Hard drive crash, Windows and Poser re-installed. 10 instead of 9. Here’s how it is. Victoria 4.2 and morphs are in the old Poser 6 library. (Poser 6 was untouched after the crash. Everything in Program files (x86) was nuked) Newer things like Creature Creator and Stephanie 4 are in My DAZ 3D Library, or new Poser 10. I remember being told once that Victoria needs to be in the same place as the morphs to work. 3 years ago I asked DAZ for help with Creature Creator, but nothing worked. 6 months later, an idea came to me, and I fixed it, but now I don’t remember what I did. I’ve been told that multiple runtimes are bad. The morphs that are in the same Poser 6 Runtime with Victoria 4.2 work. The new ones outside of Poser 6 don’t. In other ways, importing the old Poser 6 library was a huge help, because many things were saved. Nothing was saved that was in Poser 9. Individual files (purchases) were backed up on an external drive. Many have been restored, but DAZ morphs? Forget it. I remember having the Stephanie 4 morphs working before the crash. They won’t now.

Did you initiaze the morphs, you'll find the batch file under !Daz (DzCreateExPFiles-V4.bat).

The ExP morph system that gen 4 figures use requires that the figures and morphs are all in the same library. Do not install content to the Program Files folder as they are protected by the OS, the initializing won't be able to write to them.

A fresh install of Poser 10 didn't even have a !DAZ folder in runtime/libraries and I had to create one. I tried running the batch files, no luck yet. Yes, I'm very careful not to have content in Program Files. I was so nervous I don't even have Poser in Program Files. Still working on it. I usually get stuck and get a brilliant inspiration 6 months later if I'm lucky. I wish I could remember what I did to fix it last time. It's buried deep in my subconscious. I should have written it down, but I'd solved an impossible problem and was full of smugness. Probably involved switching certain files to certain folders and running the batch files until something clicked. My file structure is wack, and I had a chance at a clean start. Maybe importing the old Poser 6 library where V4 is installed with some morphs is part of the problem, but I'm too scared to delete the old V4 and morphs and start fresh, because then I could be left with nothing. I need the old Poser 6 library because apart from V4, it has a ton of content which would be a nightmare to reinstall if even possible.

I meant to say there was no !DAZ folder after I'd re-installed some V4 Morphs etc. Expecting it to just be there after a fresh install of Poser would be weird.

Delete all old gen 4 files. Create a new library folder just for the gen 4s and install to that with newly downloaded zip files. If extracting manually instead of using DIM remember to extract what is inside the "Content" folder in the zip not the folder itself.

Hmm. I'll keep working on it. I don't manually extract things like Stephanie 4 and Creature Creator morphs because they each contain a Victoria 4 folder with a list of body parts a mile long. Maybe I don't trust unzip programs to merge the folders properly.

When I delete the old files, do the new ones need to be re-installed, initialized, or can I leave them alone?

You may or may not see funny behavior such as vicky's head being too large. Running the batch file seems to cure this. I just ported over my old files using a free program mover. The free version can only move one program at a time but it moves it expertly. Everything I had before works on the new machine. Do all of your morphs work?

The program is called http://www.easeus.com/free-pc-transfer-software/

I don't know if the mods will allow the link but it isn't competing software so I think it should be okay. The pay version moves everything at a reasonable price but if you want a clean machine BUT just wish to make sure your Poser worked as before, this worked for me.

Simple character morphs from Renderosity for individual characters work, but full body morphs with power loaders from DAZ don't unless they were installed in Poser 6 where Victoria4 resides. I think it's too late for a program that moves programs if I understand you correctly because Poser 9 was totally wiped out without a trace. What I backed up on my external drive was hundreds of files for purchases like hair, clothing, customized people, animals, and props, but thanks anyway.

If you have Victoria 4 installed to the poser 6 executable (under Windows Vista or later) that will be the root of the issue - remove the files (at least the RuntimeLibraries!DAZ folder) and reinstall (from DIM or the zips, not from the old Bitrock executables) to a location that isn't protected by the operating system - such as your regular content library.

That seems to be the problem I'm working on, and what I plan to do. Strangely, I had found a way a couple years back to get Stephanie 4 and Creature Creator working without changing that goofy setup. But I can't remember what I did. It wasn't editing the batch install file. That's above my IQ level.

If you have multiple Runtimes have you checked that you only have one version of the !DAZ folder?

I had a lot of issues at one time which was sorted by combining two !Daz folders in to one in the Poser Content library folder.

BTW, I think this is where the 'You must have V4 in your main runtime' myth came from. I quite happily run M4 and V4 from separate runtimes but they all refer back to the one !DAZ folder for the morphs and the exp batch files work no problem to update morphs.

I love you! That was the final thing I hadn't done yet. I found that folder and terminated it with extreme prejudice! Thanks Haruchai! Tests show I could finally be back on the block. This time I'll write everything down so I will remember.

Glad you got it sorted, just passing along the wisdom given to me a long while ago when I had this issue but it stayed with me for some reason.

Talos posted at 8:30PM Sat, 23 July 2016 - #4277062

I love you! That was the final thing I hadn't done yet. I found that folder and terminated it with extreme prejudice! Thanks Haruchai! Tests show I could finally be back on the block. This time I'll write everything down so I will remember.

Now that is something I didn't know. I've been having trouble getting the Corvas smooth morphs to work. It's really bothersome considering that every other morph pack I have works correctly except for that product. I'll see if I can find extra !DAZ folder and terminate with super extreme prejudice! (After I back it up to a secure location)

Don't terminate with extreme prejudice!

The thing is that when you install things to various runtimes more than one !Daz folder can result. This leads Poser to get confused when looking for the !DAZ folder being called, it will only find the subset of morphs in the one it finds and this is what causes the problems.

What I do is manually MOVE any content in other !DAZ folders to the main one in my Poser Content folder. This means that all morphs, INJ deltas etc are only ever in one folder but they are all there. If you delete the second folder you find you will be deleting the morphs it contains which kind of defeats the point of the exercise.

Hope this helps

This is a great piece of "intel" we all can use! Thank you!

No worries, it's good to be able to give back after learning so much from others.

At the risk of labouring the point here are a couple of screenshots to illustrate what I mean (I'm very visual and pictures always help me).

As you can see none of this content is on my C: drive where the Poser program is installed, everything is moved to an external drive. Just make sure that any !DAZ folders in the Poser runtime libraries are moved to the Poser Content library folder. For example I have a Laura folder in the Poser Content/Runtime/Libraries/!DAZ folder but all the character files, props, morph iNJ files etc are in the Poser Runtimes/DAZ 3 Kids folder. As long as all these Runtimes are mapped to the Poser program everything functions perfectly.

My runtime looks messy compared to the example above. The result of poorly packaged free content or my rookie mistakes when I first got hold of Poser 7. In fact, my main Poser runtime for all content not bought at DAZ is located in Poser 7/runtime/libraries et al.

Now thanks to the Daz Install Manager I have an extra runtime which is simply all of my content bought at DAZ. This includes a duplicate V4/M4/K4 install of characters, pose, materials and such. I mainly use the one first runtime I have listed. Is that why my Corvas morphs don't work? I still find this strange as my newly bought Lyrra scales morph do work. My perfect V4 (from X and M) works. Everything works except for Corvas morphs which the readme says requires that I reinitialize V4 and M4 again.

I don't want my money back. I want the Corvas morphs to work. I could use some help here. What should I do to get that help?

Here is my !DAZ files including locations in case my problem didn't make sense.

Don't put content in the application folder - Windows, later than Vista, will restrict access to that location and things like the fourth generation figures will be broken as they will fail to create their "index" files (well, not fail - but they will not be where they should be).

quietrob posted at 6:15PM Tue, 09 August 2016 - #4279237

Here is my !DAZ files including locations in case my problem didn't make sense.

What is in the Runtime folder you have highlighted? This could be a classic case of runtime nesting i.e. Runtime within a Runtime. If it contains geometries, libraries and textures folders these need to be moved to the main Runtime

I'm having the same problem, I have all my stuff in the program folders too. And have had some issues, but I still get confused when people say to move the folders to a certain runtime location.I think I'd be better off just downgrading back to Vista Or XP, I got a new computer and I don't intend to use it for internet surfering after what these damn viruses and shit have done to the one I'm on now.

As stated in a previous post, Vista will still cause Program Files interference through UAC. You are looking to downgrade as far as XP. However, if you are running a current Poser version, you will still need an internet connection to continue use of the program.

P11 requires Win7 or newer, so you can't go back to Vista or XP and run P11.

Vista is the Windows version which introduced User Account Control, so XP is the latest version without UAC. You may hear advice to turn off UAC, but I strongly discourage that; UAC is a security layer which protects your programs from overwrite malware attack.

If you have tried to install/save content to the runtime in program files, it gets redirected off to the virtual store folder. Look in C:\Users\admin\AppData\Local\VirtualStore... and you can cut/paste manually to move it.

Weird. I got a new computer and simply copied my old Poser 6 Runtime over inside a folder named "Old Main Runtime". Installed Poser Pro 2012 on the new box (Win7 Pro) and never had a moment's problem.