ummmm....ok don't be too harsh on me (please) since this is the first character I've really created properly Skaven are rat-people who live in a kind of feudal society beneath large cities and towns, scrounging for what they can steal, and attacking easy targets...but basically they are cowards unless in large numbers thanks to pdBlake, and especially bloodsong for pointing me towards the morphs to make the head with, the pants are from a boba fett model, whoever made it, it's really nice =) congrats and thanks! I've still got to make a fur bump map and I'd like to get a texture map working, but I'm not sure if I'm good enough. the head/neck are from a modified cat model which I exported/imported...is this the best way to do it? playing with the hiearchy editor would crash poser. Now I've gotta re-create all the morphs to move the head around, open the mouth etc. right? Also it would take two texture maps, one for the cat and another for the human nude male, so I guess that's not as good as it could be, but managable for me. The head gets a bit screwed up if you twist it, so the twisting has to be done to the neck, but I think that'll get fixed if I turn off bending when importing the head This was just a personal model but if anyone posts it I'll be happy to put it in funstuff if someone is willing to fix it up a bit, make it use one texturemap, or walk me through it so I can do that myself. criticisms/comments please SewerRat