okay, Daz owns the copyright on the millenium figues, no arguements from anyone about that. legal distinctions, we can't give or sell their figures, no arguments yet. we can, legally sell or give away any item derived from thier figures, when such an item requires their figures for use. this is a derivative product, that does not compete with their product. can't give away the mt's from them, okay use morph manager to add mt's to an item. let the end user add said mt's if you don't have the daz figure, then the derivative item is of no use to you. characters, based on daz figures, instead of distributing the cr2 for the character, distribute a text file with morph dial settings listed in it. the end user has to actually set the dials themselves, again no violation of daz's copyrights. the "brokered" items on daz's site do not fall under daz copyright, they have thier own. if the uproar over the daz copyright iterpretation is accurate, then no more "brokered" items available on daz site, as these items violate the copyright. this whole issue was started because of people making competing human models derived from the millenium figures. we all know it happens, and agree it shouldn't. daz tried to clarify their interpretation of copyright to try to stop this last, maybe if they had been a bit more focussed on that aspect it would have saved a lot of grief. just one final note I can't even buy anything from daz, as thier .asp driven site won't give me access to the purchase page of the store, nor can I download the free stuff most of the time, same problem.