I was doing great in not responding to all the rants about V4 until I caught one small quote from Tiari,  "She should have been complete and in a package from the get go."  when she/he was refering to the usabilty of V4.  Please tell me what figure released for use in Poser came out with everything from the get go?  Everyone's, including mine, beloved Vicky 3?  Not even close.  Aiko?  Nope she went through several itinerations to get where she is today.  Stephanie, fa get about it.  Any of the CL/EF figures, don't make me puke.  Most of these rants, if translated into diferent products would go something like this.  I just bought my new Ford Mustang but I hate it.  The stereo doesn't have the pull out push in radio knobs so I can memorize my favorite stations like I can in my 72 Impala.  The car doesn't have window handles that I can use to roll down, I have to figure out when to release the switch so I can get just the right amount of air in.  Guess what people, V4 is a completely new product.  If you spent as much time bitching about her as you did working with her, you would be surprised at the results you can achieve.  Is she perfect, not by a long shot.  Is she as horrible as all of these make art button people play her out to be, not even by a longer shot.  When V4 gets achieves the longevity that V3 has and she still isn't workable, then bitch.  Until then, give those that create the wonderful products you see here and other sites a chance to create some more of the great things they make.