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Subject: Why Don't Nodes Stay Where I Put Them in the Material Room?


Iuvenis_Scriptor ( ) posted Fri, 10 December 2021 at 1:15 PM · edited Wed, 19 January 2022 at 1:14 PM

This has been a problem for years, but as I'm trying to perfect a very complex shader, I've had just about enough!  Why does Poser like to randomly move nodes around?  I polish off a material, work on something else, and when I return to that material, at least one node (usually the one I was last working with) has jumped a ridiculous distance away from all the others (and from where I left it).  And within a compound node, plugging in or unplugging an external input or output causes the input or output node to shoot off into left field too!  Seriously, developers, if you're listening, unless I'm doing something wrong or there's some setting that I'm not aware of, the RNM (Random Node Movement) has got to stop!  I just went back to a material I've been working on, and Poser has randomly decided to line up all the nodes along a vertical line, making it very difficult to see the flow of how my shader works!  I lose alot of time just repeatedly dragging and scrolling to bring a distant straggler back into reasonable proximity to other nodes!


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Fri, 10 December 2021 at 2:21 PM

Long-lasting bug, I think. :( Likely not high on the priority list as it's far from being a showstopper bug.

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Miss B ( ) posted Fri, 10 December 2021 at 4:22 PM

I don't know why it happens, but the one free script that has saved my sanity on many an occssion is one of Structure's goodies.

Check it out, as I'm sure you'll find it handy, as there are several options --  Structure's Node Tidier

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hborre ( ) posted Fri, 10 December 2021 at 7:04 PM

Yep, experienced that also.  It is very annoying.  I have Structure's Node Tidier installed, it looks like I'll need to rely on it more often to organize the nodes in the Material Room.


RAMWorks ( ) posted Mon, 10 January 2022 at 10:54 AM

YUP, hate that bug with a passion!  

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VedaDalsette ( ) posted Wed, 12 January 2022 at 1:28 PM

I didn't realize I had this script already! Thanks. Gotta start using it.



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SamTherapy ( ) posted Thu, 13 January 2022 at 4:00 PM

Is there a version for P11?

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Miss B ( ) posted Thu, 13 January 2022 at 5:55 PM

There was Sam, as I've been using it with Poser11.  I don't know for sure, but I've been wondering if the current version is just an "update", and not a totally new script.

Since I don't use P12 regularly . . . yet . . . I haven't had a need to try it out to see if it's totally different coding than the original version I've been using for quite a while.

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SamTherapy ( ) posted Fri, 14 January 2022 at 1:33 PM

If it's a script to work with P12, I don't think it will work with previous versions of Poser.  I could try, I guess.

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ghostship2 ( ) posted Mon, 17 January 2022 at 5:27 PM

Ken1171_Designs also has a Python tool that will clean up nodes. It's here in the marketplace.

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hborre ( ) posted Mon, 17 January 2022 at 7:08 PM

From what I understand, Ken1171_Designs products require internet connections which might put off some individuals from investing.


bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 7:52 AM

This is one of the issues that completely turned me off from using Poser. 

The bigger question is this: why does such a seriously annoying bug get no attention from the development team? I believe the answer is because they do not use the product and have no idea how painful this is.

In my work, yesterday the product management team was asking for a bunch of changes in the software to help expose the cause of various problems (in a product of another company that we bought). I pointed out that the software can't get better until the developers stop isolating themselves from the user experience.

We're now (today) forcing the developers to install and use the product. I expect that lots of extremely annoying things will suddenly get the attention they deserve.


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RAMWorks ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 8:54 AM

WOW, some don't even have Poser installed on their own systems?  That's insane to me.  

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RedPhantom ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 9:41 AM
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I"m curious what you all mean about nodes moving. I use Poser all the time and am constantly in the material room. The only node that I see moving is the external output node when using the compound node. That can get annoying, but with as few shaders as use the compound node, it doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal as what you all are talking about. So I wonder if there's something else that's going on that only happens to some people.


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bagginsbill ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 10:46 AM

RAMWorks posted at 8:54 AM Wed, 19 January 2022 - #4433483

WOW, some don't even have Poser installed on their own systems?  That's insane to me.  

I didn't say that nor do I know whether they use it or not. I just think they don't use all of it or they'd notice and fix the material room. Blender makes it look lame.


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Cage ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 10:53 AM

I used to call it "node drift", back in Poser 5 days, RedPhantom.  Err... assuming it is still the same phenomenon.  Nodes attached to the root would gradually move up and to the right, with repeated saves of the file.  I think eventually that manifestation was reined in, but I've been seeing a rightward drift with complex materials in Poser Pro 2014, largely when I have scrolled to the right to make some modification.  I've always used an inverted selection to drag the affected nodes back into place.  Or a script.

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primorge ( ) posted Wed, 19 January 2022 at 11:24 AM

This is just my experience but I've found that if I have a neat set up that I don't want drifting around after multiple saves (or even sometimes just exiting the material room or switching materials) If I save an mt5 of the setup and reapply it seems to make the arrangement "stick". Unfortunately this doesn't seem to work for material collection files.

For scripts I use an align nodes and a Root Default pos value script that ADP made for me as a python request.


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