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 Subject: Daz Studio 4.9 Big Changes Incoming!!

ghosty12 opened this issue on Oct 28, 2015 · 502 posts

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  FlagonsWorkshop    ( ) ( posted at 3:46PM Tue, 03 November 2015  · @4236751

Male_M3dia posted at 3:38PM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236723

diogenese19348 posted at 1:38PM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236699

Khory_D posted at 11:53AM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236609

_Since what DAZ is really doing is protecting the PA's, I would have to guess that some PA's will opt for DRM and some will not. _

I don't see that as a viable option. QA has more than enough to do for us as is without having to check some list about final packaging and placement for download of the product. It would also be very confusing for customers.

Then DAZ is going to lose some PA's since some have expressed the opinion on the Message boards that they do not want their product encrypted. Which is what is the problem with the way DAZ is going about it, some people just will not tolerate encrypted content on general principle. So the question is, will the customers they lose through encryption be offset by incoming new customers from the warez sites? Survey says... never happened in the past for entertainment software. That's why companies moved away from it. It's not that DRM can't work, it's just that it never generates increased sales. Or does anybody have something that shows that isn't true?

The only times I know of that DRM has increased sales is if the software is used by businesses that can be sued if caught using unlicensed versions.

You can't increase sales by inconveniencing your customers.

It's not about increasing sales, DRM isn't a incentive to buy, it is for those that want to use it that did not pay for it or do not abide by the licensing agreement of the product. So it may not get people to buy it that would not buy it anyway, but it does attempt to protect more of the casual piracy that goes on and sends a message that this type of sharing isn't condoned where not protecting it in light of piracy sends a totally opposite message.

In the past, there was less of a need for certain things to be protected because of the ecosystem where sites, customers and the producer kept the whole thing honest or had a recourse to remove content that was illegal. If a file was illegally hosted, all the copyright user had to do was to make a request to take it down and the site abided by that, which in term kept the consumer ease of use high. However the system is broken to the point that the copyright holder has no choice but to add more protection to the product because the sites aren't honoring the take down notices, which then inconveniences the consumer.

Hey, I'm an artist, and I know the pain of somebody ripping off your work, going so far as removing your watermarks, adding theirs, and claiming they created it. But from a business standpoint, the only reason to bother with DRM to start with is the idea that reduced piracy increases sales. That just has never been statistically proven for entertainment digital items in any form. Now if DAZ discovered there is a black market for the SALE of DAZ content, that might be addressable with DRM. Or better yet legal avenues. I personally don't have any problem continuing to buy DRM items from DAZ as long as that DRM does not get in the way of me using the items. I just don't think it is going to do them any good in increasing sales. I'm also not sure it was the wisest idea to publicly admit on their own forum that there were places you could find DAZ content for free. They'd probably have been better off not advertising that.


  Male_M3dia    ( ) ( posted at 4:12PM Tue, 03 November 2015  · @4236754

diogenese19348 posted at 5:10PM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236751

Male_M3dia posted at 3:38PM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236723

diogenese19348 posted at 1:38PM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236699

Khory_D posted at 11:53AM Tue, 03 November 2015 - #4236609

_Since what DAZ is really doing is protecting the PA's, I would have to guess that some PA's will opt for DRM and some will not. _

I don't see that as a viable option. QA has more than enough to do for us as is without having to check some list about final packaging and placement for download of the product. It would also be very confusing for customers.

Then DAZ is going to lose some PA's since some have expressed the opinion on the Message boards that they do not want their product encrypted. Which is what is the problem with the way DAZ is going about it, some people just will not tolerate encrypted content on general principle. So the question is, will the customers they lose through encryption be offset by incoming new customers from the warez sites? Survey says... never happened in the past for entertainment software. That's why companies moved away from it. It's not that DRM can't work, it's just that it never generates increased sales. Or does anybody have something that shows that isn't true?

The only times I know of that DRM has increased sales is if the software is used by businesses that can be sued if caught using unlicensed versions.

You can't increase sales by inconveniencing your customers.

It's not about increasing sales, DRM isn't a incentive to buy, it is for those that want to use it that did not pay for it or do not abide by the licensing agreement of the product. So it may not get people to buy it that would not buy it anyway, but it does attempt to protect more of the casual piracy that goes on and sends a message that this type of sharing isn't condoned where not protecting it in light of piracy sends a totally opposite message.

In the past, there was less of a need for certain things to be protected because of the ecosystem where sites, customers and the producer kept the whole thing honest or had a recourse to remove content that was illegal. If a file was illegally hosted, all the copyright user had to do was to make a request to take it down and the site abided by that, which in term kept the consumer ease of use high. However the system is broken to the point that the copyright holder has no choice but to add more protection to the product because the sites aren't honoring the take down notices, which then inconveniences the consumer.

Hey, I'm an artist, and I know the pain of somebody ripping off your work, going so far as removing your watermarks, adding theirs, and claiming they created it. But from a business standpoint, the only reason to bother with DRM to start with is the idea that reduced piracy increases sales. That just has never been statistically proven for entertainment digital items in any form. Now if DAZ discovered there is a black market for the SALE of DAZ content, that might be addressable with DRM. Or better yet legal avenues. I personally don't have any problem continuing to buy DRM items from DAZ as long as that DRM does not get in the way of me using the items. I just don't think it is going to do them any good in increasing sales. I'm also not sure it was the wisest idea to publicly admit on their own forum that there were places you could find DAZ content for free. They'd probably have been better off not advertising that.

DRM isn't a feature for selling products, as I said. It's a means to protect products from authorized use as the methods that could be use to removed unauthorized content from sites no longer work.


  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 4:42PM Tue, 03 November 2015  · @4236757

@ssgbryan Look forward to checking out your novel it is always interesting to see the different uses for both Daz and Poser. I find both very good for album covers

ssgbryan mentions "But we should move back on topic". As long as it involves Daz the issues affecting you with the update, import-export, The positives noticed by the members that are currently on 4.9 (please post your observations) Negatives do that too, Daz products in Poser etc and theories regarding the future compatability (without bashing either brand or individual ) these are all fine and relevant Just be friendly to each other and if need be challenge a point but at all times show respect towards your fellow members. In other words you are free to venture slightly as this change may have issues outside the Daz Studio environment. Just keep it sweet and all will be fine :-) Thank you

I know that Daz has the (Extended) gaming license I wonder with DRM whether an export license will be required even to use in external apps not under the gaming banner. Like animation even Maya etc. Any whispers??? It won't be the first Co' to do this.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

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  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 9:14PM Tue, 03 November 2015  · @4236796

"Then DAZ is going to lose some PA's since some have expressed the opinion on the Message boards that they do not want their product encrypted."

No one holds PA's in chains to keep them working at any brokerage. If they choose to leave then they leave.

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Daz studio and Poser content creators

  Morpheon    ( ) ( posted at 10:05PM Tue, 03 November 2015  · @4236799

"Then DAZ is going to lose some PA's since some have expressed the opinion on the Message boards that they do not want their product encrypted."

Must have missed those when I was still following that thread, or they posted such after I dropped out. The only content creator I was aware of was Zev0, and he was all for it.


  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 2:04AM Wed, 04 November 2015  · @4236831

wolf359 posted at 6:05PM Wed, 04 November 2015 - #4236692

@LPR001 have you tried the MDD/Obj export options??

I am using this methodology to get genesis 1 ,2 figures animated in maxon c4d .

It's quite a smooth pipeline.

Thanks wolf359 I will check it out My process is usually FBX then convert if needed depending where they heading. My Genesis & Genesis 2 M&F the V's G's etc that are compatible with that base all work perfectly for me. Plus with Akeytsu, Mocap and fully packed motion library I must have just about every move a human can make on file. Lot of 30 second loops which take a lot of pain out. Pre Genesis is a different matter V4.2 backwards they get a little ordinary to say the least. DIM or DRM it will take more than either to fix that lol Probably not worth it as not short of Gens and other Non Daz characters. With the merch resources and morphs just make them if no time buy them in. I think it will be a while before I run out of options in the Genesis/2 department

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


  leeduva    ( ) ( posted at 9:00AM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237033

I say this again. My biggest concern isn't daz going DRM. Hell Daz could make a usb dongle that a butt plug. That you must insert into your ass at all time in order to use Daz 4.9 That be no problem to me. I just stick to 4.8. Now what worries me if Daz went to Hivewire,rendoerotica, runtime,and even here an force these stores to use Daz connect on their products. Or Daz simply buy them put em into it ecosystem. Maybe Daz will simply no longer allow non-Connect products to be imported into their software, thus making it impossible to purchase DS content outside of Daz3d. Then I have no choice but to go to Daz 4.9. Then again there Poser and Adobe fuse.


  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 9:20AM Thu, 05 November 2015 · edited on 9:33AM Thu, 05 November 2015 · @4237034

Again. Older content and ones from other sites will be installed the same as it always has been. Only new content sold at Daz via Daz connect will have DRM protection to protect content they sell. Will Daz eventually add DRM for old content they sell? Maybe maybe not. But why would Daz deny other external parties making content for their figures or app? It's free advertising for them, and there is no benefit to denying them the ability to do so, and as far as I know, is not even something Daz is thinking about.

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  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 10:57AM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237049

@leeduva How about you try to keep your future comments out of the gutter. I have shown a lot of leniency on this entire thread letting you all blow off a bit of steam, speculate even the odd scrap and considering the circumstances all members have managed things very well. There is no place for comments that can be offensive to other members keep it clean please.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

lpr001@renderosity.com


  leeduva    ( ) ( posted at 5:21PM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237122

LPR001 posted at 5:05PM Thu, 05 November 2015 - #4237049

@leeduva How about you try to keep your future comments out of the gutter. I have shown a lot of leniency on this entire thread letting you all blow off a bit of steam, speculate even the odd scrap and considering the circumstances all members have managed things very well. There is no place for comments that can be offensive to other members keep it clean please.

Forgive my comments. An let me rephrase it then. Daz can come out an say in order for me to use Daz 4.9. I have to disclose my Social security,bank account,employment
history,and ten people who can vouch for my character. That I won't pirate,harass,or other activities that Daz don't agree with. That fine. I will not complain,nor will I argue them to change their policy. I will simply not upgrade to 4.9. My biggist concern is that Daz will buy,threaten,or pressure. Site like Rend,Hivewire,rundna,renderotica,and other to comply with Daz connect using their EULA. That is my concern. But again There Poser,Makehuman,Adobe/Mixamo fuse. So if Daz in the future goes that route. Then I just use those 3 software that I mention.


  wheatpenny    ( ) ( posted at 5:46PM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237125

I doubt very seriously that Daz has any intention of forcing other sites to comply with Daz Connect. That would cause them to lose a lot of customers. The people running Daz are not going to make a bad business move that will cost them a lot of customers. The bottom line is the bottom line, and, like all other content providers, they're in it to make a decent profit which they won't do if their customers start leaving. So there's, IMO, nothing to worry about.




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  GeofiX    ( ) ( posted at 10:43PM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237166

"The people running Daz are not going to make a bad business move that will cost them a lot of customers" REALLY ? You have read the thread at DAZ, most of it is concerned with the DRM aspect of the program. Also it has been repeatedly stated that older content will be will be repackaged to be available through the Connect system. Therefore I can see a time when Connect is the only way to get products into DS thus forcing non-Daz vendors to go that route. leeduva makes an interesting point. I've decided not to upgrade - This means I'll not be buying anything from DAZ.

This'll be the only comment I'll make for the time being (I've got other things to occupy me) Have A Nice Day!


  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 11:27PM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237168

leeduva posted at 11:39PM Thu, 05 November 2015 - #4237122

LPR001 posted at 5:05PM Thu, 05 November 2015 - #4237049

@leeduva How about you try to keep your future comments out of the gutter. I have shown a lot of leniency on this entire thread letting you all blow off a bit of steam, speculate even the odd scrap and considering the circumstances all members have managed things very well. There is no place for comments that can be offensive to other members keep it clean please.

Forgive my comments. An let me rephrase it then. Daz can come out an say in order for me to use Daz 4.9. I have to disclose my Social security,bank account,employment
history,and ten people who can vouch for my character. That I won't pirate,harass,or other activities that Daz don't agree with. That fine. I will not complain,nor will I argue them to change their policy. I will simply not upgrade to 4.9. My biggist concern is that Daz will buy,threaten,or pressure. Site like Rend,Hivewire,rundna,renderotica,and other to comply with Daz connect using their EULA. That is my concern. But again There Poser,Makehuman,Adobe/Mixamo fuse. So if Daz in the future goes that route. Then I just use those 3 software that I mention.

What your talking about is actually impossible. First of all it would make it impossible to actually create any products at all if Studio only used connect downloaded files. When we create we have to use the files we just created and they would not be via connect. Not sure who thought up that rumor but they really did not think it through before they went public with it.

It is unlikely that Daz would buy out any of the other brokerages at this point. I don't think there would be any benefit for them finacialy and there are actually benefits to having the other brokerages around. Threaten...You make them sound like the mob which they are not. And just what threat would they use? "You better try harder to prevent piracy or we are going to break your virtual corporate thumbs"? Like that would work. They have no need and no leverage to try and coerce any other brokerage into adding encryption. It is not their job to cut down pirating for the other brokerages anyway. Nor do they want to have everyone download through them no matter where products are sold. They would incur all the server costs and hassles with no monetary gain on their part. And that would be the only way to get those files connected to connect.

The EULA for every company is a legal document that protects that companies rights. The idea of using any other companies EULA kind of laughable when you think about it. It is like saying you expect Macy's to tell Sears that they need to use their forms from now on. How stupid would that be? They would all still say Macy's and refer to things that Sears does not have.

I have to ask what your intent is with the bit about you having to disclose extra information? Do you anticipate other brokerages to do that in order to track down pirates? It wouldn't really be in any companies best interest to have that information or access to it unless they were a bank or similar. They would then have to safeguard it for one thing. All businesses care about is the information they need to be paid and even try and make sure that the charge company has the cc information rather than that it be on store servers. If your saying they might need that information to turn in pirates that would be unnecessary. Police agencies would be the ones who needed the information and they have ways of finding it out without any store needing to supply it. Just the same way a big box department store does not need that information to turn in a shop lifter.

www.Calida3d.com
Daz studio and Poser content creators

  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 11:39PM Thu, 05 November 2015  · @4237169

GeofiX posted at 12:32AM Fri, 06 November 2015 - #4237166

"The people running Daz are not going to make a bad business move that will cost them a lot of customers" REALLY ? You have read the thread at DAZ, most of it is concerned with the DRM aspect of the program. Also it has been repeatedly stated that older content will be will be repackaged to be available through the Connect system. Therefore I can see a time when Connect is the only way to get products into DS thus forcing non-Daz vendors to go that route. leeduva makes an interesting point. I've decided not to upgrade - This means I'll not be buying anything from DAZ.

This'll be the only comment I'll make for the time being (I've got other things to occupy me) Have A Nice Day!

And it has been repeatedly stated that it will be available for other types of download as well. Studio has to use non encrypted files during the creation process and always will have to in order for there to be any content created. Daz is a brokerage and they need content to stay in business. Nor do they want to prevent people who are not Daz PA's from creating content. There are to many benefits to them when content is created and sold elsewhere.

www.Calida3d.com
Daz studio and Poser content creators

  JasonGalterio    ( ) ( posted at 1:47PM Fri, 06 November 2015  · @4237246

Zev0 posted at 2:46PM Fri, 06 November 2015 - #4237034

Again. Older content and ones from other sites will be installed the same as it always has been. Only new content sold at Daz via Daz connect will have DRM protection to protect content they sell. Will Daz eventually add DRM for old content they sell? Maybe maybe not. But why would Daz deny other external parties making content for their figures or app? It's free advertising for them, and there is no benefit to denying them the ability to do so, and as far as I know, is not even something Daz is thinking about.

FYI - It has already been stated by DAZ that all content, new and old, downloaded thru DAZ Connect will be encrypted.


  Khory_D    ( ) ( posted at 2:25PM Fri, 06 November 2015  · @4237252

It has also been stated that content will continue to be available through account download and DIM.

www.Calida3d.com
Daz studio and Poser content creators

  Tony_Stark    ( ) ( posted at 4:25PM Fri, 06 November 2015  · @4237273

I started reading about DAZ Studio 4.9 and DAZ Connect yesterday. At first I was really irritated. I don't like someone telling me I can't move my content around. I hate DRM.

My biggest gripe was that DAZ had no rhyme or reason when it came to installing their content. But I got awfully tired trying to manually install my content. Now the Search function appears to work for me. I'm ok with the changes.


  chaecuna    ( ) ( posted at 11:32PM Fri, 06 November 2015  · @4237314

In DAZ forums even DAZ people are openly admitting that this DRM scheme does not deter pirates and users are sloooowly starting to realize that all this stuff is just a ruse to enforce the use of DazConnect, the first step on the slippery slope (as rightly defined over there) to a cloud-only solution.

Mark my words: if this DazConnect thing sticks, the real DRM, a cloud only environment, is just a few years down the road so, fight determinately against it (with the only weapon DAZ people consider, i.e. your wallet) and, in the mean time, find yourself an exit strategy.

Needless to remark that DAZ PAs have to follow the party line and harshly disagree ;-).


  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 2:30AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · edited on 2:43AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · @4237321

chaecuna posted at 7:08PM Sat, 07 November 2015 - #4237314

In DAZ forums even DAZ people are openly admitting that this DRM scheme does not deter pirates and users are sloooowly starting to realize that all this stuff is just a ruse to enforce the use of DazConnect, the first step on the slippery slope (as rightly defined over there) to a cloud-only solution.

Mark my words: if this DazConnect thing sticks, the real DRM, a cloud only environment, is just a few years down the road so, fight determinately against it (with the only weapon DAZ people consider, i.e. your wallet) and, in the mean time, find yourself an exit strategy. Needless to remark that DAZ PAs have to follow the party line and harshly disagree ;-).

Says who? If that's the case I didn't get the memo.

As far as the rest of the comment goes maybe your coming at it from the school of Chicken Little?

Just to humour you for a minute what advantage would there be for Daz in moving to a cloud solution only? Wouldn't the very idea of how much content is available make it totally unworkable for the majority of users not to mention a nightmare to deliver? Also I'm not sure where the "ruse" is here? Which part of what Daz has said that makes you feel like you have been tricked or misled? It always amazes me the amount of conspiracy theories abound that make absolutely zero business sense.

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• Hmm that was strange, what was I saying that's right, Daz3D are just so Awesome! Lol

Do you have anything new Chae? Or just trying to stoke the coals of this thread?



  Zev0    ( ) ( posted at 4:45AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · edited on 4:56AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · @4237324

chaecuna posted at 12:38PM Sat, 07 November 2015 - #4237314

In DAZ forums even DAZ people are openly admitting that this DRM scheme does not deter pirates and users are sloooowly starting to realize that all this stuff is just a ruse to enforce the use of DazConnect, the first step on the slippery slope (as rightly defined over there) to a cloud-only solution.

Mark my words: if this DazConnect thing sticks, the real DRM, a cloud only environment, is just a few years down the road so, fight determinately against it (with the only weapon DAZ people consider, i.e. your wallet) and, in the mean time, find yourself an exit strategy.

Needless to remark that DAZ PAs have to follow the party line and harshly disagree ;-).

Ummm actually, behind closed doors at the round table, (a place where PA's chat) there are quite a few who are against DRM simply because they do not understand what it is about. A few of us actually went to Daz HQ to attend the briefing, and those that did, understand that there is no impact at all really in how you use content, and that this general fear of DRM is based on passed crappy implemented DRM experiences from other companies, which is just being projected onto Daz when nobody has even seen what the Daz one is actually about. But it's natural to fear what you do not understand. I say wait till you get your first DRM product, and then decide from there if you want to leave.

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  Male_M3dia    ( ) ( posted at 6:03AM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237327

Khory_D posted at 7:02AM Sat, 07 November 2015 - #4237169

GeofiX posted at 12:32AM Fri, 06 November 2015 - #4237166

"The people running Daz are not going to make a bad business move that will cost them a lot of customers" REALLY ? You have read the thread at DAZ, most of it is concerned with the DRM aspect of the program. Also it has been repeatedly stated that older content will be will be repackaged to be available through the Connect system. Therefore I can see a time when Connect is the only way to get products into DS thus forcing non-Daz vendors to go that route. leeduva makes an interesting point. I've decided not to upgrade - This means I'll not be buying anything from DAZ.

This'll be the only comment I'll make for the time being (I've got other things to occupy me) Have A Nice Day!

And it has been repeatedly stated that it will be available for other types of download as well. Studio has to use non encrypted files during the creation process and always will have to in order for there to be any content created. Daz is a brokerage and they need content to stay in business. Nor do they want to prevent people who are not Daz PA's from creating content. There are to many benefits to them when content is created and sold elsewhere.

Also consider the freebie maker community as well. Not everyone wants to sell, so it wouldn't make sense to eliminate this community from making content.


  Male_M3dia    ( ) ( posted at 6:15AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · edited on 6:20AM Sat, 07 November 2015 · @4237330

Zev0 posted at 7:07AM Sat, 07 November 2015 - #4237324

chaecuna posted at 12:38PM Sat, 07 November 2015 - #4237314

In DAZ forums even DAZ people are openly admitting that this DRM scheme does not deter pirates and users are sloooowly starting to realize that all this stuff is just a ruse to enforce the use of DazConnect, the first step on the slippery slope (as rightly defined over there) to a cloud-only solution.

Mark my words: if this DazConnect thing sticks, the real DRM, a cloud only environment, is just a few years down the road so, fight determinately against it (with the only weapon DAZ people consider, i.e. your wallet) and, in the mean time, find yourself an exit strategy.

Needless to remark that DAZ PAs have to follow the party line and harshly disagree ;-).

Ummm actually, behind closed doors at the round table, (a place where PA's chat) there are quite a few who are against DRM simply because they do not understand what it is about. A few of us actually went to Daz HQ to attend the briefing, and those that did, understand that there is no impact at all really in how you use content, and that this general fear of DRM is based on passed crappy implemented DRM experiences from other companies, which is just being projected onto Daz when nobody has even seen what the Daz one is actually about. But it's natural to fear what you do not understand. I say wait till you get your first DRM product, and then decide from there if you want to leave.

DRM is a small part of what DAZ Connect is, so it would pay to wait and keep the fear mongering to a minimum and understand the other parts of what DAZ Connect is.

Also Cloud only content? Considering some products can be 1gb or more, I would think that would be an unworkable solution for people with limited internet connections or bandwidth restrictions. I know I would get notes and charges from my ISP if I kept downloading a 1gb item (which would take about 20 or more minutes each to even download) to use in multiple scenes. It would be like "Let me get multiple gigs of content from the cloud for just this one scene. Let me do this before I go to bed and it should be done by the time I wake up. Oh, I forgot this item; let me run to the store while it downloads."

It would pay to actually think through what you are suggesting before posting as wild speculations like this can be easily shot down.


  wheatpenny    ( ) ( posted at 6:42AM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237331

Last night I downloaded the Beta and gave Daz Connect a try, and so far it appears it's not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.




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  wheatpenny    ( ) ( posted at 7:00AM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237332

And it should also be mentioned that it appears that once you download an item, it stays downloaded and installed, so if you have a 1 GB item you only need to download it once.




Jeff

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  Razor42    ( ) ( posted at 7:42AM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237335

As wheatpenny pointed out, the incremental product updates are going to be great for me being on limited data.

Apologee's if i appeared to trivalise your concerns chae, but really speculating in such ways just appears to be stirring the pot for the sake of it. If you have serious questions about Daz Connect there are plenty here willing to help you out with answers.



  LPR001    ( ) ( posted at 10:23AM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237361

@chaecuna don't forget only one thread over you were saying us "mommy-knows-best moderators" should be shooting down this sort of behaviour.

- Johnny G

"Try animation to get things moving"

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  pendraia    ( ) ( posted at 2:40PM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237390

Interesting discussion. I've seen many comments about how long it would take for pirates to rebuild content. I do have a question though. Given that you can export as a cr2 then open it in ds and use the transfer utility to copy weightmapping and morphs across. How long would it take to crack the encryption for rigged characters? I use this method to import morphs that have been created for poser to Dawn. It generally takes me less than an hour to do.

Another concern I have is that I like to move things around in the parameter tabs so it is easier to find morphs. Will I still be able to do this in a notepad type editor?


  JasonGalterio    ( ) ( posted at 3:55PM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237396

Here is one thing I don't like about the situation, that no one has touched on.

In past experience the implementation of simple, small updates have led to a downturn in quality. It turns into meeting a time line release before insuring that all the kinks are worked out. I.e. it is easy to fall into the trap of "let's see what happens, we can always fix it quick."

I am not saying that this will happen, just that it is human nature to follow this direction.


  chaecuna    ( ) ( posted at 5:44PM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237406

In general, Razor42 post does not warrant anything beyond a mention to the "Everyone Is Now Dumber" clip from Billy Madison (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc).

Unfortunately, inside that post there is a very dangerous deliberate lie. I realized that it is possible that readers of this thread have a naive idea of what a cloud-based is, how it is structured and how it works so, in order dispel that lie (and to provide further nightmare fuel) I will briefly talk about this evil brain vomit called cloud-based application (developing which is incidentally my day job).

Interestingly, there are two 3D related cloud-based application that we can examine: Tinkercad by Autodesk (evil? check, anti-customer? check, Autodesk? check) and Clara.io. They are both cloud-based 3D modeling applications; Tinkercad is more CAD-like, Clara.io more similar to standard polygonal modeling applications.

Tinkercad is available here (https://www.tinkercad.com/) and Clara.io here (https://clara.io/). I use "available" with comedic purpose, because there is nothing, in those two applications, that is available in the conventional sense. What you do with those applications is to register to their respective web sites and then navigate (with your web browser) to appropriate URL, login and begin work with them. Nothing at all is installed on your computer, the user interface part (HTML and Javascript) is loaded by your broser and executed inside it; everything else (processing, data storage and data itself) resides inside the cloud. Unless you are logged into your account, you can do nothing for the simple reason that there is nothing (either data or executables) on your computer. You can see by yourself how the thing ticks watching two videos, one for Tinkercad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwjWT-EvKSU) and one for Clara.io (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EF-T0moiGg). Going back to DAZ, the web-based version of Studio was announced years ago and never afterwards did DAZ officially state that the idea had been killed. So, the "distribution of content would be a nighmare" lie, is just that, a lie, since a cloud-based application is all about not distributing either content or execution (and Razor42 is certainly well aware of this).

The continued DAZ indifference to those pointing out that the DRM scheme is leaky is a dead giveaway that DAZ sees no need for a strong DRM scheme... in Studio, which can only be rationally explained by a future in which the Studio we know is a tool reserved for content developers and is as embargoed as nowadays are HD tools. For everybody outside the PAs elite, the logical final step is a super-duper Platinum club, with access to DAZ Cloud, with content and rendering capabilities, accessed with the web-based Studio version.

Piracy is killed, since DAZ content never physically leave DAZ controlled servers and, as much important, users are completely hostage of DAZ. When DAZ changes PC fee, users can either suck it up and pay or end their subscription, loosing access to everything. Did you notice how many people recently wrote posts to the tune of "I have enough content for 10 years, I can wait"? with a cloud architecture you do not wait. Either you pay or you change hobby. In general, subscription-based software, software-as-service, is the high tech version of a mob racket: pay or else, with the added bonus that the scheme is even legal ;-).

Only DAZ vendors (like Razor42), mesmerized with the naive dream of fabulous revenues thanks to the elimination of piracy and the rackeeteering scheme imposed on users can salute this future as advisable; everybody else has to loose from it. I wrote naive dream because when such situation is established/is being established a big market opportunity for a different approach rises and market opportunities are are always filled. Just an example: in the prehistory of computing some compiler vendors tried to make developers pay royalties for the programs they distributed: immediately, other vendors went in the opposite direction (the one which is standard since decades) and those leeches are nothing more an irrelevant footnote in the history of computing.


  Writers_Block    ( ) ( posted at 6:11PM Sat, 07 November 2015  · @4237408

LPR001 posted at 12:08AM Sun, 08 November 2015 - #4236072

@Writers_Block With Daz or any Biz/Co if you entered a contract to purchase goods between this date and that date and clicked agree you have purchased them under those rules and conditions as with any business transaction you keep your records and a copy of the agreed terms. I have always had a good run with Daz and do rate them highly with their conduct and if I have had an issue which is only a handful in all these years it has always gone in my favour and they have fixed the issue. I am sure Daz are getting the message loud and clear about people's feelings and I seriously doubt they are going to block access to a customer's previous purchases nor was it ever their intention. Besides if they did I would just say "Don't make me jump in my Volkswagen and head down there to sort this out" they will know I am already ticked off and on the warpath. I have spent a lot of money on content there and I fully expect that content to remain in my possession long after this all dies down

There customer service has always been spot on, I'm not concerned with that. My main issue is their rampant deletion of posts. It suggests something dishonest, at least to me.

Khory_D posted at 12:08AM Sun, 08 November 2015 - #4236069

"I am not so sure on the cloud side it is a wait and see."

Why? Nothing bad has happened with DIM and it is the exact same sort of cloud set up.

"I'm not against them protecting their products, I'm against them refusing to answer how we can be sure we won't lose access to it."

I'm not sure how many more ways they have to say stuff. First, you can always keep using DIM or zips. Second, the only way you lose access is if something goes wrong on your computer. Pretty much the same kind of goes wrong that would nuke the serial number in the program itself. Once you have the content on your computer its there till you remove it. The cloud stores content you have not yet installed or have removed. If you install it it is on your computer. This is basically the same exact set up as DIM that people have been using for several years now. The only big change is ease of use for those of us who want that.

Funny how you address everything except what I'm most annoyed at. Deleted posts.


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