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Subject: A feature of Poser rotation angles.


Anthony Appleyard ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2021 at 11:32 AM · edited Tue, 30 November 2021 at 2:07 AM

The method of posing a joint by rotating in x and y and z, that is used in Poser, is called Euler angles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler_angles . It can be proved that if at a joint the rotations are (say) p q r, then, if I add or subtract 180deg to/from all the 3 angles, and then I change the sign of the angle which is in the middle in rotation order, then the positions of the parts linked by the joint stay the same. (But the effects of joint blending will likely change.)



primorge ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2021 at 12:01 PM

Can you explain what practical application this might have for a Poser user or content creator? Or is it simply an observation?


JimTS ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2021 at 2:11 PM
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off axis rigging angles? like the front forks/wheel of a bike scoot etc?

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primorge ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2021 at 4:02 PM

JimTS posted at 2:11 PM Sun, 17 October 2021 - #4429015

off axis rigging angles? like the front forks/wheel of a bike scoot etc?

Not sure. Are you?

I use the joint editor orientations for that stuff, how bout you. You did suggest a magnet for that correct?


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Anthony Appleyard ( ) posted Mon, 18 October 2021 at 12:13 AM · edited Mon, 18 October 2021 at 12:14 AM

Sometimes Poser's internal calculations on a joint's xrotate yrotate zrotate angles (e.g. in switching between IK-in and IK-off) need Poser to call inverse trig functions (arcsin etc). Inverse trig functions have multiple answers, and sometimes Poser chooses a wrong answer, and this is shown by distorted joint blending in the affected joint.  I wrote a Python script that is called on a prop or a character part, and it does this:-

(1) Add 180 deg to all the angles

(2) Change the sign of the middle angle in rotation order, as found by     ((i,j,k),(px,py,pz)) = act.Gimbal()

(3) Normalize all angles to between -180 deg and +180 deg

That has often cured distorted joint blending in my Poser posing work.



primorge ( ) posted Mon, 18 October 2021 at 8:19 PM · edited Mon, 18 October 2021 at 8:20 PM

I've seen this behavior sporadically when toggling IK. Zeroing rotations usually clears it up. Thanks for the explanation.


primorge ( ) posted Mon, 18 October 2021 at 9:47 PM

...I can see where that actually would be VERY useful, although it's been a while since I've encountered it I've had very meticulous poses basically ruined by what you talk about, or at least very tedious to fix joint by joint. Especially if you can use it on a select few joints...

Have you considered sharing your script work?


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