This is in windows, and using the Carrara7-1beta.

I have various areas on this rather complex model that have been uvmapped and have their own textures.

The ones on the doors and cupboards are just right, but the ones on the two different floors are coming up looking weirdly stretched.

Help?

What do I need to do to correct this?

(the UV-ing was done in Wings3D - and I'm a poor student so I can't afford to buy anything to make this work, so please don't suggest that.)

(Oh and I've tried looking at the Mark Bremmer tutorials but they are obliterated by adverts, so you can't see what's happening.)

So I'm hoping that it's some simple procedure that a Carrara user would know all about and it's just that I haven't used Carrara that much and then it was only Carrara 3D Basics, along time ago...

I have been able to jigger around with the basic Wings materials that were imported with the model - jigger with them in Carrara's texture room I mean, but again this is just prodding things and hoping.  I can sort of get rid of excessive shine - I tried this out on the ceiling, and although I did manage to get rid of the shine, I seem to have got rid of it only to replace it with a sort of softer but much bigger area of white out.

Hmmm...

So the image above shows the stretching of the floor UV's and the odd soft shine on the ceiling...

Can anyone help with these two things?

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I'm not sure about the door, but your floor may be too wide for the texture map you've used. You might try clicking the "Tile" check box in the shader, and then increasing the Horizontal and Vertical sliders. Depending on the texture you're using, that may help.

Here's what the floors *should* look like:

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I tried ckecking "Tile" but that made no difference.  Is there any way to see what clicking in a box in the Texure Room does without having to go to render and wait for the entire image to get down to the floor area, just to see what effect my actions have had?

All I've got in the Texture Room is an irritating shiny sphere - on a checkerboard.

I.e. is there some sort of Open Gl preview in the Texture Room itself?

Ah!  Never mind, I've found the OpenGL Preview.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I'm not sure what options there are in the shader room, but if you click on the camera icon on the left side in the assembler room, you can drag a rectangle on your scene, and just that rectangle will be rendered. I do a lot of quick tests that way.

Usually if you are only getting a shpere, it means that the texture you are working on is not properly tied to a shading zone.  Could you send up a screen shot of your shader room screen with the shading domain for the floor problem area selected?  Then we can all see what's going on.

Okay, been trying those sliders - but they don't help.

The tick shows what the floor should look like, the cross - what it does look like - i.e. rubbish.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Could you send a screen capture of the entire Carrara screen.  Make sure to expand the shader box so we can see all of the settings and select the top shader from the menu tree.  Also, are you using any displacement?

Quote - Okay, been trying those sliders - but they don't help.

The tick shows what the floor should look like, the cross - what it does look like - i.e. rubbish.

It kinda looks like the floor is only using a part of the UV map... can you export the texture map from Wings so we can see what part of the texture map the floor is using?

CaptainJack, tried the test render on a selected area as you suggested, all it shows is the same rubbishy thing that I get in the open GL preview in the Texture Room.

Sparrownightmare,

See above.  (Except that I don't seem to have a shader room, just a texture room, with shaders in it... probably the same thing though. ggg)

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Have you tried tweaking the UV map in the Carrara UV editor?

Export the texture map from Wings?

Er... I've got the kitchenfloor_auv.bmp saved outside of wings already, no need to export it again.

This is what it looks like: (see above)

Er, can't post the actual BMP so this is a jpeg screen shot of it:

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Hmm.. I can't tell from that whether it's using the whole map or not. Try this... Select the floor in the Assembly Room, go to the Modeling Room, and click on the UV Mapping Mode in the upper right corner. What I'm ***thinking*** we should see is, in the UV map on the right hand side, that the map isn't going corner to corner the way your texture image is (like in my sample image here), and that's what may be causing the problem.

Both floors show up correctly in Cinema4D with no adjustment necessary other than connecting the Texture map images to the colour channel.

(I didn't connect up diffuse or bump or anything like that in C4D, as I just wanted to check the positioning of the texture in the UVMap.)

So how do I do it in Carrara?

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

That's what I was thinking.  That's why I asked if the UV mapping had been tweaked in the Carrara UV Editor. :)

CaptainJack, Okay, here's a screen shot of what I see in that UVEditing window:

sparrownightmare,
I'm just a bit puzzled as to why it should need tweaking in Carrara's UV Editing, when it works right off the block in Cinema4D & Bryce.

Shrug,

but what the heck - I'm willing to learn.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I hope you can tell if it is, (or isn't) going corner to corner, or not, cos so far that UVEditing area in Carrara, means absolutely nothing to me...

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Okay, there is something a little bit off, although it wasn't what I was thinking it was. The four vertices of the plane object should be matching up with the four corners of the UV grid, so that the UV map covers the same area as the Texture map (tile picture. The vertex at the top right isn't in the corner, and I can't see the vertex in the top left at all. They should be on the grid, just like the two at the bottom. Can you move them in the UV editor?

I've taken a screen shot of the living room floor in that UVEditing area as well, here it is:

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Quote - Both floors show up correctly in Cinema4D with no adjustment necessary other than connecting the Texture map images to the colour channel.

I don't know C4D, but it may not have been using the UV's. Some programs can do simpler kinds of texture mapping, where they map the surface mathematically, rather than use UV coordinates. That may be how C4D did it, and why it works there, but not in Carrara. I don't think Carrara can do a texture map in any way other than using UV coordinates.

Quote - I've taken a screen shot of the living room floor in that UVEditing area as well, here it is:

Yeah, that one's way off... for a nice simple four vertex plane like you've got, the vertices should probably go corner to corner, to match your floor's texture image.

Um...

I managed to move the one at the top right, but no idea where the one at the top left is even... plus as you see when I moved the vert at the topright, it revealed something going on underneath...

(the red verts and edge)

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Quote - > Quote - I've taken a screen shot of the living room floor in that UVEditing area as well, here it is:

Yeah, that one's way off... for a nice simple four vertex plane like you've got, the vertices should probably go corner to corner, to match your floor's texture image.

Well I tried moving those over, and although that did make a difference to the image in the render... I don't think  it was an improvment, worse in fact.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I'm note sure what to do here... unfortunately, I'm a complete novice with the UV editor in Carrara (I've been doing all my UV mapping in Wings, too).

One thing to try at this point would be to delete the floor from the scene, insert a plane, then map your texture on it. The plane is already oriented correctly when it imports. If you need to keep what you have, it looks like the UV map will need to be re-done, I'm afraid.

I've been trying to move verts in the Kitchen floor, but everything I move either has no effect or makes it worse. Like I can move this red vert, from the upper right, but where do I move it to?

(I won't be able to do much of this for long as the text in Carrara is so damn small it's giving me a severe headache.

Is there anyway to enlarge the fonts in Carrara?)

I tried moving the vert in the bottom left, and this happened:

it's just so weird!  (there were 4 red verts selected in the left hand window even though I only selected one in the righthand window... ?????)

And moving it/them or not moving it/them made no difference to the pattern on the floor - still wrong.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

What puzzles me is that the maps look just fine in other programs.

Could it be a CarraraBug do you think?

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Okay, I don't know enough about what I'm doing to understand all the possibilities, but I found something that might help. I made a box in Wings, and I UV mapped it so that the sides and bottom were outside the grid, and the top went corner to corner. I imported it into Carrara (with the check box for "Assume UV's in range 0 to 1 off), and mapped a copy of your kitchen floor image onto it. I got a duplicate of your results.

I went in to the Model Room, selected the entire object, and clicked the UV map mode. I changed the mapping to "Box Face" and just for fun, clicked "Top". That rendered correctly.

When I first looked at the custom UV's, they didn't match the UV layout I had in Wings.

I have no idea of this is a Carrara problem, a Wings problem, or a problem with my inexperience, but I strongly suspect the latter.

I suppose it could be because I simply only UVMapped the area of the floor object that needed to be seen, that is the top of the cube I used to create the floor. (as you thought)

But why that would mean the UVMaps for this object work in other programs but not in Carrara, is not clear.

Does that mean that if you want to create seperate UVmaps for certain areas on a model, you just can't do that for a model intended for Carrara?

Odd if so.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

I dunno... I'm willing to bet there's a piece of the puzzle missing here, rather than a program problem. I've imported tons of Poser content into Carrara, and I've never had a UV problem. And, I've never had a UV problem going from Wings to Poser or POV-Ray, so I don't think it's Wings, either.

Gonna go spend some more time with the ol' manual, and try to figger this one out.

I got word over at DAZ that Carrara does indeed change the UV map on import, but I haven't yet found out why, how to stop it, how to control it, or to what extent it happens. I'm guessing it has something to do with the OBJ format importer plug in. I'll keep on lookin'.

I've recently found that exporting from Wings3d as a .3ds format preserves the hard edges and the UV Maps come in better when Importing into Cinema4D - I wonder if that also applies to importing to Carrara?

However I now no longer have the 7.1 Beta, so I'll have to start all over again anyway and import into my Carrara Pro 5 instead.

I'll try the .3ds format this time, see if it makes a difference.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Excellent... I'll try that with 7.1, and see what it does.

I'll tell you what it does to Wings - it crashes it!
:ohmy:  :m_fit:

Previously I had only exported the sink units as .3ds, trying to export the whole flat, killed Wings3D!

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Wings appears to be a might delicate, as my daddy was wont to say. I remember trying to do a car in Wings, I had to keep hiding stuff, exporting in pieces, all kinds of things.

Yeah but I didn't think our flat was that big!

Of course, I am rendering in Bryce at the same time... oops.

Better let Bryce finish first I think.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

First attempt to export the entire thing as .3ds, when I imported I got only some of the models, no floor, walls, or kitchen units, in fact those were all items that had been UVMapped.

However, the floor mats and books were also UVMapped and those arrived alright, the sink was not UVMapped and that did NOT arrive.

Weird.

I tried twice, letting wings have about half an hour to export while I went and did the laundry, but it's no better.

I think the only option might be to export items singly.

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Fran's Freestuff

http://franontheedge.blogspot.com/

http://www.FranOnTheEdge.com

Found something that worked for OBJ files, but it's not what I'd call completely convenient. When importing, click on the option to import as "Facet Meshes" instead of as "Vertex Primitives". After the OBJ is imported, select it and go into the model room, and convert it to the vertex modeler. The UV map that was in the OBJ file will be intact. However, the mesh will be triangulated, so you will probably want to un-triangulate it from the menu in the model room.

I can duplicate reliably the UV map being distorted with selected OBJ meshes, and this does get around that. I haven't tried more complex models, say with multiple groups, but then, it seems to keep the UV map on more complex meshes, so it may not be a big problem over all.