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 Subject: slightly soapy water

xpdev opened this issue on Feb 26, 2014 · 86 posts

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  pumeco    ( ) ( posted at 7:10AM Wed, 13 August 2014  · @4168441

I'm not saying this lightly, the Poser node system never fails to impress and neither does the skill by some of the people here, I wish I could grasp it so well.

Looking at this shader reminds me of a "snow system" that was posted on another forum somewhere.  It was incredibly lifelike because it basically covered a scene with snow so that the snow really built-up in open areas and less so where things are partly covered, just like in real life.  Looking at it closely, you could see that in order to pull-off a shader like that, you would need a way to give the effect of buildup within the shader.

Why am I saying this?

Looking at this foam shader it's doing just that, it's like the foam is floating on the water, yet the water is what it should be, clear, or in other words, like a buildup of layers where the top is not effected by the underneath.  After seeing this foam shader, can't help thinking the snow thing would be possible as well.

Anyway, perhaps snow is something you might tackle once you perfected this, but either way :thumbup:


  EventMobil    ( ) ( posted at 6:19PM Wed, 13 August 2014 · edited on 6:19PM Wed, 13 August 2014 · @4168534

@ pumeco:

Talking of snow, I guess the shader you have seen was Snarlygribbly's Snow Machine. I have it for long time already, and in fact it inspired to look deeper into what we can do with the P-Node, and also the N-Node. Snarly's snow machine gives you the choice of increasing or decreasing the displacement offset, in order to have a thick or a thin snow layer on the basic material, just like I have done with my foam shader. The snow machine also evaluates the slope of the underlying object to determine whether snow can lie on it (more horizontal) or cannot lie on it (more vertical slope), this is done by evaluating the y-component of the N-Node.

Second inspiration were very many posts of Bagginsbill, who has so often suggested the use of 2 or more material layers which can be blended (or masked) into each other by various elaborated control node combinations. So there is nothing really new in my shader, maybe apart from the way I tried to create the foam surface detail. When I found it came closer to the 'bubbly' sort of foam, I became more courageous with the displacement and found it can work out a little more 'fluffy' than just the flat soapy foam.

Another occasion where I used a cascade of 3 material layers was to cut Victoria4 open on a morgue table... I created a black/white mask image of a cut along her body, blending in the muscle texture map. Then another (slightly smaller) black/white mask image, which blended in transparency to her skin in this area, exposing the underlying organs and skeleton. So from outside to inside blending her skin from normal (however bloody ;-)) skin to muscle map skin then to transparency. Creating the same two black/white mask images with additional blurred contours could be used as displacement maps, thus bending the skin a little bit outside at the rims of the hole, like in reality. I never posted something with it though, it became far too realistic and disturbing, when I came close to reality, smile...

Thanks so much for appreciation, I hope I can return something back to the community where me myself have so often benefitted from the knowledge shared by others :-)

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  EventMobil    ( ) ( posted at 6:32PM Wed, 13 August 2014  · @4168535


Here is some dust layer on a truck...

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  EventMobil    ( ) ( posted at 6:34PM Wed, 13 August 2014  · @4168536


And here is how to evaluate the slope of a surface with the n-node, to limit any snow/dust/foam to more horizontal areas and suppress the layer in more vertical areas.

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  jamminwolf    ( ) ( posted at 7:35PM Wed, 27 August 2014  · @4170699

Wwwwooow!  EventMobil, I gotta say this is awesome!  And of course, Bagginsbill... thanks to both of you for the lessons and freebie.  I'm quite interested in learning this, but my hands are tied for quite a while, I'll certainly save this page as favorite for later reference (but then I may take a break from my character creation and use it on one of them hehe).

Mainly I just gotta say I didn't think these suds (real looking ones) would ever look real in Poser, much less the cutting point where the body is under water, that's just awesome!

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  pumeco    ( ) ( posted at 7:00AM Sat, 18 April 2015  · @4200344

@EventMobil
Sorry, I had no idea you'd even replied to me, I just spotted it through following a link here.

Thanks for the heads-up, looks like I'll have to break my vow and take a look at those shader systems after all.  I've been avoiding both Baggins' and Snarly's scripts intentionally to make it harder on myself, but I suppose using them might even help me grasp things better, so what the hell.

Not in the mood for it right now as my mind is on other things, but I'll definitely take a look sooner rather than later, cheers!


  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 3:57PM Mon, 18 April 2016  · @4266107

Any chance of getting these shaders now. All the links seem to be broken.


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 11:28AM Sat, 23 April 2016 · edited on 11:31AM Sat, 23 April 2016 · @4266710

There is a way to copy the shaders: Rightclick the "broken" image, select: open as new tab. goto new tab, rightclick again, and select saveas. You can saveit as a MT5 file, and name it into something meaningfull, I named it: Soapy.mt5

By the way: This is a great shader!

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  rokket    ( ) ( posted at 11:52AM Sat, 23 April 2016  · @4266712

bopperthijs posted at 9:51AM Sat, 23 April 2016 - #4266710

There is a way to copy the shaders: Rightclick the "broken" image, select: open as new tab. goto new tab, rightclick again, and select saveas. You can saveit as a MT5 file, and name it into something meaningfull, I named it: Soapy.mt5

By the way: This is a great shader!

Except when I do this, I get a "This Page Does Not Exist" with a confused monkey on the screen. Maybe it's Firefox. I'll try IE...

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 2:22PM Sat, 23 April 2016  · @4266729

I don't think IE works either. Does ANYONE have a copy of this shader?


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 5:05PM Sat, 23 April 2016 · edited on 5:19PM Sat, 23 April 2016 · @4266745

I use chrome and it worked for me. it still does by the way. So I now have this shader, but I even can't copy it here as a txt-file. Stupid TOS. Any idea where I can upload it without breaking any rules?

I have made a printscreen of it, would this help? Soapy Compound.JPG

This is the compound node. On the left you have the output: displacement, diffuse and specular, on the tight the input: displacement, diffuse, specular.

Hope this will help.

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 5:18PM Sat, 23 April 2016  · @4266747

You can email it to me. I'll sitemail you my address.


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 5:19PM Sat, 23 April 2016  · @4266748

Ok, no problem.

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 5:22PM Sat, 23 April 2016  · @4266749

Thanks again.


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  rokket    ( ) ( posted at 1:14AM Sun, 24 April 2016  · @4266781

I'd like it. I have a use for this beyond soap.

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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 5:29AM Thu, 28 April 2016 · edited on 5:51AM Tue, 08 August 2017 · @4267217

Content Advisory! Nudity advisory.

I'm working on a cycles based plugin for EZskin3, and I'm going to have this shader also as an option. Until now it is not as sophisticated as Eventmobil's shader (no settings for heigth of the foam so far) because I have to recalibrate all the procedural textures, but it is starting to look good. Here is a superfly render: Render81.jpg

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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 5:33AM Thu, 28 April 2016  · @4267219

Content Advisory! Nudity advisory.

Sorry I forgot the nudity warning, It doesn't seems to possible to add that after you post it.

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  SamTherapy    ( ) ( posted at 8:07AM Sat, 30 April 2016  · @4267435

Crikey, that's goooood. Any chance of a Firefly version for us poor Pro 2012 users?

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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 8:51AM Sat, 30 April 2016  · @4267442

Ezskin2 also has soap as a special effect and works in poser pro 2012 and 2014 AFAIK.

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 9:32AM Thu, 05 May 2016  · @4268009

Bopper, Think you could write a step by step process for getting the soap on the figure.? I tried to do it with a figure like Dawn SE for which I'm making a shower


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 3:25PM Thu, 05 May 2016  · @4268071

Do you want it for Firefly or Superfly? I have a free day tomorrow, so I see what I can do.

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 9:01PM Thu, 05 May 2016  · @4268141

bopperthijs posted at 9:31PM Thu, 05 May 2016 - #4268071

Do you want it for Firefly or Superfly? I have a free day tomorrow, so I see what I can do.

Firefly. I don't have PP11 yet. It'll come in handy for this shower I'm making for Dawn. Thank you.


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 9:10PM Thu, 05 May 2016  · @4268143

I've made this soapy shader for a plugin for EZskin3 that i am making at the moment,this wil only work in poser11, but I can show you how to apply the soapy skin effect with EZskin2, if you want

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  EClark1894    ( ) ( posted at 11:32PM Thu, 05 May 2016  · @4268153

bopperthijs posted at 12:32AM Fri, 06 May 2016 - #4268143

I've made this soapy shader for a plugin for EZskin3 that i am making at the moment,this wil only work in poser11, but I can show you how to apply the soapy skin effect with EZskin2, if you want

That'll be fine as well.


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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 6:33PM Sat, 07 May 2016  · @4268404

Ok, I promised to show how to make a soapy skin for Dawn, with EZskin2, well here you go :Dawn.jpg

First I load Dawn, give some clothes and hair and a nice pose.

EZskinfront.JPG

Then I fire up EZskin2, as you see Dawn is shown as not supported, but there is a definition for here that you only have to load: goto file, and select figure defintions and select this file which is in the EZskin2 directory!

Figure_defs.JPG

Select Dawn or select all.

Select Figures.JPG

I just keep the default skin settings but you can change that if you want.

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  bopperthijs    ( ) ( posted at 6:44PM Sat, 07 May 2016 · edited on 6:45PM Sat, 07 May 2016 · @4268405

Next I go the Special FX Tab, there are no special effects loaded, so we first have to do that

Special Effects front.JPG

Click browse for the folder and navigate to the EZ-effects folder in the EZskin2 directory.

SE-folder.JPG

In the left column select the effect you want, and the right column , the skin parts that you want the effect to be applied to . I usually don't select the head, the face, the ears, don't forget the lips or she will look like a mad dog.

SE-settings.JPG

Finally press the 'Do it - convert all materials!' button and the EZskin with the effect will be applied and you are finished and ready to render:

Dawn -soapy.jpg

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  SamTherapy    ( ) ( posted at 12:05AM Tue, 10 May 2016  · @4268597

Dunno what I'm doing wrong but after following the above steps I get no effect at all. Dawn renders just as it was loaded.

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  SamTherapy    ( ) ( posted at 12:14AM Tue, 10 May 2016  · @4268599

Restarted Poser and it worked just dandy. Weird. Anyhow, thanks for the quick tute, Bopper.

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  bobbypants    ( ) ( posted at 4:32AM Fri, 04 August 2017  · @4311373

EventMobil posted at 10:31AM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4168390

And here is the shader as compound node, for PoserPro2014 (and up, hahaa...)

Would anyone happen to have this shader and make it available, it's another broken link victim : (


  EClark1849    ( ) ( posted at 9:20AM Fri, 04 August 2017 · edited on 9:21AM Fri, 04 August 2017 · @4311385

bobbypants posted at 9:19AM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4311373

EventMobil posted at 10:31AM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4168390

And here is the shader as compound node, for PoserPro2014 (and up, hahaa...)

Would anyone happen to have this shader and make it available, it's another broken link victim : (

For which version, Firefly or superfly? I think Bopper still has them. If I ever figure out how to get back into my email account I might still have them.


  bobbypants    ( ) ( posted at 9:42AM Fri, 04 August 2017  · @4311388

EClark1849 posted at 3:42PM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4311385

bobbypants posted at 9:19AM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4311373

EventMobil posted at 10:31AM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4168390

And here is the shader as compound node, for PoserPro2014 (and up, hahaa...)

Would anyone happen to have this shader and make it available, it's another broken link victim : (

For which version, Firefly or superfly? I think Bopper still has them. If I ever figure out how to get back into my email account I might still have them.

Thanks for the reply. I'm looking for the shader EventMobil uploaded here...

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2878577&page_number=2#msg4168390


  raven    ( ) ( posted at 1:29PM Fri, 04 August 2017  · @4311399

You can get it from the thread. I am using Firefox.

Step 01. Right click the broken image icon. Select 'View Image'

foam_01.jpg

Step 02. You should get the material file open as a text.

foam_02.jpg

Step 03. Select all, ctrl-c, open Notepad or equivalent and ctrl-v. Save the file as "Foam.mt5"

Step 04. Place the newly saved foam.mt5 into the materials library and then you can load it.

I did these steps myself to verify they worked. Hope that helps.



  EClark1849    ( ) ( posted at 10:28PM Fri, 04 August 2017  · @4311415

raven posted at 10:25PM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4311399

You can get it from the thread. I am using Firefox.

I was going to point that out, but as it happens I did finally get into my email account today and the shaders were there. If you still want them, sitemail me your email address and I'll send it to you, Bobbypants.


  bobbypants    ( ) ( posted at 12:45PM Sat, 05 August 2017  · @4311456

EClark1849 posted at 6:44PM Sat, 05 August 2017 - #4311415

raven posted at 10:25PM Fri, 04 August 2017 - #4311399

You can get it from the thread. I am using Firefox.

I was going to point that out, but as it happens I did finally get into my email account today and the shaders were there. If you still want them, sitemail me your email address and I'll send it to you, Bobbypants.

Thanks guys, I got it using ravens' tip! Didn't know you could do that. Thanks to both of you for your assistance.


  JAFO    ( ) ( posted at 5:54PM Wed, 27 September 2017 · edited on 6:04PM Wed, 27 September 2017 · @4315012

EventMobil posted at 6:42PM Wed, 27 September 2017 - #4166599

Any suggestions on the foam?

Probably some more SSS in it?

 The good thing with this shader is, if you bend the figure forward and down, and for example one arm enters the water surface, the shader will automatically remove the foam from all parts which are under water, remove the specularity from the skin the same way, so the artist does not need to care about such details.

The reason I bump this subject back to the top is that I have a question:

"the shader will automatically remove the foam from all parts which are under water" .I'm assuming that water is geometry and not some arbitrary height?

Could this not be used with displacement also? Like maybe having displacement over an entire figure or part and have it canceled out, tapered off or reversed in areas such as when a bra-strap, waste band or other geometry makes contact, simulated fat bulges maybe?.... Just wondering....


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