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Subject: Realistic hands and ears for La Femme


Sunfire ( ) posted Tue, 26 April 2022 at 5:41 PM · edited Sat, 21 May 2022 at 11:21 PM
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The more I do promos for my products that I make for La Femme, the more I notice the palms and inside of her fingers are too smooth and flat. I've also noticed that her ears look equally unrealistic.

So now I'm here asking, has anyone made textures/bump maps for La Femme that could well fix these issues?

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Rhia474 ( ) posted Tue, 26 April 2022 at 8:56 PM
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So just for giggles, I made a few test renders of some textures I thought did a great job under P12 circumstances and...wow. You are right. While they do a good job with the hand maps, the *palm* maps are...I don't really know if it's the mesh or the textures but...even the ones I thought did a good job didn't fare well with those specifics.

And I never liked her ears and am not sure you can fix those with maps. It may be something with the mesh. My LFs are always subd'd by 2, and the ears are just not convincing as ears.

Anyone else? I'd post renders but am a bit ashamed just how not good-looking those palms and ears are. I'd love to see some good palm maps and ear morphs rendered in P12.

I'll try some different setups.


AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 1:02 AM · edited Wed, 27 April 2022 at 1:02 AM

Is this better?


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AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 1:09 AM · edited Wed, 27 April 2022 at 1:09 AM

from front

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AmbientShade ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 2:33 AM · edited Wed, 27 April 2022 at 2:37 AM

First pass on hands:

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(default shape for comparison)
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Hands will be a bit trickier to get right due to rigging, not sure if match centers will work on them but I'll try it and see. Will probably require a couple jcms to get wrist to bend better too.
(edited to resize images cause forum options didn't take)

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Sunfire ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 11:53 AM
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With the hands it's not so much the bending, though I do like what you are doing, it's the lack of texture to the skin in most cases. It's like people forget to do decent bumps or normals for her hands so even if they've drawn in the lines they're still flatter than a sheet of paper.

The ears are looking better, less android, more humanoid looking.

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Rhia474 ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 12:15 PM
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@Sunfire, What got me while I test rendered some packages was exactly that. Extremely detailed maps for the hand, and flatness snd nothing but color on the palm. A few ethnic textures had good texture maps for the inside of the palm with the lines, but even there the inside skin of the fingers was just... flat and smooth. Almost  like they were just forgotten.


Sunfire ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 12:39 PM
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@Rhia474 Yeah, I'm not surprised on the lack of fingerprints, but the joints and palm...

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Rhia474 ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 6:50 PM · edited Wed, 27 April 2022 at 6:50 PM
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Okay, this is not as bad as I thought, albeit it's still quite flat jarring.
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Or this:
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But still, look at the details the face and the outside hand skin has and how shard the dividing line is...something a real hand would not display unless it's skingrafted or something.

I hope content creators can chime in here.


Sunfire ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 8:32 PM
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If you're in 12, anti-aliasing might thin things out. It does like to do that.

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Rhia474 ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 8:44 PM
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I render in Superfly.


jartz ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 8:57 PM

In fear of being bashed, I thought I chime in.  It does look skeletal (not natural) out of the box, and I had to thicken it myself with morphs.  The hands takes me out of the figure in itself.  The ears are okay to me.

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Sunfire ( ) posted Wed, 27 April 2022 at 9:05 PM
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Rhia474 posted at 8:44 PM Wed, 27 April 2022 - #4437826

I render in Superfly.

Yes, and in Poser 12 you can use anti-aliasing, part of the software now, to further clean up the image after render and before you save it. It will wash out fine details like "sparkles" though had you been using it, it should have smoothed her face too.


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parkdalegardener ( ) posted Thu, 28 April 2022 at 4:28 AM

Afrodite-Ohki has detail ears for LaFemme in the Freestuff here.



Rhia474 ( ) posted Thu, 28 April 2022 at 7:05 AM
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No, I don't use anti aliasing. To be honest I don't even know where to set it, I use the postFX settings only on occasion--the denoising smoothes out too much. And yes, it would have shown on all parts of the body, not just the palm.

For the ears there are several morphs and there is a HD ear morph that works well. The freestuff ear details work well too. I'm more surprised by the lack of palm details, though it seems not many other people are...


Sunfire ( ) posted Thu, 28 April 2022 at 1:03 PM
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I don't know why I call it anti-aliasing, since I meant the denoising in the postFX settings. *headdesk* 

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Rhia474 ( ) posted Thu, 28 April 2022 at 5:17 PM
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Yeah, I got you, no worries. I don't much care for the feature for portraits since it makes everything smooth like a doll, but I suppose it's down to personal preferences. Your post is important as it calls attention to a detail many overlook.


Sunfire ( ) posted Thu, 28 April 2022 at 5:48 PM
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I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

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Y-Phil ( ) posted Fri, 29 April 2022 at 1:21 AM

If I remember correctly, the PostFX denoising thingie should have a controllable intensity in a future update

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 29 April 2022 at 9:16 AM
Sunfire posted at 5:48 PM Thu, 28 April 2022 - #4437864

I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

By the mention of 'sparkles', are you actually referring to fireflies in the render?  Those are products of lighting most of the time especially if you are using HDRI illumination.  It is most apparent in lo-res HDR.  The best way to deal with those is to increase your number of pixels or change the HDR for a hi-res image.


VedaDalsette ( ) posted Fri, 29 April 2022 at 12:16 PM
Y-Phil posted at 1:21 AM Fri, 29 April 2022 - #4437870

If I remember correctly, the PostFX denoising thingie should have a controllable intensity in a future update

Whoa! I love this!



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Sunfire ( ) posted Fri, 29 April 2022 at 1:02 PM
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hborre posted at 9:16 AM Fri, 29 April 2022 - #4437877
Sunfire posted at 5:48 PM Thu, 28 April 2022 - #4437864

I sometimes do promo images without it, especially if I want the "sparkles" and impurities. Sparkle doesn't work in SF very well and even less when you denoise the image. LOL.

By the mention of 'sparkles', are you actually referring to fireflies in the render?  Those are products of lighting most of the time especially if you are using HDRI illumination.  It is most apparent in lo-res HDR.  The best way to deal with those is to increase your number of pixels or change the HDR for a hi-res image.
Nope by "sparklies" I mean the glitter, shimmer, and sparkle some clothing or textures have.

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ghostship2 ( ) posted Mon, 02 May 2022 at 1:30 AM

The larger the render, the more effective the de-noisier will be

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Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Wed, 04 May 2022 at 8:18 AM

For the ears, here: https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/83156/detail-ears-morph-for-la-femme


It's a merchant resource, include it merged with your morphs for redistribution, have fun.


For her hands I keep trying to retouch them but I'm never too pleased. Might make a product on it.

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Sunfire ( ) posted Wed, 04 May 2022 at 12:41 PM
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Thanks Ohki! I will say you have some of the best hands in your characters for La Femme.

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Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Wed, 04 May 2022 at 3:56 PM
Sunfire posted at 12:41 PM Wed, 4 May 2022 - #4438121

Thanks Ohki! I will say you have some of the best hands in your characters for La Femme.

Thank you! I'm trying~~

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