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Subject: Threadripper and RTX3090 with Poser


AcePyx ( ) posted Fri, 09 July 2021 at 12:30 PM · edited Sun, 19 September 2021 at 1:55 PM

Hey guys,

I was looking at buying an AMD threadripper 3960 CPU and an RTX 3090 graphics card to use with Poser. Does anyone have any technical reasons why I should not? My first AMD processor but I assume that they operate exactly like Intel, and can process all the same code? Does the 3090 work fully with Optix Superfly rendering?

Thanks in advance.


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Fri, 09 July 2021 at 2:14 PM

The RTX 30xx series won't work with Poser11, but will with Poser12. Not sure if it can really use all that threadripper has to offer though - I use a Ryzen 9 so I can't say much about that.

And yes, full Optix and all with the 3090.

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Feel free to call me Ohki!

Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.

Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 64gb ram.


AcePyx ( ) posted Fri, 09 July 2021 at 2:52 PM · edited Fri, 09 July 2021 at 2:53 PM

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 2:51PM Fri, 09 July 2021 - #4422843

The RTX 30xx series won't work with Poser11, but will with Poser12. Not sure if it can really use all that threadripper has to offer though - I use a Ryzen 9 so I can't say much about that.

And yes, full Optix and all with the 3090.

Great, thanks very much Afrodite! Yes, I have 12. Threadripper is basically 2 Rizens. It works fine with that then?


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Fri, 09 July 2021 at 3:22 PM

I think so yeah, what I mean is that I don't think Poser can use the Threadripper to its full potential. But I'm not sure.

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Feel free to call me Ohki!

Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.

Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 64gb ram.


HartyBart ( ) posted Sat, 10 July 2021 at 12:43 AM · edited Sat, 10 July 2021 at 12:43 AM

The AMD is a 24-core CPU, so you should also be able to get very fast Firefly / Sketch rendering from the CPUs alone. But if you only want to render photoreal on the GPU, then a 24-core CPU may be overkill.


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Sat, 10 July 2021 at 5:55 AM

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal", but the differences between Firefly and Superfly are similar to comparing the image quality between Toy Story 1 and Tangled.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

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Feel free to call me Ohki!

Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.

Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 64gb ram.


primorge ( ) posted Sat, 10 July 2021 at 5:28 PM

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 5:27PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422898

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal", but the differences between Firefly and Superfly are similar to comparing the image quality between Toy Story 1 and Tangled.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

Probably what Pixar's Renderman can do might be different than Poser's implementation of Cycles.


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Sat, 10 July 2021 at 6:15 PM

primorge posted at 6:15PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422929

Probably what Pixar's Renderman can do might be different than Poser's implementation of Cycles.

Was just a metaphor :) not a direct comparison

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Feel free to call me Ohki!

Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.

Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 64gb ram.


Nails60 ( ) posted Sun, 11 July 2021 at 5:36 AM

Poser 12 still seems to have the 32 thread limit for rendering, so assuming the cpu has hyper threading (or the amd equivalent) and as someone has stated 24 cores, ie total of 48 threads, a third of the threads would not be used. I don't know much about amd cpu's but if they make a 16 core, 32 thread with higher clock speeds you might get better performance in poser cpu rendering


AcePyx ( ) posted Sun, 11 July 2021 at 2:20 PM

HartyBart posted at 2:19PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422889

But if you only want to render photoreal on the GPU, then a 24-core CPU may be overkill.

Thankyou - yes, I was coming to that conclusion


AcePyx ( ) posted Sun, 11 July 2021 at 2:21 PM

primorge posted at 2:20PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422929

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 5:27PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422898

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal",

Yes thank you - point well taken, although photreal IS my objective.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

That's very much what I was hoping.


AcePyx ( ) posted Sun, 11 July 2021 at 2:24 PM

Nails60 posted at 2:22PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422954

Poser 12 still seems to have the 32 thread limit for rendering, so assuming the cpu has hyper threading (or the amd equivalent) and as someone has stated 24 cores, ie total of 48 threads, a third of the threads would not be used. I don't know much about amd cpu's but if they make a 16 core, 32 thread with higher clock speeds you might get better performance in poser cpu rendering

Ahh that's an interesting point. TBH, I can spend £500 on a computer and CPU to double my performance, or £2k to improve it by 5x with the 3090, so that's going to be my direction I go in the short term. The multithreading is just one more thing that makes me go hmmmm... Thanks for that invaluable info!


HartyBart ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 3:38 AM

Very interesting, on CPU thread limits for Poser. I took a look at Daz Studio, for comparison. Apparently Iray running on CPUs-only can use 32 cores, 64 threads. But I suspect that Poser's Firefly (even at 16 CPU cores, 32 render threads) would be about as fast to bring in a production-usable non-grainy no-speckles render. Perhaps faster.


AcePyx ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 7:24 AM

HartyBart posted at 7:22AM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423171

Very interesting, on CPU thread limits for Poser. I took a look at Daz Studio, for comparison. Apparently Iray running on CPUs-only can use 32 cores, 64 threads. But I suspect that Poser's Firefly (even at 16 CPU cores, 32 render threads) would be about as fast to bring in a production-usable non-grainy no-speckles render. Perhaps faster.

And dramatically faster on Superfly. Especially with Denoiser turned on.


ssgbryan ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 1:00 PM

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.



AcePyx ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 2:23 PM · edited Wed, 14 July 2021 at 2:23 PM

ssgbryan posted at 2:22PM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423202

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.

Lol - I have many apps open, but when I'm rendering, not so much.


Afrodite-Ohki ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 7:06 PM

ssgbryan posted at 7:05PM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423202

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.

Poser 11, Poser 12 and Blender open all at once are a common occurrence here. And sometimes Photoshop or Substance Painter on the side too.

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Feel free to call me Ohki!

Poser Pro 11 and Poser 12, Windows 10, Superfly junkie. My units are milimeters.

Persephone (the computer): AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, RTX 3070 GPU, 64gb ram.


primorge ( ) posted Wed, 14 July 2021 at 7:17 PM

Poser, Blender, photoshop, and mudbox open right now. I'm on a laptop, got me how many cores it has. Seems to be running all right. But I'm just doing some lo res sculpting and modeling.


Shadow^Mist ( ) posted Fri, 16 July 2021 at 1:30 PM

Not sure whether this is relevant to the current Threadripper, but nonetheless thought I’d toss my observations into the Marketplace of Ideas. In 2019, I bought the Threadripper 1950x processor on a PRIME X-399a motherboard with 128 GB of RAM. In Poser, I render exclusively in Firefly and wanted the 16-core configuration. My configuration has a Nvidia Titan V graphic card, which I bought for other applications. I use Nvidia’s Studio Drivers.

I render images to my iPad Pro’s resolution (2732x2048x264). Most of my images are full scenes with up to 6-7 V4/M4 clothed characters, architectural elements, and background stuff. Rendering is very fast—from seconds for a single character to a few minutes for the full scene I described. However, if the scene has extensive raytracing on leaves, trees, hair, the rendering time increased as we’d all expect.

In P11 and to a slightly lesser extent in P12, Firefly periodically crashed my system. In some instances, I’d get a message that Windows has to close Poser. Other times, Firefly would simply trigger a BSOD. Recently I discovered AMD’s Ryzen Master program, which as everyone likely knows, has a ‘creator’ mode. It appears the 1950X Threadripper default mode sets the core’s Mhz at 3700. Creator mode drops it down to 3400, which vastly stabilized my system. Ninety-seven of my Firefly renders in creative mode complete without crashing Poser. And I’ve noticed no impact to my other programs.

So, while the Threadripper’s speed increases render time, overclocking may not be the answer.



hornet3d ( ) posted Fri, 30 July 2021 at 11:20 AM

I also use the Threadipper 1950X along with a GTX 1080i which I have been using for about four years. I render at 3508 X 2480 and I have been using Superfly for the last three or so years. Poser 11 did not like the 1080i very much but it is fine with Poser 12 and that is what I use most using the Ultra Adaptive load preset. The only time I have a crash is when I send a complex scene to the GPU when the render will either fail or Poser will lock up. In these cases I switch to using the CPU which utilises all 32 threads and I have had no problems. Although I had the system professionally built with a free option to have it overclocked I decided to keep it standard.

 

 

I use Poser 12 on Windows 10 - Set up is a quiet running PC thanks mainly to a Fractal Design XL R2 case and 4 large fans,  Gigabyte AMD Aorus X399 Xtreme E-XTX Motherboard,  AMD Ryzen Threadipper 1950X CPU, Corsair Hydro H100i CPU cooler, 3XS EVGA GTX 1080i SC with 11g Ram, 4 X 16gig Corsair DDR4 Ram and a Corsair RM 100 PSU .  Storage - Samsung 500gig 970 EVO m.2, Samsung 500Gig 860 EVO SSD,  2X 2Tb Segate Barrcuda hard drives.

  


ghostship2 ( ) posted Sat, 31 July 2021 at 9:04 PM

one thing you might think about is getting a second video card just to run your monitor. When you have a dedicated video card for the monitor you can watch videos, play games or surf the internet without the render slowing down or the render bugging up your screen.

W10, Ryzen 5 1600x, 16Gb,RTX2060Super+GTX980, PP11, 11.3.740


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