Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Poser 13 Release

arrow1 opened this issue on Mar 23, 2023 · 89 posts


arrow1 posted Thu, 23 March 2023 at 3:27 PM

Is it being released this month March? Cheers

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,2 Terrabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 3060 12 Gig, Intel i9, Dual Dell Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terrabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terrabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,64 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GeForce 1660 Ti 6 Gig,1 Terrabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 10 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus Lenovo Laptop 64 Bit,12 gigs Ram.Intel i7 chip.Windows 10 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.22, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.


AmbientShade posted Thu, 23 March 2023 at 3:39 PM

according to this article on posersoftware.com it is next Thursday, March 30th.



EClark1894 posted Thu, 23 March 2023 at 7:46 PM

Okay, I read the article that AmbientShade linked to and it leaves me a little concerned. Granted, I don't used animation much, but  according to the article: This means each figure will have its own Walk Designer and Talk Designer libraries, meaning that every time you use either module on a Poser figure, you will get amazing results from start.

That got me wondering, what exactly constitutes a "Poser" figure in this day and age? Will the Walk or Talk Designer work on Hivewire figures? Or DAZ figures? Or Just figures that are included with Poser?




hornet3d posted Thu, 23 March 2023 at 8:46 PM

According to the latest Newsletter the Poser 13 launch is now set for Thursday 30th March.......can't wait.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


randym77 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 12:44 AM

Ugh. I hate the Purchases tab. I hate having to download content that way. It doesn't work well with multiple runtimes.


hornet3d posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 1:16 AM

randym77 posted at 12:44 AM Fri, 24 March 2023 - #4459415

Ugh. I hate the Purchases tab. I hate having to download content that way. It doesn't work well with multiple runtimes.


I tend to agree with you so I still download in the normal manner, the only thing I use the purchase tab for is scripts from Ken1171_Designs which need to be there to work, that said updates for scripts are a lot easier that way.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


A_Sunbeam posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 3:32 AM

I just hope I can get it to run ...


ThunderStone posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 6:22 AM

I'll wait til the "kicking tires " phases are over.


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vopehov506 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 7:14 AM

Yes, First get the Trial, Check what is new. According to posersoftware the main updates can't be seen by the users

While some of these changes are not really that visible, meaning you don’t see them as a completely new feature in Poser 13, they play a very prominent role under the hood, and that will make it easier for us to implement new features down the line.

So these might come in the years to come to really offer changes. My personal opinion is that I am not planning a Investment into a Update that has updates to make updates that are not jet released and that are not seen. So it is to see what worthful updates will come after this update to be able to update later on.

Till then will sit and wait hoping that the update is not a update to be able to update to Poser 14 :) The Trial will tell !




vopehov506 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 7:38 AM

EClark1894 posted at 7:46 PM Thu, 23 March 2023 - #4459387

Okay, I read the article that AmbientShade linked to and it leaves me a little concerned. Granted, I don't used animation much, but  according to the article: This means each figure will have its own Walk Designer and Talk Designer libraries, meaning that every time you use either module on a Poser figure, you will get amazing results from start.

That got me wondering, what exactly constitutes a "Poser" figure in this day and age? Will the Walk or Talk Designer work on Hivewire figures? Or DAZ figures? Or Just figures that are included with Poser?

They clearly mentioned " EACH FIGURE " meaning all will have ! Must be a AI Walk Talk Designer. " Hope it works for Mavka " She's Cute bringing her alive be sure cool. According to my CrossDresser 4 there are a minimum of 200 figures that could be worth having such features .... Boy,! not to mention all the Stampede figures, the Horse, the Dragon will soon be able to talk and walk , Yay ! Wonder how the Horse looks like when he talks. This might be a good reason to update.

vopehov506 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 8:57 AM

Ok, Talking horse might be

Exaggerated



Afrodite-Ohki posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 11:28 AM

vopehov506 posted at 8:57 AM Fri, 24 March 2023 - #4459449

Ok, Talking horse might be

Exaggerated


Well, in their defense, Maximus doesn't speak either xD

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vopehov506 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 1:30 PM

I Should try selling a high end " Wireless Cable " ! wonder how many would buy it .





Y-Phil posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 2:46 PM

Wireless cable?


PhYl.


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arrow1 posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 4:12 PM

Be interesting to see the upgrade cost! If allowed! Cheers

Custom built computer 128 gigs RAM,2 Terrabyte hard drive, NVIDIA RTX 3060 12 Gig, Intel i9, Dual Dell Screens, 0/S Windows 11, networked to a Special 12th Generation intel I9, RTX 3060 12 Gig, Windows 11,64 gigs RAM, Dual Phillips Screens, 2 Terrabyte SSD Hard Drive plus 1 Terrabyte Hard Drive,3rd Computer intel i7,64 gigs ram, Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GeForce 1660 Ti 6 Gig,1 Terrabyte Hard Drive, OS Windows 10 64 Bit Dual Samsung Syncmaster 226bw Screens.Plus Lenovo Laptop 64 Bit,12 gigs Ram.Intel i7 chip.Windows 10 Pro and Ultimate. 4 x 2 Terrabyte Hard Drives and 2 x 2 Terrabyte external USB Hard drives. All Posers from 4 to Poser 2010 and 2012, 2014. Poser 11 and 12, 13, Hexagon 2.5 64 Bit, Carrara 8.5 Pro 64 bit, Adobe Photoshop CS4 Creative Production Suite. Adobe Photoshop CC 2024, Vue 10 and 10.5 Infinite Vue 11 14.5 Infinite plus Vue 15 and 16 Infinite, Vue 2023 and 2024, Plant Catologue, DAZ Studio 4.22, iClone 7 with 3DXchange and Character Creator 3, Nikon D3 Camera with several lenses.  Nikon Z 6 ii and Z5. 180-600mm lens, 24-70 mm lens with adapter.Just added 2x 2 Terrabyte portable hard drives.


hborre posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 9:37 PM

Probably the same as upgrading from P11 to P12.


R_Hatch posted Fri, 24 March 2023 at 10:04 PM

Sorry, vopehov506, but your wireless cable appears too similar to my own patented WiFi in a Jar™. I must insist that you cease and desist.


EClark1894 posted Sat, 25 March 2023 at 3:58 PM

Quick question: can a walk designer map be created for any figure?

Also, five more days till P 13.




Richard60 posted Sat, 25 March 2023 at 4:18 PM

The base walk designer can be applied to any figure that resembles a normal human bi-ped.  Then you can add in the extra figure dependent additions.  Such as sneak, hip sway etc. but those are more dependent on the figure for which they were made.  Not to say you can't use on another figure it is just that the results may not be as good as with the correct figure.

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nerd posted Sun, 26 March 2023 at 7:42 PM Forum Moderator

A walk designer can be created for any biped. You need a basic walk and as many blend styles are you want to create. I'll do at least a white paper on creating walk designers and probably an actual tutorial. There are several pieces that need to be in the right place for it to work.

The big change for P13 is that each supported figure is kept separate from all the rest of the figures. That was holding back the variety of figures we could support. Mostly because all the figures had to use the same basic walk. Now every supported figure gets own base walk and blends.

Does this mean non-bipedal figures an work. Probably. I haven't had time to actually try but it seems like it would work.

And Talking horses. Well any figure that has the needed speech morphs can have a viseme map created and used in talk designer. So if somebody makes speech morphs for a horse then we can make a horse talk.


tim posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 9:50 AM Site Admin

Poser 13 Early Access Windows release still on track for Thursday, March 30th.  Early benchmarks showing GPU render times just under half that of Poser 12 for modest hardware specs.


hornet3d posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 9:54 AM

tim posted at 9:50 AM Mon, 27 March 2023 - #4459680

Poser 13 Early Access Windows release still on track for Thursday, March 30th.  Early benchmarks showing GPU render times just under half that of Poser 12 for modest hardware specs.

That is good news on both fronts.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


Y-Phil posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 10:20 AM

tim posted at 9:50 AM Mon, 27 March 2023 - #4459680

Poser 13 Early Access Windows release still on track for Thursday, March 30th.  Early benchmarks showing GPU render times just under half that of Poser 12 for modest hardware specs.

Wow.... Awesome 

PhYl.


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Rhia474 posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 10:25 AM Online Now!

That sounds great. Can hardware specs for 'modest' be shared by chance?


EClark1894 posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 6:16 PM

nerd posted at 7:42 PM Sun, 26 March 2023 - #4459658

A walk designer can be created for any biped. You need a basic walk and as many blend styles are you want to create. I'll do at least a white paper on creating walk designers and probably an actual tutorial. There are several pieces that need to be in the right place for it to work.

The big change for P13 is that each supported figure is kept separate from all the rest of the figures. That was holding back the variety of figures we could support. Mostly because all the figures had to use the same basic walk. Now every supported figure gets own base walk and blends.

I certainly hope you'll do the tutorial Nerd.





AmbientShade posted Mon, 27 March 2023 at 9:40 PM

nerd posted at 7:42 PM Sun, 26 March 2023 - #4459658

A walk designer can be created for any biped. You need a basic walk and as many blend styles are you want to create. I'll do at least a white paper on creating walk designers and probably an actual tutorial. There are several pieces that need to be in the right place for it to work.

The big change for P13 is that each supported figure is kept separate from all the rest of the figures. That was holding back the variety of figures we could support. Mostly because all the figures had to use the same basic walk. Now every supported figure gets own base walk and blends.

Does this mean non-bipedal figures an work. Probably. I haven't had time to actually try but it seems like it would work.


Does this mean that Poser figures no longer require a default T-pose to work correctly?

Way back in P9/2012 one of the devs said that the T-pose was required in order to work properly with walk designer, and that was essentially the only reason Poser figures were still built that way (since 99% of all other apps abandoned the T-pose for a more natural A-pose long ago).



EClark1894 posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 6:33 AM

AmbientShade posted at 9:40 PM Mon, 27 March 2023 - #4459741

nerd posted at 7:42 PM Sun, 26 March 2023 - #4459658

A walk designer can be created for any biped. You need a basic walk and as many blend styles are you want to create. I'll do at least a white paper on creating walk designers and probably an actual tutorial. There are several pieces that need to be in the right place for it to work.

The big change for P13 is that each supported figure is kept separate from all the rest of the figures. That was holding back the variety of figures we could support. Mostly because all the figures had to use the same basic walk. Now every supported figure gets own base walk and blends.

Does this mean non-bipedal figures an work. Probably. I haven't had time to actually try but it seems like it would work.


Does this mean that Poser figures no longer require a default T-pose to work correctly?

Way back in P9/2012 one of the devs said that the T-pose was required in order to work properly with walk designer, and that was essentially the only reason Poser figures were still built that way (since 99% of all other apps abandoned the T-pose for a more natural A-pose long ago).

You know that argument never made any sense to me anyway. Only the object file had to be in a T pose and that was for the way the clothes draped. But you don't use the object file in the Walk Designer.




vopehov506 posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 2:59 PM

To be honest ( Jokes aside ) my personal opinion would of been pushing poser a little into a direction where the market is growing, rather then separating it self even more. Would be a real nightmare if truespace starts to get more popular then poser again ( Don't you think )  I mean, these announced updates will sure not bring back creators, in contrary, they keep on leaving Poser. It is sure to appreciate what the team is willing to do for poser but if I read that artists like DreamlandModels are preparing to leave Poser support there is something going terribly wrong.

https://www.renderosity.com/forums/threads/2930350/movie-setscity-block-set-products-to-be-reworked-for-daz

I am not a great fan of Daz Studio and would prefer to see Poser grow again a little, also for my own sake!  The way all is leading now seems to be hopeless and often I think my self if I should start modeling for DS rather then for Poser. 

Renderosity is making the most profit on selling Products and the way it looks DS is the major income, I have no Idea if Renderosity could survive with just Poser, I sure doubt it. Would this new owner of poser concentrate a little more on the real marketing interests then it might have a chance to get popular again. Lets say that it might be after some little thoughts considering a cross-compatibility with DS, This might prevent loosing the last Creators, Removing this tracking call home activation system, as we know SM lost already allot of poser enthusiasts just due this system in the past, one should be able to learn about mistakes others have done and not making them worse. 

Poser creations are not shared on pirate sites anymore, probably most other poser creators experience the same atm, sure is a positive aspect, but considering that there are no sales how could this happen anyway, so there is no interest anymore along the whole road. 

I am not sure how you feel if you are a creator for Poser, personally I feel really bad about it and loosing all motivation that is left the way it is going right now. I hope that Poser Software will not only realize the issue when it will be to late, if it is not already. The few in here are sure not going to be the reason for Poser to survive in this market and Renderosity is probably one of the last marketplaces who offers new Poser models others took down there section or closed there sites, some still alive but stopped productions.

I believe that just little things would bring up poser back to live but sure not the way it is done atm. I feel sorry that I can't afford my self investing into these poser releases, not the way it is going atm.  Many friends I made in 3D that started with Poser left meanwhile either to DS, Blender, some even just quit. Most of them probably think that I am stuck in Poser not willing to invest my creativity into something more popular ( There probably right ) Might be a little lazy trying something else, or just tired. 

I just wonder, How great can poser become without enthusiastic creators. Mimic already was releases over a decade ago and these talking models were not the reason for popularity.

Sorry if I give the Impression to rant, It just made me feel really bad after reading the Dreamland model thread !   


AmbientShade posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 3:51 PM

vopehov506 posted at 2:59 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459807


Sorry if I give the Impression to rant, It just made me feel really bad after reading the Dreamland model thread !   

Just for perspective, that thread is over 4 years old (January 2019). Poser has had 2 version updates since then, 12 and now 13.

Poser will always be a smaller market than DS purely because DS and its base models are free.

I have said in the past that Poser should bring back Debut and offer it for free. That way people are not saddled with an entry fee just to be able to pose and render the content they purchase. That would give it a much more competitive advantage to other apps like Blender and DS that have a much broader audience at zero upfront cost. There can be other features that are restricted to the premium version if you want to go that route but since most users do not seem interested in the content creation tools why should they be forced to pay for them? Give them a free stage to play with the content they buy and make the premium version more robust for content creators to build and market their content to their audience. Rosity is after all a content broker first. If they don't like the idea of just giving away Debut, then they could include it as a perk of the Prime membership.

Just my opinions.



JimTS posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 4:34 PM

Y-Phil posted at 2:46 PM Fri, 24 March 2023 - #4459479

Wireless cable?


Sounds a lot like Carrot Top's Phoneless cord Joke

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vopehov506 posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 5:09 PM

AmbientShade posted at 3:51 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459809

vopehov506 posted at 2:59 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459807


Sorry if I give the Impression to rant, It just made me feel really bad after reading the Dreamland model thread !   

Just for perspective, that thread is over 4 years old (January 2019). 
Should check the Thread date before getting exited


Guess I'll take a break and see what will happen ....



hborre posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 5:10 PM

AmbientShade posted at 3:51 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459809

vopehov506 posted at 2:59 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459807


Sorry if I give the Impression to rant, It just made me feel really bad after reading the Dreamland model thread !   

Just for perspective, that thread is over 4 years old (January 2019). Poser has had 2 version updates since then, 12 and now 13.

Poser will always be a smaller market than DS purely because DS and its base models are free.

I have said in the past that Poser should bring back Debut and offer it for free. That way people are not saddled with an entry fee just to be able to pose and render the content they purchase. That would give it a much more competitive advantage to other apps like Blender and DS that have a much broader audience at zero upfront cost. There can be other features that are restricted to the premium version if you want to go that route but since most users do not seem interested in the content creation tools why should they be forced to pay for them? Give them a free stage to play with the content they buy and make the premium version more robust for content creators to build and market their content to their audience. Rosity is after all a content broker first. If they don't like the idea of just giving away Debut, then they could include it as a perk of the Prime membership.

Just my opinions.

Poser Debut has been offered for free once before, but, to be perfectly honest, that interface needs to be totally revamped to draw the attention of new users.

EClark1894 posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 6:58 PM

Honestly, the idea of Poser Debut, in and of itself, made no sense to me either. If I recall, Debut was somewhat crippled, and to do anything meaniful you had to buy a full version anyway.




AmbientShade posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 7:48 PM

I don't recall it ever being free. Lowest I can remember was around $25 to $50.

Clearly it would be a stripped down version of the full current Poser, (which is what debut started out as), with the same UI consisting primarily of a pose room, library and render engine for users to use the content they purchase.

Anyway, like I said it's just my opinion.

Hard to compete when the competition is free.




EClark1894 posted Tue, 28 March 2023 at 9:15 PM

AmbientShade posted at 7:48 PM Tue, 28 March 2023 - #4459830

I don't recall it ever being free. Lowest I can remember was around $25 to $50.

Clearly it would be a stripped down version of the full current Poser, (which is what debut started out as), with the same UI consisting primarily of a pose room, library and render engine for users to use the content they purchase.

Anyway, like I said it's just my opinion.

Hard to compete when the competition is free.


Granted, and you'll get no argument from me, but Debut would still seem to be something of a waste of time as you would still have to pay SOMETHING and get a crippled version, while DS is free. At this point I still maintain that Poser's  salvation lies in putting out a better product and Renderosity pushing it's own figures and props AS HARD AS or at least EQUAL to DAZ's own products.




RedPhantom posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 8:12 AM Site Admin

I know I had Debut for a while and I would have never paid for it since I had the full version. But I can't remember if it was free or a demo. Something in the back of my mind says that it was paid for a time but then was made free. I could be wrong though.


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hborre posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 8:19 AM

It was free for a time.  That's how I obtained a copy.


hornet3d posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 9:56 AM

I have been using Poser for 20 plus years with almost all the updates along the way and that includes Game Dev.  Each new update will appeal, or not, dependant on what is new and how each artist uses it.  Big changes for me have been the introduction of Sub Surface Scattering and Superfly while Poser 12 allowed me to use my CPU to render and cut render times but equally gave me the opportunity to create more complex scenes.  If Poser 13 further increases render speeds I can again increase the complexity of the scenes.

In the old days I used to have to run Poser overnight even for a relatively basic render, these days I can render fairly complex scenes in Superfly in 30 minutes.  With progress like that I am not about to complain about Poser or miss the possibility to upgrade to Poser 13 at the earliest opportunity.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


vopehov506 posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 5:49 PM

Am I the only one that is missing the Action here, The excitement, No euphoria ? Where is that 

or are we just getting to old for it



AmbientShade posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 6:34 PM

vopehov506 posted at 5:49 PM Wed, 29 March 2023 - #4459895

Am I the only one that is missing the Action here, The excitement, No euphoria ? Where is that 


or are we just getting to old for it


They haven't exactly been very vocal about its release.

I've yet to see it mentioned in any of the email marketing they send out multiple times a day.

Granted I don't look at all of them but I do at least glance through most of them, and it's mostly just adverts for new genesis content.

You have to go to the posersoftware site to get any actual info on Poser 13.

I've never seen a software update with this little marketing before.

It's almost as if they don't want anyone to notice.





jimros posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 6:58 PM

For me excitement is generated by new content expectation,

Hopefully P13 will include something to get exited about,and which Renderosity

will support.


EClark1894 posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 8:32 PM

As long as we're skipping down memory lane, I remember when DAZ actually gave away a few of their figures, like Aiko, in a magazine, like Computer 3D. I don't know if Computer 3D even exists anymore, but the idea is still sound. You don't want to give Poser away for free, fine, make the figures free instead. But you have to promote the heck out of it.




Richard60 posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 9:11 PM

As I see it given the small teams doing the remodel on the Renderoisty Web Site and building the new version of Poser they are working on making the overall experience a lot better.  Once the foundation is in place then would be the time to advertise.  Just the redesign of the website has made it a lot nicer to visit.  I no longer have to wait 10-15 seconds to see the previews of products.  And given the improvements in Poser that should also make it lot nicer to use.  I am sure there are a lot of people who are just going to complain no matter what, but there is nothing you can do about that.  I know I am finding it hard to wait for Poser 13 to launch.

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hornet3d posted Wed, 29 March 2023 at 11:42 PM

Richard60 posted at 9:11 PM Wed, 29 March 2023 - #4459912

As I see it given the small teams doing the remodel on the Renderoisty Web Site and building the new version of Poser they are working on making the overall experience a lot better.  Once the foundation is in place then would be the time to advertise.  Just the redesign of the website has made it a lot nicer to visit.  I no longer have to wait 10-15 seconds to see the previews of products.  And given the improvements in Poser that should also make it lot nicer to use.  I am sure there are a lot of people who are just going to complain no matter what, but there is nothing you can do about that.  I know I am finding it hard to wait for Poser 13 to launch.

A new update is always a two edged sword for me as I am always excited about getting my hands on the new software but worried about getting it downloaded and installed.  Hopefully, as Rendo are well equipped for supplying the vast amounts of data required for a marketplace, and the fact that the Poser 13 install is meant to be a lot cleaner, download and installation should not be an issue.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 4:06 AM

If so, they might come up with a big " Surprise "

Getting you all exited making a good investment




Y-Phil posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 4:10 AM

vopehov506 posted at 4:06 AM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4459931

If so, they might come up with a big " Surprise "


Getting you all exited making a good investment

Look behind on the right... There's a blonde, probably of daz, insisting on saying "No way!" 

PhYl.


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yarp posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 4:15 AM

Today is the day. I am eager to see the rendering with the new lightning.

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wfbp1w posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 9:21 AM

it's in the store !

and the Forum is online too :)


emjay247 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 9:26 AM

EClark1894 posted at 8:32 PM Wed, 29 March 2023 - #4459908

As long as we're skipping down memory lane, I remember when DAZ actually gave away a few of their figures, like Aiko, in a magazine, like Computer 3D. I don't know if Computer 3D even exists anymore, but the idea is still sound. You don't want to give Poser away for free, fine, make the figures free instead. But you have to promote the heck out of it.

Or rebrand Poser 11 as Poser Debut and then use it to market the Poser eco-system and Renderosity store?

dvnmedia posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:19 AM

I can't believe there's no upgrade path from Poser 11 other than full price. Like many the jump from 11 to 12 wasn't that spectacular so I held out for 13 only to find I'd have to pay full price at a time when many people are struggling financially, I think this is not a good move. I better get Daz Studio back out and start to learn it again.


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:25 AM

Just like they said ( Files are getting smaller ) No wonder if Poser 11 - 13 share all the same content, saves you allot of redownloading of assets. I am not sure but it seems that the content of Poser 13 is exactly the same as the one from Poser 12. The read me file is also telling the same ... P13 download area have the same downloads as P12 

https://live.cdn.renderosity.com/marketplace/products/159005/ReadMe_1da2deb344e62bfca0d4160fc705e0a2.txt

Wonder where that new announced startup doll ended up ! searched everywhere but could not find any new Info

So better wait before running that Trial until they make it final, not to get a timeout before the good stuff gets built in. ( Still talking about LaFemme )

It also seems that all the Included content can only be accessed through the Poser interface. unless like mentioned it is still the same as in P12

 


Yandex1969 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:28 AM

I've been learning AI as Studio 5 is becoming vapourware and Poser (as just demonstrated) is still we-don't-know-what-to-do-ware.  250 bucks for a Kai's Power Goo interface, legendary instability, and content that came from the Poser 4 days?  No thanks!  You burned me with Poser 11.  It never ran more than a half hour without crashing and all you did was make excuses. 

And don't get cocky Daz, Studio has become a mish-mash of ancient code that hardly works anymore.  Blender and AI....here I come!


DCArt posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:31 AM

The Poser 13 content is downloaded from the Poser library ... Purchases, then click the Included tab. 



vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:43 AM

Guess I'll be waiting

FOR



Richard60 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 10:54 AM

As they have said the Program download only contents the program and a minimum amount of content required to get Poser 13 up and running.  If you already have content from a prior version you don't have to download it again if you don't want.  however, they have updated a lot of the content to have Super Fly materials.  Anything that starts with P13,such as the Hivewire figures.  So if all you need is the program it is now about 448MB instead of the 1.6GB that poser 12 was.  

The one thing I like about the new program is how fast it is when rendering.  I can now get a decent preview render in about 15 seconds using a GTX1080 video card.  That card wouldn't even run OptiX under Poser 12 and now it is the fastest renderer for Poser 13.

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vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 11:39 AM

I usually make my final renders for promotion in 10 - 30 sec using Poser 11 at a size of 4000 + never liked the superfly engine, especially when it is for commercially used renders. Superfly would just slow down production no matter how fast it might be.


Dave-So posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 11:58 AM

I was hoping for a Poser 11 upgrade path as well. Nothing. Its still cheaper to buy upgrade to 12, then 13, but that just sounds like crazy way to do it. I can understand they might feel money lost by allowing upgrade path for older versions, but it will be more money lost. E=on did the same with Vue, and I left. Yeah , 1 guy, but how many more? At least Poser isn't subscription. 

Was seriously hoping to bail out of the DS trap and get back to my roots, Poser, but I'm not seeing that happen. To much invested in DS and what appears to not be much of a stretch in achievement to Poser 13.  

Is there a content list someplace?  

It would surely be cool for some new content too, but from what I've read this is an early release and there are still pieces that are not complete. 

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Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854



Dave-So posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 11:59 AM

and I'm not seeing the excitement of the old days, at all

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together.
All things connect......Chief Seattle, 1854



vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 12:49 PM

Well I am still totally exited

About the incoming Poser Drama



weiesnbach posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 12:50 PM

No upgrade from  11? I'm going to be flat out as blunt as I possibly can--I skipped 12 because I could use Blender to accomplish most of what 12 offered in conjunction with 11--I still run 11, and I'm not about to pay a full price for 13 when I can use Blender for free, and I can. 

 At this point it would be simpler for me to  just move my entire workflow to Blender than to pay $250 for something that isn't even close to the capability of what a free alternative offers. I don't know if you guy realize it or not, but you're shooting yourself in the foot here. The only reason I keep Poser around is the simplicity of the toon renders(literally that's the only render engine I use)--and in case you missed the memo your two largest competitors(DS and Blender) are both completely free.  

Don't get me wrong, I love Poser, long time user, but it's no longer worth the asking price--not to downgrade anyone involved with its production, but look around you--there's now a limited amount of high quality models that are compatible, and those models have very limited clothing/accessories, and if I'm going to have to jump over to Blender to  create clothing and accessories, I might as well just stay in Blender and save myself the return trip. 
 


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 1:36 PM

It just makes me remember the Lucky-Bags in the 70's as kids we just loved them and could not wait getting some little cash on the weekends to get one of these. They had a cone form ( Cone Paper bags ) full of surprises and candy ! 

This release of Poser 13 just gave me a happy backflash. Good marketing strategy, Improvements that you can't see as there for later upgrades, content that you will find out what they are after you purchase and open that Lucky Bag. Walking and talking Models that you will see once you made your investments. 

Well that sure is Funny and I am amusing my self big time, for sure ! I just hope not to loose more clients that use poser in the near future.


randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 1:38 PM

So, what's the new figure? Is there one?


tim posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 1:40 PM Site Admin

@vopehov506 We have updated the Downloads page at https://www.posersoftware.com/downloads to allow content downloads for each supported version of Poser via web browser.  Thanks for the heads-up.


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:01 PM

tim posted at 1:40 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460018

@vopehov506 We have updated the Downloads page at https://www.posersoftware.com/downloads to allow content downloads for each supported version of Poser via web browser.  Thanks for the heads-up.

 Well that is great once you can access the Poser 13 products, right now they seem to be the old versions from Poser 12  but I guess you will manage to fix it quiet soon. No-one could expect that all works perfectly the first day.

Content is still dated from 2020 - 2021 and is for  Poser 12


Rhia474 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:07 PM Online Now!

Hmm. If i understand it correctly the new content is available from the in program tab instead of separate download.


randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:08 PM

So...anyone know if there's any new content, compared to Poser 12?

Not complaining, just want to avoid downloading and installing everything, if it's already installed.


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:14 PM

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  


Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:24 PM

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 



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Rhia474 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:26 PM Online Now!

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

From the release press notes/ email:

We are happy to report that an exciting new figure is in the works for Poser 13 and will arrive soon with delivery accelerated by the new content creator tools.  Watch the PoserSoftware newsletter in coming weeks for related announcements.  


hornet3d posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:28 PM

Ken1171_Designs posted at 2:24 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460040

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

Thank you for the tip.  As an aside the first thing I did was install all of the scripts I have of yours, quite painless and they all launch so it looks good.  i will check them out when I have some content to work with.

 

 

I use Poser 13 on Windows 11 - For Scene set up I use a Geekcom A5 -  Ryzen 9 5900HX, with 64 gig ram and 3 TB  storage, mini PC with final rendering done on normal sized desktop using an AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .   The desktop is in a remote location with rendering done via Queue Manager which gives me a clearer desktop and quieter computer room.


Rhia474 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:34 PM Online Now!

Oh great, if Ken's scripts launch, I am in. It's that simple !


Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:35 PM

hornet3d posted at 2:28 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460045

Thank you for the tip.  As an aside the first thing I did was install all of the scripts I have of yours, quite painless and they all launch so it looks good.  i will check them out when I have some content to work with.
Some of my scripts will need an update to accommodate the changes in P13, like there were plenty of changes on the Cycles materials nodes, and some other changes. This directly affects the "MAT Edit" script, since the Physical Surface shader root node has been changed. I already have a new version that handles it, but I couldn't release it until P13 was out, which has just happened today. I will sent it out to the store, which Rendo may take some time to update it (I cannot do it myself).

Due to the extensive changes in P13, it's hard to tell if it may break other scripts I made for P12. This will be an adaptation period, so please let me know if you find anything that breaks my scripts in P13. :)



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Rhia474 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:38 PM Online Now!

Your Make Physical script is an absolute game changer for material room for idiots like me to convert old textures. It should be IN the program imo, but at least this way you get compensated accordingly. :)


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:39 PM

Ken1171_Designs posted at 2:24 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460040

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

Tuff for the ones that have an organized external runtime finding all the files to be removed, I mean allot have single runtimes with all the stuff they like and they sure are not small. Meaning you need to create a new separate runtime and hope that some of the double files are not accessed through the main external you also have loaded

randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:42 PM

Ken1171_Designs posted at 2:24 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460040

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

I wouldn't be installing it in the same folders. I use multiple runtimes, including different runtimes for the included content for each version of Poser. Hopefully that will be okay, because I don't want to delete any of my old runtimes.

And thanks for the news about the new figure. I was wondering if Andy was it. :-D


Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:51 PM

vopehov506 posted at 2:39 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460054

Tuff for the ones that have an organized external runtime finding all the files to be removed, I mean allot have single runtimes with all the stuff they like and they sure are not small. Meaning you need to create a new separate runtime and hope that some of the double files are not accessed through the main external you also have loaded
Every Poser installation (since P12) now installs the included contents in a separate "Included" runtime, so if you just use the default settings, I assume it will keep the new and old bundled contents separated into their own runtime folders. They would only merge if we manually tell it to do so by changing the content installation folder. The same is valid for any contents you install directly from the embedded store. By default, it will use the P13 "Purchases" runtime, which is not the same location as you have in P12. 

One easy way to have them both available in P13 WITHOUT merging is to simply add your P12 runtime as an external runtime in P13. This way you can keep both without making a mess. :)



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Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:55 PM

randym77 posted at 2:42 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460058

I wouldn't be installing it in the same folders. I use multiple runtimes, including different runtimes for the included content for each version of Poser. Hopefully that will be okay, because I don't want to delete any of my old runtimes.

And thanks for the news about the new figure. I was wondering if Andy was it. :-D

Poser will keep each installation contents separate, unless we manually change the locations during installation, which in this case, I don't recommend. Since P12, Poser will install its bundled contents into P12's own "Included" runtime, and it's the same in P13, which has its own "Included" runtime location. Now we only mix or merge runtimes if we want to. ^___^



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Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 2:58 PM

Rhia474 posted at 2:38 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460052

Your Make Physical script is an absolute game changer for material room for idiots like me to convert old textures. It should be IN the program imo, but at least this way you get compensated accordingly. :)

Thanks for the feedback! I made the "Go Physical" script to automate what uses to be a very TEDIOUS and repetitive process, skipping straight to the FUN part, which is editing it. ^^



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Rhia474 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 3:14 PM Online Now!

My metals never looked this good! I am eager to see what P13 can do with your script and increased render speed for Superfly, not earlier than thus weekend though. Real life is interesting this week with kiddo in 8th grade and having college prep intro already.


randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 4:33 PM

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?

Ken1171_Designs posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 4:50 PM

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100
vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?
I was looking on the other thread, they posted a render of Dawn with native Cycles materials that come with the P13 bundled contents. It's using native Cycles Principled BDSF, so it's definitely NOT the same as in P11 and 12. It has been definitely upgraded to Cycles materials. 



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randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 5:14 PM

Ken1171_Designs posted at 4:50 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460107

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100
vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?
I was looking on the other thread, they posted a render of Dawn with native Cycles materials that come with the P13 bundled contents. It's using native Cycles Principled BDSF, so it's definitely NOT the same as in P11 and 12. It has been definitely upgraded to Cycles materials. 
I think the zips on the Poser 13 content download page are different from the content downloaded through the Purchases tab.

The Poser 13 content page is identical to the Poser 12 page, including the title (which is Poser 12, even though the URL reads Poser 13).

The file sizes are different, too. The Dawn file on the Poser 13 content web page is
371.9 MB while the Purchases tab says it's 384.7 MB.


vopehov506 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 5:28 PM

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?
I just checked the content zip files from Poser software place by manual download and the poser 13 versions are definitive the same as the ones from poser 12 no new files found there, no new structures.



DCArt posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 5:41 PM

vopehov506 posted at 5:28 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460121

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?
I just checked the content zip files from Poser software place by manual download and the poser 13 versions are definitive the same as the ones from poser 12 no new files found there, no new structures.


Bondware has been notified.

These are the CORRECT zip files when you look in the Included tab. Bondware has been notified that the wrong files are showing up on PoserSoftware.com





DCArt posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 6:29 PM

OK P13 files should be fixed now on PoserSuftware.com



enigma-man posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 6:39 PM

I'm going back to Poser 4 ProPack...


EVargas posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 7:49 PM

DCArt posted at 6:29 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460137

OK P13 files should be fixed now on PoserSuftware.com

I can confirm this, I did download some minutes ago, from PoserSoftware, it matches your screenshots, 29 zip files.

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randym77 posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 8:27 PM

Thanks! Looks good now.


EVargas posted Thu, 30 March 2023 at 8:48 PM

Guys, just sharing some quick tip from my own experience/mistakes:

P13 open here, this was the first thing I missed from my previous setup: I suggest everyone that the first thing you do is go through all the main tabs (pose/material/hair/cloth/fitting) and mark at least 1 UI dot (lower left corner). This stores the position of the interface windows, and allows restoring in case you accidentally move something.



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