renders.

I used the Bryce once I moved to Poser, it was a way to get landscapes into Poser, one of the Bryce vestions even made importing Bryce images and simple process. These days if I want to put my characters in a landscape I use Vue but I still wish Bryce was around and up to date.

Yesterday I was discussing with a collegue of mine, telling me my favorite software was Poser. He had never heard about it.
It is not that surprising. There are millions of people who have no interest in CG anyway. But I feel Poser is lesser known than it should/could.

yarp posted at 7:38AM Tue, 28 January 2020 - #4378054

Yesterday I was discussing with a collegue of mine, telling me my favorite software was Poser. He had never heard about it.
It is not that surprising. There are millions of people who have no interest in CG anyway. But I feel Poser is lesser known than it should/could. I might be wrong or misremembering, but I believe in the early days of American Idol, they had a large Victoria doll on a screen grab a microphone for one of the opening graphics.

People have probably seen the results of Poser, but just don't know it. Poser has been used in Crime and Medical drama shows on tv, Book art, ads, and check out scanners at supermarkets for years.

yarp posted at 12:39PM Tue, 28 January 2020 - #4378054

Yesterday I was discussing with a collegue of mine, telling me my favorite software was Poser. He had never heard about it.
It is not that surprising. There are millions of people who have no interest in CG anyway. But I feel Poser is lesser known than it should/could.

I think that is a point we often forget when we sit in out silos and complain about problems in the 3D art world, important as it is to us we must be less than one percent of the global adult population. While many will marvel at the special effects coming out of the film and game industry very few will understand the motivation of the 3D are hobbyist. My wife thankfully supports me and sees past the renders to see that Poser not only stops me getting board but also stretches my mind. My family will occasionally appreciate the odd calendar, poster or framed picture but for the main part they have no idea of what I do or, more importantly, why I do it. That is close family, to friends I am just a nutter, which is almost certainly true, but not I would maintain due to my use of Poser.

It is one reason why I struggle to understand why we tend to argue a lot, we are a select few and for the most part we understand the passion of others when almost everyone else does not. Surely that should be something to treasure, not fight against.

@hornet3d Very well said! And it is hard to get people to WANT to jump in and play when all they see is the arguing back and forth. We all do this for the same reasons...no matter what software we use. And we all have a wish to do ART in some form or another. There aren't enough of us that we can afford to chase anyone off...no matter what they like, choose to use or the medium they create with. We need to ALL promote what we do and show people the enjoyment we get out of it. I know doing this has gotten me through some very dark times in my life. I enjoy it.

jennblake posted at 3:51PM Tue, 28 January 2020 - #4378087

@hornet3d Very well said! And it is hard to get people to WANT to jump in and play when all they see is the arguing back and forth. We all do this for the same reasons...no matter what software we use. And we all have a wish to do ART in some form or another. There aren't enough of us that we can afford to chase anyone off...no matter what they like, choose to use or the medium they create with. We need to ALL promote what we do and show people the enjoyment we get out of it. I know doing this has gotten me through some very dark times in my life. I enjoy it.

Thank you. You touch on another point that has become clear to me over the years and that is how many people turn to 3D art as a way to escape illness or other factors that are turning their real life into a dark place. Not just here, but in other forums, there are people that suffer on a daily basis and their art is one of the reasons they get out of bed in the morning. I know from my own experience that the concentration needed to work 3D software means a lot of other troubling thoughts are forced out of my mind for a while. That alone is a often reward enough so to have a product you can sell or a picture that you can say is your own is really the icing on the cake.

Also very true. And we all NEED an escape like that in our lives. and it brings us a moment of happiness. I wish we could all remember that feeling when we talk to each other.

Before I got seriously into Poser, I used to do pencil art. I was actually quite good at it, too. I know Poser has a sketch renderer, but I've never found a way to emulate drawing a picture in Poser to render.